I don’t think there’s a need to argue about this.
But keep in mind that these were thought up by Vince Gironda like 50-60 years ago, which is a shit load of time. Just until very recently science is providing proof for what he preached. Amazing.
And I really appreciate Thibaudeu’s references to him throughout his articles.
Gironda is helping me stay natural, and hope it’ll do so forever(compliments to Smartbulldog’s last post)
[quote]MurrDawg wrote:
This is a list made up by Vince Gironda (obvioulsy made up a while back) of what he thinks are the 35 top bodybuilding mistakes… What do you guys think?
Vince Gironda can suck it for all I care.
I workout and do what gives me good results. I don’t follow someone’s little black book of “bodybuildings dos and don’ts”. Most people who are that anal just never grow.
For example,I workout for an hour,no more than 120 minutes.
This has never kept me from growing.
I mix carbohydrates and protein,that has never kept me from growing.
I do leg extensions after squats,so what.
And guess what else? I WORK MY CALFS?
Call the cult on me.
Personally, I can’t train like Vince. I need to do heavy (for me) squats and bench-presses to get bigger. However, I trained like Vince for about a year, and my delts, pecs and waist never looked better.
If I wanted to be 185 with low BF, then I’d probably still train like Vince. Whatever people say, he was way way ahead of his time. I also think his physique looked pretty damn impressive, especially since he was drug-free.
Do the big juiceheads ever cease going on the attack when the wisdom runs contrary to their preferred methods?
And for gods sake…do NOT cite pro strongman methods of training as they eat tons of steroids and steroids invalidate most rules of the NATURAL lifter…which is what gironda was all about.
More foolishness from the ‘big guys’. It’s always the ‘big guys’, or the ones who think they are the ‘big guys’, who are quick to jump to the defense of sloppy methods, cheating, bounce reps, and the whole host of garbage training that makes them think they are really strong when they bounce that bar off their chest on the bench and the plates rattle. That means you’re BIG.
Ok, idiocy aside, anybody who has even tried once the to-the-neck bench press knows the FAR superior development it results in , as opposed to regular bench press. There is no comparison, even with this pinching the shoulder blades together shit. Please.
Gironda DID have a great and super defined physique that not one of the big mouth non-roided out clowns here does. So what, he wasn’t 230lbs, big deal. He’d have smoked you on stage. Your physique is largely responsible for a lot of his innovations in the first place, not the other way around. If you are calling that man skinny, you’re probably a shapeless blocky no neck moron with a thick waist and no definition- congrats.
Modern BB is a joke, modern BB physiques are a joke…nothing but drug-created messes who finish out their pro careers with double kidney replacement or liver transplants. But I see that’s really what you guys are all about anyway, so keep thinking you know more than gironda but realize that off your drugs you aint shit. =)
I definitely like the under 45 min thing since natural test levels drop on longer workouts.
[quote]USNS physique wrote:
Do the big juiceheads ever cease going on the attack when the wisdom runs contrary to their preferred methods?
And for gods sake…do NOT cite pro strongman methods of training as they eat tons of steroids and steroids invalidate most rules of the NATURAL lifter…which is what gironda was all about.
More foolishness from the ‘big guys’. It’s always the ‘big guys’, or the ones who think they are the ‘big guys’, who are quick to jump to the defense of sloppy methods, cheating, bounce reps, and the whole host of garbage training that makes them think they are really strong when they bounce that bar off their chest on the bench and the plates rattle. That means you’re BIG.
Ok, idiocy aside, anybody who has even tried once the to-the-neck bench press knows the FAR superior development it results in , as opposed to regular bench press. There is no comparison, even with this pinching the shoulder blades together shit. Please.
Gironda DID have a great and super defined physique that not one of the big mouth non-roided out clowns here does. So what, he wasn’t 230lbs, big deal. He’d have smoked you on stage. Your physique is largely responsible for a lot of his innovations in the first place, not the other way around. If you are calling that man skinny, you’re probably a shapeless blocky no neck moron with a thick waist and no definition- congrats.
Modern BB is a joke, modern BB physiques are a joke…nothing but drug-created messes who finish out their pro careers with double kidney replacement or liver transplants. But I see that’s really what you guys are all about anyway, so keep thinking you know more than gironda but realize that off your drugs you aint shit. =)[/quote]
It sounds like you got roid rage. Chill out
[quote]USNS physique wrote:
Do the big juiceheads ever cease going on the attack when the wisdom runs contrary to their preferred methods?
And for gods sake…do NOT cite pro strongman methods of training as they eat tons of steroids and steroids invalidate most rules of the NATURAL lifter…which is what gironda was all about.
More foolishness from the ‘big guys’. It’s always the ‘big guys’, or the ones who think they are the ‘big guys’, who are quick to jump to the defense of sloppy methods, cheating, bounce reps, and the whole host of garbage training that makes them think they are really strong when they bounce that bar off their chest on the bench and the plates rattle. That means you’re BIG.
Ok, idiocy aside, anybody who has even tried once the to-the-neck bench press knows the FAR superior development it results in , as opposed to regular bench press. There is no comparison, even with this pinching the shoulder blades together shit. Please.
Gironda DID have a great and super defined physique that not one of the big mouth non-roided out clowns here does. So what, he wasn’t 230lbs, big deal. He’d have smoked you on stage. Your physique is largely responsible for a lot of his innovations in the first place, not the other way around. If you are calling that man skinny, you’re probably a shapeless blocky no neck moron with a thick waist and no definition- congrats.
Modern BB is a joke, modern BB physiques are a joke…nothing but drug-created messes who finish out their pro careers with double kidney replacement or liver transplants. But I see that’s really what you guys are all about anyway, so keep thinking you know more than gironda but realize that off your drugs you aint shit. =)[/quote]
Psychoanalytical Translation:
“If I had the ability to build big arms, I wouldn’t have this gigantic stick up my ass about everyone who is bigger than me and who doesn’t acknowledge my superiority in the gym due to how perfect my reps are.”
Ebonics Translation:
“Damn, my nizzle…and why they make condoms so damn big, yo.”
This site is a strange place sometimes
what about we have a rule that you have to post a pic of yourself demonstrating a better physique than Vince before you are allowed to criticise his methods…
Gironda was ahead of his time.
But
Gironda is behind our time
So don’t take his sayings as gospel. Also, he was training for a completely different kind of physique, a very natural, skinny legged V taper appearance.
A few of his trainees went on to be legends at the time. A time when there were few people doing it. And those guys were probably the genetic best of the population. And steroids were being used, just starting out. And most other people were training like idiots.
He worked out some good stuff. But if you spend your lifetime doing something all day every day it shouldn’t be too hard to work out that elbows out = pecs elbows in = triceps, and that a steak is good for muscle.
Nevertheless he has some good points but like I said, don’t take his word as gospel, but also, check out his stuff it is worthwhile.
Why would anyone respond to this old thread. the guy who restarted this is an idiot your rebuttals are in waste people stopped talking about this a long time ago
Can someone explain to me why people periodically bump up 8 month+ plus old threads and start spewing off horeshit?
Is there nothing current you wish to argue about?
Let’s go back to the 1400s and argue whether the earth is round or flat again.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
Why would anyone respond to this old thread. the guy who restarted this is an idiot your rebuttals are in waste people stopped talking about this a long time ago[/quote]
yeah I thought that after I replied … see I got an email notice that someone had responded and I jumped straight to the end without realising how old it was. Then I thought, man haven’t we been through this before…
But hey, THAT IS T-Nation. AGain and again the same old shite: lift weights, eat more. Around in circles with the same stupid arguments with new people - or worse, the SAME people - asking the same basic questions ad infinitum
instead of reading the articles
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
Let’s go back to the 1400s and argue whether the earth is round or flat again.[/quote]
lol
[quote]legend wrote:
This site is a strange place sometimes
what about we have a rule that you have to post a pic of yourself demonstrating a better physique than Vince before you are allowed to criticise his methods…
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I agree, and on a similiar note, i don’t think a physique like Vince’s is a bad goal either, hell it’s my first goal that I want to attain look-wise.
[quote]Magarhe wrote:
Gironda was ahead of his time.
But
Gironda is behind our time
[/quote]
Exactly. This phrase alone should end the thread and shut up all the retards trying to attach ‘great’ or ‘guru’ to the man. I have seen at least 30 guys in the gym I train who are leaner and bigger than Gironda without steroids or his ‘methods’.
The biggest problem I have with his methods is with his neck press. I have never felt so much bad stress on my shoulders from trainning. That might just be due to my own unique ROM though.