Too Muscular for Spec Ops?

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Oh…my apologies California Law, I didn’t realize I had to state my qualifications and clear them through you before I posted.
So, for the record, I served in the Army from 1991 to 1998 as an MP. Made E-5 after 3 yrs and went to MPI school. Served in Korea (557th MP Co.) and Fort Hood (multiple units).

Worked as the point man on a MP Special Reaction Team while in Korea, and while there, went to a hostage rescue school which was taught by the 1st Battalion, 1SFG(A) out of Okinawa.
I am now a police officer in a large city in Texas, and have been since 1998.

PM me if you want, and i’ll even send you documentation and a nice pic since I have to prove my life experience to you.

Believe it or not, you ARE NOT the only police officer on this board, you ARE NOT the only person who has had any life experience in the military, and you ARE NOT the only person on this board who has ever spoken to, or worked around, Spec Ops personnel. You are also not the only person entitled to an opinion around here, and let me assure you, my life experience is NO LESS VALID than yours.

What you ARE is a piss poor representation of our profession, and an embarrassment to anyone who wears a badge. Furthermore, if you were in fact in OCS and became a commissioned officer, then that would go a long way towards explaining why you are such an arrogant prick.

And don’t send me any crap about being an MP or anything else…trust me, the dumbest enlisted MP I ever met was 10 x smarter than any 2LT I ever met, of any MOS.
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Hey, why do you have to turn this into an Officer vs. Enlisted thing? I’m going to be commissioned as an officer and that huwts my feewings.

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[quote]W8 LOGIC wrote:
Thanks guys for all your input and advice. I do feel that I am there physically, so all I have to worry about is the mental part. I guess the instructors are starting their harrassment a little early. Im just gonna brush it off and keep my mouth shut.[/quote]

Sounds like a plan. Good luck and kick some ass.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
W8 LOGIC wrote:
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look at GSP he looks a lot bigger than he weighs.

Your similarity to GSP didn’t go unnoticed:

1- I wouldn’t confuse GSP for a bodybuilder. I think he looks appropriate for the weight he’s listed at. Maybe it’s a top down view vs. bottom up, but I don’t think so.

2- Given the above GSP trains for fights, gets paid to do it, and is very good at it. What are you training for again? I doubt GSP claims to be a bodybuilder.[/quote]

Remember GSP is probably heavier than his fighting weight. Most guys cut water to make weight and then rehydrate for the fight so they can be 10 or more pounds heavier than they are listed.

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[quote]jmarshburn wrote:
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I have been in “Spec Ops” (which is a singularly gay term IMHO, but a term that everyone seems to use… sadly I don’t have any witty alternative) …[/quote]

Special Olympics was taken.

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[quote]jmarshburn wrote:
There is no such thing as too muscular for special ops. Your numbers sound pretty incredible, I’m not going to say that you are FOS, but 4-7% BF!? Unlikely, but who knows… as someone else said, post a pic to shut everyone up.

I have been in “Spec Ops” (which is a singularly gay term IMHO, but a term that everyone seems to use… sadly I don’t have any witty alternative) for nearly 15 years, and I have seen all body types, but almost no one with low BF% like that. Stop being a BB and start being an EOD guy… that is way cooler anyway. Spec Ops is a lifestyle, not a job or career.

Also remember that your instructors are bitter that they are instructors. Most (not all) instructors of special operations are guys that are not ‘operational’ for one reason or another.

Oh, and before anyone bitches… I am an 18C (Special Forces Engineer) who has been on an A-Team (ODA) for almost 13 years. Flame On.[/quote]

I think this post ends the debate and certainly is better advice than any of us (everyone else) could offer. Stay safe bro.

I can’t resist asking though, how are Hannibal, BA, Face-man and Murdoch? Best A-Team ever.

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[quote]JustDrag wrote:
The weakest BJJ in the world could beat any 10 pro boxers at the same time…
trust me… not so fast
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Dude… human was being sarcastic.

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[quote]HOV wrote:
JustDrag wrote:
The weakest BJJ in the world could beat any 10 pro boxers at the same time…
trust me… not so fast

Dude… human was being sarcastic.

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Everyone knows the BJJ guy could only beat the pro boxers 5 at a time because he is only human.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

Remember GSP is probably heavier than his fighting weight. Most guys cut water to make weight and then rehydrate for the fight so they can be 10 or more pounds heavier than they are listed. [/quote]

I can definitely believe it for many, many fighters. But has anyone seen any ‘dried out’ weigh in pics of GSP? I’ve only seen him at his ‘normal weight’ and that is presumably his biggest. I’d be interested to know what the actual difference is.

Even then, Mark Kerr, the Bros. Shamrock, Jeff Monson, these guys I’d say have “bodybuilder” physiques. Even guys like Ortiz, Couture, and Rutten, are pretty close. This guy is at average height and weight for a guy around his mid-20s. I can’t believe people are defending his ‘bodybuilder’ claim.

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The best tip for getting thru tough military training is to focus on the task you are doing and complete it period.

Don’t think about what’s next. How many days or weeks you have to go etc. Just think about completing the task you are doing. When you get a new one then focus on that.

Eventually your done, the training phase is complete and you made it.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Remember GSP is probably heavier than his fighting weight. Most guys cut water to make weight and then rehydrate for the fight so they can be 10 or more pounds heavier than they are listed.

I can definitely believe it for many, many fighters. But has anyone seen any ‘dried out’ weigh in pics of GSP? I’ve only seen him at his ‘normal weight’ and that is presumably his biggest. I’d be interested to know what the actual difference is.

Even then, Mark Kerr, the Bros. Shamrock, Jeff Monson, these guys I’d say have “bodybuilder” physiques. Even guys like Ortiz, Couture, and Rutten, are pretty close. This guy is at average height and weight for a guy around his mid-20s. I can’t believe people are defending his ‘bodybuilder’ claim.[/quote]

I do not see GSP as having a bodybuilder type physique either.

Lean and athletic, yes but not a bodybuilder.

The term means different things to different people but based on the stats given I have a hard time picturing the OP as a bb type physique.

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[quote]jmarshburn wrote:
There is no such thing as too muscular for special ops. Your numbers sound pretty incredible, I’m not going to say that you are FOS, but 4-7% BF!? Unlikely, but who knows… as someone else said, post a pic to shut everyone up.

I have been in “Spec Ops” (which is a singularly gay term IMHO, but a term that everyone seems to use… sadly I don’t have any witty alternative) for nearly 15 years, and I have seen all body types, but almost no one with low BF% like that. Stop being a BB and start being an EOD guy… that is way cooler anyway. Spec Ops is a lifestyle, not a job or career.

Also remember that your instructors are bitter that they are instructors. Most (not all) instructors of special operations are guys that are not ‘operational’ for one reason or another.

Oh, and before anyone bitches… I am an 18C (Special Forces Engineer) who has been on an A-Team (ODA) for almost 13 years. Flame On.[/quote]

Well that should about take care of this crap. Stay safe man!

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To the OP, avoiding all this pissing and moaning…

Like some of the guys have said, they’re probably just messing with you. However, your run time is really slow. My little sister is faster at a mile and a half. Do some 400m and 800m intervals to drop a minute or so off your time, and then you’re in business.

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I could be wrong, but I think the run is in long pants and combat boots. Sure, could be faster, I just want to make sure everyone slagging his run understands that. (…and is done after a 500m swim, 2 mins pushups, situps, and pullups, with max. 10 minutes rest between the pullups and the run…)

…still, drop a minute.

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[quote]jmarshburn wrote:
There is no such thing as too muscular for special ops. Your numbers sound pretty incredible, I’m not going to say that you are FOS, but 4-7% BF!? Unlikely, but who knows… as someone else said, post a pic to shut everyone up.

I have been in “Spec Ops” (which is a singularly gay term IMHO, but a term that everyone seems to use… sadly I don’t have any witty alternative) for nearly 15 years, and I have seen all body types, but almost no one with low BF% like that. Stop being a BB and start being an EOD guy… that is way cooler anyway. Spec Ops is a lifestyle, not a job or career.

Also remember that your instructors are bitter that they are instructors. Most (not all) instructors of special operations are guys that are not ‘operational’ for one reason or another.

Oh, and before anyone bitches… I am an 18C (Special Forces Engineer) who has been on an A-Team (ODA) for almost 13 years. Flame On.[/quote]

This post says it all and I agree that your BF% is way to low. In any cold environment, one of the fun things they like to use to try to break you mentally in training, you are going to have major issues.

Next what about those long forced marches and other prolonged physical tests I remember with only water and if you are lucky a MRE at the end of the day. You have very limited reserves at this BF%.

The thing I would like to ask is what have you done to bring attention to yourself to become a constant target. Instructors pick on everyone in my experience. They single out someone for 1 of 2 reasons.

1 - They have done something to bring attention to themselves. They are not team players or they are too arrogant/cocky or show-offs too concerned about themselves and not the community/team they are a part of. Spec Ops is a team environment. Team is more important here than anywhere else in life. Without the team mentality and commitment someone can be killed.

I was in the army and we ran 2 mile tests. The best 2 miles my team ever ran was one of our worst times. We had a team of 5 and 1 twisted his ankle pretty bad. He still made a passing time because the remaining team members carried him the rest of the way. I would suggest that you focus less on individual success and more on your community’s success or goals.

2 - The first time they harassed them they appeared sensitive. In Spec Ops this is seen as a sign of mental weakness. It will definitely make you a target and your reactions make it more fun and they will harass you even more. Any outwardly shown sensitivity to something this simple means you are more vulnerable to crack or break under extreme pressure when you are depended on the most.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
BH6 wrote:
If you are working out with the instructors for the course, then I would take their advice. If you want to be an EOD guy, then train like an EOD guy. You can always pick up bodybuilding again after you complete the training.

Agreed, at 5’10" and 172#, focus on EOD training.[/quote]

I wouldn’t worry about it as long as your stamina/endurance is good. My stats are similar to yours and I went through Marine B.C. and combat training years ago with ease. 172 is not a lot of weight…I guarantee you, if you ask the intructors how much you weigh, they would probably say 200. So they fact that they don’t know your true weight causes me to question their judgement a little…

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[quote]jmarshburn wrote:
There is no such thing as too muscular for special ops. Your numbers sound pretty incredible, I’m not going to say that you are FOS, but 4-7% BF!? Unlikely, but who knows… as someone else said, post a pic to shut everyone up.

I have been in “Spec Ops” (which is a singularly gay term IMHO, but a term that everyone seems to use… sadly I don’t have any witty alternative) for nearly 15 years, and I have seen all body types, but almost no one with low BF% like that. Stop being a BB and start being an EOD guy… that is way cooler anyway. Spec Ops is a lifestyle, not a job or career.

Also remember that your instructors are bitter that they are instructors. Most (not all) instructors of special operations are guys that are not ‘operational’ for one reason or another.

Oh, and before anyone bitches… I am an 18C (Special Forces Engineer) who has been on an A-Team (ODA) for almost 13 years. Flame On.[/quote]

Thanks man, its great to get a professional opinion by someone who knows how the Special Operations community works. I have a friend going 18X and is in selection right now.

As far as my BF% goes, the highest I had was 8% and I was training for a BB contest at 187 pounds. So I have been slightly larger than I am now. I eat very clean on the week days and eat large amounts on the weekends. I just dont want to gain too much fat.

The low BF% i have now is probably due to my clean diet, cardio, and the experimental HOT-ROX I did a couple months ago. I dont have a current pic right now. All I have is my BB contest pic two years ago at 156pounds. i will post one soon.

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[quote]doiron wrote:
I could be wrong, but I think the run is in long pants and combat boots. Sure, could be faster, I just want to make sure everyone slagging his run understands that. (…and is done after a 500m swim, 2 mins pushups, situps, and pullups, with max. 10 minutes rest between the pullups and the run…)

…still, drop a minute.[/quote]

The PST run is in long pants and boots, but the EOD/DIVE is in PT shorts and running shoes. I am working on my running by doing more sprints. Thanks for clearing that up to people.

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
What do they say about your chicken legs?

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And how big are yours,Mr.Big Thigh?

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[quote]TCMbuna wrote:
jmarshburn wrote:
There is no such thing as too muscular for special ops. Your numbers sound pretty incredible, I’m not going to say that you are FOS, but 4-7% BF!? Unlikely, but who knows… as someone else said, post a pic to shut everyone up.

I have been in “Spec Ops” (which is a singularly gay term IMHO, but a term that everyone seems to use… sadly I don’t have any witty alternative) for nearly 15 years, and I have seen all body types, but almost no one with low BF% like that. Stop being a BB and start being an EOD guy… that is way cooler anyway. Spec Ops is a lifestyle, not a job or career.

Also remember that your instructors are bitter that they are instructors. Most (not all) instructors of special operations are guys that are not ‘operational’ for one reason or another.

Oh, and before anyone bitches… I am an 18C (Special Forces Engineer) who has been on an A-Team (ODA) for almost 13 years. Flame On.

This post says it all and I agree that your BF% is way to low. In any cold environment, one of the fun things they like to use to try to break you mentally in training, you are going to have major issues.

Next what about those long forced marches and other prolonged physical tests I remember with only water and if you are lucky a MRE at the end of the day. You have very limited reserves at this BF%.

The thing I would like to ask is what have you done to bring attention to yourself to become a constant target. Instructors pick on everyone in my experience. They single out someone for 1 of 2 reasons.

1 - They have done something to bring attention to themselves. They are not team players or they are too arrogant/cocky or show-offs too concerned about themselves and not the community/team they are a part of. Spec Ops is a team environment. Team is more important here than anywhere else in life. Without the team mentality and commitment someone can be killed.

I was in the army and we ran 2 mile tests. The best 2 miles my team ever ran was one of our worst times. We had a team of 5 and 1 twisted his ankle pretty bad. He still made a passing time because the remaining team members carried him the rest of the way. I would suggest that you focus less on individual success and more on your community’s success or goals.

2 - The first time they harassed them they appeared sensitive. In Spec Ops this is seen as a sign of mental weakness. It will definitely make you a target and your reactions make it more fun and they will harass you even more. Any outwardly shown sensitivity to something this simple means you are more vulnerable to crack or break under extreme pressure when you are depended on the most.
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I hear what you saying man. Like I said earlier my BF% has always been low. I have been constantly involved in sports and plagued with an extremely fast metabolism. I only got up to 8% at 187pounds…damn I loved being at that weight. Is 187 pounds considered a BB? (for all u haters out there)

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[quote]W8 LOGIC wrote:

I hear what you saying man. Like I said earlier my BF% has always been low. I have been constantly involved in sports and plagued with an extremely fast metabolism.[/quote]

Then why the fuck are you doing PT, lifting weights, living off MREs and taking HOT-ROX? You’re just like every 14 yr. old skinny-fat MF who posts on this board wanting to know how to get hyooge ‘without losing my six pack’. The only difference is you managed to work SpecOps into your question

. Next thing you know, you’ll be telling us how living on MREs at 175#, you’ve maxed out your genetic potential and you’re thinking of turning to steroids. Oh wait, you used steroids to get to where you are now!

1st- As CaliLaw said, for a SpecOps guy, you sure care a lot about what other people think.

2nd- As you said, It’s just a number. 185# is fine for a guy who’s 5’5". My brother is 6’1" and prefers to stay at a lean 190# because he doesn’t have to workout often to stay there. If you want to be hyooge, get there. If you want to be SpecOps, do that and realize that you’ll likely have to choose between the two.

3rd- IMO, at 5’10" I can’t see you weighing <200-210# at </= 10% BF and being considered a “bodybuilder”. Your stats right now put you in the 50th percentile for both height and weight. I have trouble considering someone taller and weighing less than half the people on the street a big guy, esp. if they’ve used gear.

The more I read/hear/think about your situation, the less I believe you. Given that you now weigh 175# and 3 yrs. ago you were injecting test enanthate without knowing the difference between a milliliter and a cubic centimeter, I’m inclined to think that you’re completely hopeless or u r full of shit.