Too Fast Of A Metabolism?

Nutrition
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[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
CU AeroStallion wrote:
perhaps you’re not giving your body a reason to maintain more muscle mass. This can come in more ways than just not eating enough. maybe your workouts suck. maybe you have a lot of stress in your life. maybe you just do too much shit and are too active to support more weight on your frame. maybe you don’t absorb the nutrients very well.

i have just about zero stress in my life.

i sleep 9-10 hours every night, and deep sleep too. i am in an easy major, with no job as well. the only activity i get is when i ride my bike to class which is about a quarter mile away or less, and the rest of the time is spent sitting around doing nothing. I don’t believe my workouts suck, I was using CT’s HSS-100 for the past 16 weeks, and the last 4 weeks in the strength phase i was able to go from 195 lbs on bench press 2 times to 205 pounds 3 times.
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damn. well, keep with it, keep doing everything right, gains will come. If it was fast and easy, everyone would have amazing physiques.

It’s easy to be jaded by the newbie gains. For example, a person who’s new to working out and lifting weights will at first gain muscle like crazy. same with strength. then they start to get diminishing returns, so SOMETHING must be wrong. Not necessarily, it’s just the way the body is.

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OK wait since when is fat free milk and “stuff” not clean. what the hell has happened here???

anyway I agree keep it up.

Also well im really not to damn impressed by a newish trainee going up ten lbs and one rep in a month. Man that could largely be neural, and just getting better at the exercise. I would look at what CU… stated earlier and really ask your self REALLY are you bringing the intensity you should to these w/o’s are you giving them every damn bit of everything you can laying it on the table??

Im guessing no. Time to do so. Im not saying add things either use a solid plan like HSS-100 but now go in there with a passion desire and drive. No lolly gagging, no chit chat social time in the gym. Go in focused do your work and hell from the sounds of your life plenty of idle time for the other things in the rst of your day.

You dont look bad you ned to eat and train hard. no reason with Hard work under the bar and Iron with your life style you cant make great progress if you DO IT.

Step back take an honest look and assess the situation.

Hope that helps,
Phill

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dude i do focus hard in the gym, i tell people that i don’t workout with anyone because i’m there to workout and i time all of my rest intervals and don’t speak to anyone in the gym unless i ask someone for a spotter.

i go extremely hard, as that is the only way to go. I put up about 740 pounds for 4-5 reps on the leg press in the superset section of leg press and leg extension in the S part of HS, and my face is about to explode when doing it, as well when I front squat 215 pounds 3 times and veins are popping out of my neck, face completely red, gritting my teeth big time as i look up to keep my form straight and bring it up. There’s not a single workout where I don’t leave the gym sweating big time, and I am always breathing very hard throughout my workouts.

People generally do give me stares due to the intensity, but all i see them doing is sitting around doing random exercises with no rhymn or reason to them. I can assess myself and say that I know there’s not many putting forth as much effort as I am.

My background is distance running up to 120 miles a week, so I know exactly what hard effort is, that is nothing new to me. And I’ve been at training for about 9 months now, with a 6 week setback half way through it where I got sick and back into running which took me back down to 150 lbs, which I have since gained back in the 19 weeks that I’ve been back at it. Anyways, yeah, there it is, I put forth possibly more effort than I should.

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btw, i can definitely control my level of exertion in the gym if it requires that i need to back off some, but when i do go to the gym, if i don’t seriously put forth the effort that i know i need to, i know there’s no point in being there, so i definitely do what is necessary, intensity wise.

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I know this might sound like layman advice, but how about a little less insoluble fibre?

All those oats and peanut butter add up to a lot of fibre, you might want to reduce that for a while and see if that helps with growth and caloric absorption, since your lifts are going up.

There should be no reason you can’t put on weight, and with enough training intensity, it’ll be muscle.

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i’m just gona keep on keeping on. i can’t really be too upset about my progress since essentially only 19 weeks ago i got set back to day one of my lifting due to the sickness and starting running up again. to go from 150 to 175-177 in 19 weeks and still be as cut as i am in the picture above shows that i am making progress. i know i’m doing everything right, i guess i’m just a little impatient cuz i hang out around here and hear about all these big people, and get pumped up, only to go over to the mirror and see this puny guy. I’m guessing though it’ll only take another 20 more weeks before i’m 185-190 and actually do look like i’m a lifter, not just an average joe in clothes.

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Your probably trainiing like a pussy. do you deadlift, do heavy chins? blast your quads? Or are you the do 10 sets of arms and 20 sets of chest type of guy?

what I would say, is eating alott is great but you have to be getting stronger everytime you even think about the gym.

If that is inline

have 2 postworkout shakes! 1 hour apart.

I disagree about uping the carbs to much, i think the body adapts to insulin levels quick and they don’t have there anabolicness to them after awhile.

Up your fats and protein! especially if your not sauced! It will only help your t levels.

eat 2 g of protein per pound of bodyweight. Eat minimum of 100 grams of fat a day from healthy sources , and eat another 50 grams that total your saturated fats.

Try Grow with heavy whipping cream.
buffalo and eggs.
eat liver!
try rotating your proteins!
sample day,
buffalo and 3 eggs and vegetables
shake 4 scoops low carb protein 4 tbs whipping cream 4 fish oil
12 oz chicken 1tbs almond butter,
salad
train, sip Surge
pwo Surge with creatine and glutamine
1 hour later 60 g protein powder, juice, malto, pineapple blend, with creatine and glutamine
2 hrs later
Steak 12 oz 10 oz yam, vegetables
before bed 4 scoops advanced protein, 2 tbs flax oil.some frozen fruit in there.

Eating the bullshit chicken and rice diet will not put weight on you unless your a juiced BBer.

Every fith day train early and eat a 1000 g of carbs for the day! and drop your fats.

if you don’t gain weight of this then yournot training hard enough.

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that was probably one of the most arrogant posts ever…

i do all the major lifts, and prefer deadlifts and squats any day over curls and such arm work. my deadlift is 375 for 1 rep and back squat i’m guessing is arouind 365ish now, at or below parallel. bench press is not as impressive at about 220-225 for a 1 rep max, but oh well, i’m trying. you must not be very familiar with the hss-100 program.

thanks for the tips on the diet though, however i dont’ see what the big problem about chicken and rice is.

and yeah i get over 100g of fats a day, healthy ones too, i mean, i drink olive oil…

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ah, and i also do about 6-7 reps of pullups with 25 pounds hanging…nothing special, but it’s the best i can do for that many reps at the time. usually 35 lbs hanging for 4 reps, and on dips i can do 80 pounds hanging for 5 reps. Don’t see anything wrong with that so far, in terms of whether or not i’m working out intensely enough. it’s funny, i see big guys benching 315 that do 7-8 reps with 35 lbs hanging for dips.

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I think I saw one of the HSS programs, and I think you should drop it for now in order to do something like Waterbury HFT. My reasoning is that the asthetics based HSS programs don’t seem to have enough focus on moving compoundly. Once you get huge and jacked, when you want to look perfect or bring up your chest/shoulders/legs then specialize back to HSS to do so. You don’t need any special program like HSS to be making progress now.

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[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
I think I saw one of the HSS programs, and I think you should drop it for now in order to do something like Waterbury HFT. My reasoning is that the asthetics based HSS programs don’t seem to have enough focus on moving compoundly. Once you get huge and jacked, when you want to look perfect or bring up your chest/shoulders/legs then specialize back to HSS to do so. You don’t need any special program like HSS to be making progress now.[/quote]

you know, all along i have kind of thought that, but just kept on going with it because i enjoyed the program and how long i got to spend in the gym. i am starting up tomorrow on Waterbury’s abhh1 program, and will give that and abbh2 a try after 6 weeks of that. hopefully i can get up to 185 and the same bodyfat by then, as i’ll be using Carbolin 19 and being super strict on my diet, sleep, and things i do throughout the day. plan on having no cheat meals until i see 185 on the scale and feel that standing in the mirror i look like similar bodyfat to what i am now.

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[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
i’m just gona keep on keeping on. i can’t really be too upset about my progress since essentially only 19 weeks ago i got set back to day one of my lifting due to the sickness and starting running up again. to go from 150 to 175-177 in 19 weeks and still be as cut as i am in the picture above shows that i am making progress. i know i’m doing everything right, i guess i’m just a little impatient cuz i hang out around here and hear about all these big people, and get pumped up, only to go over to the mirror and see this puny guy. I’m guessing though it’ll only take another 20 more weeks before i’m 185-190 and actually do look like i’m a lifter, not just an average joe in clothes. [/quote]

You’re doing fine. You say you’ve gone from 150 to 175 in 19 weeks? Do the math, because a pound a week is great progress!
As for going on the internet and reading about others…forget about it. Everyone has different goals, bodies, habits, etc. (not to mention average internet talk on size is inflated by 37.5930%).
Be confident and hapy with who YOU are and don’t worry about what others are doing.

According to your posts in this topic you’re going hard at the gym. So keep it up. One thing I did notice is you don’t have a partner to push you in the gym. It may be good to find one.

Be patient, track with a log, adjust as needed (i.e.-less fiber, more whole protein and carb), stay with it, set short tern goals based on a long term plan, and MOST of all, remember that it’s a lifestyle not a race.

Bud

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alright you train somewhat hard.
but 375 deadlift is nothing great. get that to the 450 500 range,

Your squat is that close to your deadlift? You probably think your going parallel.

WHat is your powerclean? That will add size on you, build your powerclean up to 300 than see if youve gained weight.

chicken and rice? I find that high carb doesn’t put muscle on drug free bodybuilders.

seriously up your protein to 2g per lb of bodyweight.

POWERCLEAN
increase deadlift poundages
Squat? Try split squats,

Are you getting enough saturated fat?

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[quote]Shortest Straw wrote:
alright you train somewhat hard.
but 375 deadlift is nothing great. get that to the 450 500 range,

Your squat is that close to your deadlift? You probably think your going parallel.

WHat is your powerclean? That will add size on you, build your powerclean up to 300 than see if youve gained weight.

chicken and rice? I find that high carb doesn’t put muscle on drug free bodybuilders.

seriously up your protein to 2g per lb of bodyweight.

POWERCLEAN
increase deadlift poundages
Squat? Try split squats,

Are you getting enough saturated fat?[/quote]

tell me if you don’t think that is below parallel. and yes, i have since corrected problems with my form on frot squats, and was last doing 215 for 3 reps of front squats.

and as i wasn’t born yesterday, i realize 375 is nothing special at all in a deadlift, but for my strength level at the moment, it’s the best i can do. i only get fully dizzy and almost momentarily blind once i get finished deadlifting 375, are you suggesting i should go to 450-500 right now, seeing as how i couldn’t even do that logically? hell, why not just go for a 400 pound bench press right now, since that is what the big boys do? oh wait, it’s cuz i can’t come anywhere near that right now, and i do my own maxes as hard as i can for my current level.

as for my diet today, here is the breakdown, and what i plan on eating every day for the next 2 months at least, with no cheat meals as i’m starting up Carbolin 19 and want to get to 185 as quick as possible with minimal fat gain… 4,185 calories, 137g fat, 405g carb, 334g protein. There’s a breakdown of it all, and it’s all 100% clean food.

I am not doing powercleans right now as I’m doing CW’s ABBH1 program, and from there plan on going into ABBH2 if abbh1 goes well.

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OK woooohaa slow down bro your taking things way to damn personal. Its very hard over the internet to tell if someone is training hard, eating hard etc…

We as people trying to help are giving advice as to what we have seen is the most usual things coming up short. With what you stated the first thing that came to mind to me was well the not eating enouhg of course and also training intensity.

Many times people mistake fatigue for intensity. As in they go to the weight room and do a ton of things huge amounts of exercises and reps and sets and sure get tired eventually. Yet instead if they went in did the few and did them wiuth the intensity needed they would get a better training.

Yhea it will probably get your panties in a bundle again but I still say look at your intensity next time your in the gym and every time. For years I was sure I was training hard then. I began to train with people bigger, stronger. People who compete in BBing, PLing, etc. Sure I had been training hard but NO I had not been training hard. There is another level.

So every time after your session form now to forever look at it and see did you give IT. Not saying you should every time hell you cant but try and reach that next level and it will pay off.

[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
tell me if you don’t think that is below parallel. and yes, i have since corrected problems with my form on frot squats, and was last doing 215 for 3 reps of front squats. [/quote]

yup looks good. Only thing I see may help hard to tell but get that bar in closer up higher on the shoulders, almost choking you. elbows higher. This will get the load more inline. It will help greatly when the loads get higher at keeping you upright both the load being centered and elbows high.

Looks good though.

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and as i wasn’t born yesterday, i realize 375 is nothing special at all in a deadlift, but for my strength level at the moment, it’s the best i can do. i only get fully dizzy and almost momentarily blind once i get finished deadlifting 375,[/quote]

Good that means your doing the damn thing your straining. now keep it up find the weaknesses, in training and diet, and keep striving to better yourself.

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are you suggesting i should go to 450-500 right now, seeing as how i couldn’t even do that logically? hell, why not just go for a 400 pound bench press right now, since that is what the big boys do? oh wait, it’s cuz i can’t come anywhere near that right now, and i do my own maxes as hard as i can for my current level.[/quote]

I know these werent aimed at me but No you shouldnt and I dont think the poster was saying that, He was trying to put your statement in perspective. you were getting aggitated and a little attitude he was geting you off your seemingly high horse and saying pretty much Hey you still suck those numbers arent that great, you need to get a lot better. Hell we all do thats why we hit the damn gym. To do better look better etc then the day prior.

well hopefully most of us there are many out there that just go through the motions as well hence the intensity ?'s

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as for my diet today, here is the breakdown, and what i plan on eating every day for the next 2 months at least, with no cheat meals as i’m starting up Carbolin 19 and want to get to 185 as quick as possible with minimal fat gain… 4,185 calories, 137g fat, 405g carb, 334g protein. There’s a breakdown of it all, and it’s all 100% clean food. [/quote]

Great do it. I will say relax a bit if you want the damn big peice of chicken , once a week, or the scoop of ice cream once a week do it. If no then dont im all for eating clean but dont go crazy doing so.

If this isnt working up the intake. simple as that.

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I am not doing powercleans right now as I’m doing CW’s ABBH1 program, and from there plan on going into ABBH2 if abbh1 goes well.[/quote]

great or id say flip the ABBH1 and run it twice simply swap the rep and set chemes for the days and you can run the program two times. That is if yoiu have luck with it. Then move to something else.

Oh and you could use Powercleans in it. id prob use it as a DL replacement. but you could use it if wanted.

have fun
Phill

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Of course I meant build up to the higher poundages?

so that your working reps will be stronger 2.

Personally, I think your body will adapt to eating 400 g of carbs daily. I think your body gets used to the insulin.

I think having your protein where it is and timing your carbs to PWO, during and after training allow the insulin to stay really anabolic!

try the two pwo shake method
during training sip a 40gp 80c blend finish the rest after, and one hour later have another 40gP 80gC blend
Then 2hrs later another meal I like steak and large yam for this one.

Every fith day after training eat like 6 meals containing 150g of carbs.

I think that way your body doesn’t adapt to its calories and insulin so well.

IF this doesn’t work for you

try poliquins rebound training its a 4 cycle protocol done in 11 day intervals.
he claims over 11 lbs gained of muscle in 44 days.

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Ok i watched your video. From what I see you are going deep enough, but

You negative speed is to fast, you doing a 1.5 second negative, with a very sloppy explosive return. Yes more of a powerlifter type slop.Your doing the lift but not breaking down muscle.

If you want to really fatigue your muscles break down the fibers you need to concentrate on the muscles. Doing a 4 to 5 sec negative with some isometric holds at the top. Try using that form with a one leg front squat, you cant you’ll fall over.

For your bodytype I think doing compound sets , try sets and supersets would probably be better than just straight sets that focus on just the lift.

I would really like to see your deadlift form and see how fast you perform that movement.

Your back also rounds out a bit before you fatigue your legs.

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Sometimes I swear people have reading comprehension problem. The OP is basically saying he’s having problem gaining weight. Why are folks focusing on his efforts in the gym? Let’s say he doesn’t work out hard enough or even go to the gym, what does that have to do with simply gaining weight? Gaining weight has to do with how much nutrient one ingests and assimilates, period. He’s talking about how much he eats and yet he’s weight doesn’t budge. I’m not here to figure what his problem is but his issue is simply about weight gain. Why are people confused about this? Gaining pure muscle, bulk or fat is another discussion and certainly going to the gym will have alot to do with it.

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[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
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as for my diet today, here is the breakdown, and what i plan on eating every day for the next 2 months at least, with no cheat meals as i’m starting up Carbolin 19 and want to get to 185 as quick as possible with minimal fat gain… 4,185 calories, 137g fat, 405g carb, 334g protein. There’s a breakdown of it all, and it’s all 100% clean food.
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Sounds good to me m8.

If you find after 2 months you haven’t achieved your goal, the don’t get discouraged, view it as a learning experience. You will have established a baseline. You’ve really got to experiment to find out what works for you and the best way to judge results is to have something to compare it to. Worst case you will have spent 2 months establishing a baseline.

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Relativelyfunguy,

I too have a “freaky” fast metabolism, so I know where you’re coming from.

I think that one thing you need to realize is that your body is already super efficient at processing the food you eat. Basically what I mean is that your body doesn’t tend to store fat, so, you really don’t need to be so super strict when trying to bulk up.

Now, I’m not saying eat donuts 6 times a day, but you can “cheat” a lot more readily than someone with a naturally slower metabolism and still not gain much if any fat. I’ve personally found that I have to “cheat” so to speak in order to get in enough calories (either that or drink bottles of olive oil ;^) ).

One other thing I noticed that you said was that you were and still are (not sure) a distance runner. This may be why you are having such a hard time putting on weight.

Long duration, low intensity exercise like distance running not only burns a lot of calories, but it also can serve to transform your precious type 2A muscle fibers to type 1 fibers. This isn’t scientifically proven yet, but many people believe that it does occur.

In my experience, doing long duration low intensity cardio makes gaining muscle extremely difficult. I would honestly suggest that you stop doing distance running if you really want to focus on gaining muscle. Now, this may not be a sacrifice that you’re willing to make. But, it’s something to think about.

Good luck and good training,

Sentoguy