[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Instead of looking down on him for not acheiving our goals maybe we should praise him for hitting his own.
james
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Where’s the fun in that?
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
“look better” is a subjective term… but I know what you’re saying.
thats obviously the “look” that he’s after and (obviously) its a look that sells.
like I said, thats not the look i’m after but its what he wants and he got there.[/quote]
Maybe he’s not going for a “look”. Maybe he sees other 50 year old guys around and says “I don’t want to look anything like them”. Maybe he wants to be really lean like that. There’s certainly nothing wrong with how he looks and I bet he’s pretty damn healthy.
Instead of looking down on him for not acheiving our goals maybe we should praise him for hitting his own.
james
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I wasn’t looking down on him. I was making a statement about how the physique goals of most guys in the gym have changed. Most people in the gym in the 90’s weren’t looking to look like this guy. To see him as the head of a craze now is something worth commenting on.
[quote]BobParr wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]iStandOnMyHands wrote:
think he got that body from P90X? [/quote]
I am more shocked that the average guy today would look at that and say, “That is my goal!”[/quote]
are you really though?[/quote]
Dude, I remember people looking up to Markie Mark…or Jean Claude Van Damme. They at least looked “built” to some degree. This guy is just skinny and lean. How is that a goal to men today?[/quote]
Just goes to show the utter lack of physical excellence in America.
When you set the bar really low, it’s easy to jump over, then brag about it later.[/quote]
But, you would think they would get tired of seeing so many people like themselves. It’s like a carbon copy parade through the gym lately…dudes balancing on balls and showing off their super ripped alarmingly skinny physiques.
It’s easy to not eat and barely make any muscle gains. You just have to starve yourself.
I just find it hard to believe that someone built like an anorexic basketball player is now the physique goal to millions.[/quote]
But you come from a different perspective. You want to be a freak, a bodybuilder, a stand-out. Most Americans WANT to conform.
I’m not taking their side, I’m just stating a fact. If you walk into any random American’s home, you’ll see the same damn decor from one house to the next. Most people can’t think for themselves, let alone their true image they want to portray publicly. Look at someone like Kai Greene. The man himself is a freak, and he lives like a freak. That’s an original right there.
Tony Horton relies on people’s NEED to fit it. [/quote]
I’ve noticed that…the house furniture thing. Every friend I have in the same age group (ESPECIALLY IF MARRIED) has a similar “style” to the house.
I’ve got swords everywhere.
I guess I have a problem.
LOL
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See, I HATE that. I mean I hate the idea that everyone has to look about the same, dress the same, have the same style home and decor inside their home… YUCK!
What may be even worse is that they seem to want that for themselves. It would be more excusable if there were some ayatollah or dictator commanding them to be that way. It’s really bad when you’re so cowed that no one even needs to be there to keep you in line.
People seem so worried about standing out it’s become pathetic. Hendrix was right:
“White-collar conservative flashing down the street,
Pointing his plastic finger at me.
He’s hoping my kind will soon drop and die.
But I’m gonna wave my freak flag high!”
K, sorry… rant over.
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Good post.
That part about some dictator is so true.
But it starts in childhood. I think it’s damn near epidemic that many kids today don’t develop a good level of self-assuredness (blame parents initially), so they’re dying to conform to some lame standard set by their peers. I hate to brag (no I don’t), but my son was not raised like that, and subsequently is quite a unique individual among his peers.
http://karmachow.com/storage/Tony%20Horton.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1295929429893
Maybe this picture is photo shopped, has perfect lighting, he dried out for the shoot, and the stars aligned perfectly when they took it, but he looks awesome here and anyone who says they would hate to look like that when they are 50 is full of it.
That said, p90X is a genius product for making Tony Horton rich. There are plenty of better ways to train but this one is easy to sell and they have done a great job of that. My friend who has never been much of a lifter is half way through it and has lost a bunch of weight and is looking much better so it’s not like he is selling snake oil that won’t do anything, it just isn’t the optimal way to train.
Also, he has a long ass neck.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I wasn’t looking down on him. I was making a statement about how the physique goals of most guys in the gym have changed. Most people in the gym in the 90’s weren’t looking to look like this guy. To see him as the head of a craze now is something worth commenting on.[/quote]
It’s worthy of commenting on because you don’t think it’s a very worthy goal.
And how do you know what most guys in the gym were going for in the 90s? Did you visit every gym in America and conduct a survey? Did you survey a sample of gym goers in your area? Or are you going off of what you rememeber what you and your friends wanted?
I’m not trying to be a dick here. I’m just trying to show that different people have different goals and we should praise people when they hit theirs.
james
When you are guaranteeing people a beach body after only 90 days of course you’re going to blow up in popularity. A bunch of my friends have done P90x… and none of them look like any of the people in their ads.
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
Also, he has a long ass neck.[/quote]
LOL
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Most people in the gym in the 90’s weren’t looking to look like this guy. To see him as the head of a craze now is something worth commenting on.[/quote]
The thing is, though, P90X is targeted at people looking for a workout at home, not people headed to the gym. So it’s a slightly different audience.
In the '90s, Tae Bo was doing exactly the same thing P90X is today - delivering a ridiculously popular at-home fat loss workout - and Billy Blanks was seen exactly the same as Horton is now (enthusiastic trainer/leader with what his target audience sees as an "ideal"body).
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
http://karmachow.com/storage/Tony%20Horton.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1295929429893
Maybe this picture is photo shopped, has perfect lighting, he dried out for the shoot, and the stars aligned perfectly when they took it, but he looks awesome here and anyone who says they would hate to look like that when they are 50 is full of it.[/quote]
Not for nothing, but that pic is from 1999, when Horton was 40 yrs old. (Again though, he’s in awesome shape for 40.)
Your friend lost fat and looks better, but this isn’t an “optimal” plan? I disagree. And I have a buddy in the same boat. He quit smoking last year, was diagnosed with bladder cancer a few months later, went through successful treatments, and then hopped on P90X to get into shape. He’s lost about 20 pounds and looks as good as when I first met him 10+ years ago.
Like Planet Fitness, Crossfit, P90x is a gateway… an introduction. If it gets people off their asses and into some kind of productive, regimented plan, good on 'em. We might know “a better way”, and we get a kick out of cracking jokes, but when someone’s starting at zero, anything is better than nothing. We can just hope that they progress and “outgrow” one of those plans sooner or later.
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
“look better” is a subjective term… but I know what you’re saying.
thats obviously the “look” that he’s after and (obviously) its a look that sells.
like I said, thats not the look i’m after but its what he wants and he got there.[/quote]
Maybe he’s not going for a “look”. Maybe he sees other 50 year old guys around and says “I don’t want to look anything like them”. Maybe he wants to be really lean like that. There’s certainly nothing wrong with how he looks and I bet he’s pretty damn healthy.
Instead of looking down on him for not acheiving our goals maybe we should praise him for hitting his own.
james
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Did you even read my posts? I never once said anything bad about Horton or how he looked.
I said my goals/ideal physique were different but he has obviously is going for his/has reached his and good for him.
Not sure why you responded to my post the way you did?
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I wasn’t looking down on him. I was making a statement about how the physique goals of most guys in the gym have changed. Most people in the gym in the 90’s weren’t looking to look like this guy. To see him as the head of a craze now is something worth commenting on.[/quote]
It’s worthy of commenting on because you don’t think it’s a very worthy goal.
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I think I explained my opinion pretty well already. I also mentioned how pop starz were looked up to in the past. Most people in most gyms until recently were not busting their asses to look like Troy did in that first pic posted.
I am not sure what you have a problem with in what I wrote. I get to have an opinion. I was born human.
Uh, no, it is not my responsibility to praise everyone just because they reached a personal goal. Anorexics do the same shit but I guess we should praise that as well. I mean, what if they reached a goal?!
People can do what they want. It is not my responsibility to like it or accept it.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Did you even read my posts? I never once said anything bad about Horton or how he looked.
I said my goals/ideal physique were different but he has obviously is going for his/has reached his and good for him.
Not sure why you responded to my post the way you did?
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I think you’re getting defensive over nothing. I never said that you did say anything bad about Tony. I simply used your post as a point of reference from which to start the conversation. I probably should have been more clear in my writing.
What I should have said was something more along the lines of “I agree with you. And furthermore what if he’s not going for a look? What if he’s simply trying to stay healthy in a country that is becoming more and more unhealthy”.
I don’t want to piss off any local firefighters in case I ever need them!
james
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Did you even read my posts? I never once said anything bad about Horton or how he looked.
I said my goals/ideal physique were different but he has obviously is going for his/has reached his and good for him.
Not sure why you responded to my post the way you did?
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I think you’re getting defensive over nothing. I never said that you did say anything bad about Tony. I simply used your post as a point of reference from which to start the conversation. I probably should have been more clear in my writing.
What I should have said was something more along the lines of “I agree with you. And furthermore what if he’s not going for a look? What if he’s simply trying to stay healthy in a country that is becoming more and more unhealthy”.
I don’t want to piss off any local firefighters in case I ever need them!
james
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hahaha I wasnt getting defensive, i was genuinely confused lol.
I know what you’re saying and it makes sense… but he is 100% absolutely going for a look. He is in the fitness industry (and arguably the most notable/marketable/successful individuals right now) and his “look” is what sells.
I have no doubt that he is trying to stay healthy/be healthy (as most of us are, I assume) but he definitely has a physique that sells to the general public and he needs to maintain that… not only for health but it is his lively hood.
Does that make sense?
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]iStandOnMyHands wrote:
Hey guys… Guess who never said that my goal was to look like Tony Horton? Me… Why did you assume that? My goal is more along the lines of Hannibal for king, al kavadlo, Swiss love. Actually If I could pick one physique, it’d be Matt Serra in his fight against GSP.[/quote]
Serra’s right bicep looks awful. [/quote]
lol just looked at it, youre kinda right. beggars cant be choosers though.
[quote]iStandOnMyHands wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]iStandOnMyHands wrote:
Hey guys… Guess who never said that my goal was to look like Tony Horton? Me… Why did you assume that? My goal is more along the lines of Hannibal for king, al kavadlo, Swiss love. Actually If I could pick one physique, it’d be Matt Serra in his fight against GSP.[/quote]
Serra’s right bicep looks awful. [/quote]
lol just looked at it, youre kinda right. beggars cant be choosers though.[/quote]
Not true. I once gave a bum the choice between a turkey sandwich and a ham sandwich. So in fact, we was both a beggar and a chooser.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Uh, no, it is not my responsibility to praise everyone just because they reached a personal goal. Anorexics do the same shit but I guess we should praise that as well. I mean, what if they reached a goal?!
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LOL
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Most people in the gym in the 90’s weren’t looking to look like this guy. To see him as the head of a craze now is something worth commenting on.[/quote]
The thing is, though, P90X is targeted at people looking for a workout at home, not people headed to the gym. So it’s a slightly different audience.
In the '90s, Tae Bo was doing exactly the same thing P90X is today - delivering a ridiculously popular at-home fat loss workout - and Billy Blanks was seen exactly the same as Horton is now (enthusiastic trainer/leader with what his target audience sees as an "ideal"body).
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
http://karmachow.com/storage/Tony%20Horton.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1295929429893
Maybe this picture is photo shopped, has perfect lighting, he dried out for the shoot, and the stars aligned perfectly when they took it, but he looks awesome here and anyone who says they would hate to look like that when they are 50 is full of it.[/quote]
Not for nothing, but that pic is from 1999, when Horton was 40 yrs old. (Again though, he’s in awesome shape for 40.)
Your friend lost fat and looks better, but this isn’t an “optimal” plan? I disagree. And I have a buddy in the same boat. He quit smoking last year, was diagnosed with bladder cancer a few months later, went through successful treatments, and then hopped on P90X to get into shape. He’s lost about 20 pounds and looks as good as when I first met him 10+ years ago.
Like Planet Fitness, Crossfit, P90x is a gateway… an introduction. If it gets people off their asses and into some kind of productive, regimented plan, good on 'em. We might know “a better way”, and we get a kick out of cracking jokes, but when someone’s starting at zero, anything is better than nothing. We can just hope that they progress and “outgrow” one of those plans sooner or later.[/quote]
Still checking for Hall Passes I see
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Most people in the gym in the 90’s weren’t looking to look like this guy. To see him as the head of a craze now is something worth commenting on.[/quote]
The thing is, though, P90X is targeted at people looking for a workout at home, not people headed to the gym. So it’s a slightly different audience.
In the '90s, Tae Bo was doing exactly the same thing P90X is today - delivering a ridiculously popular at-home fat loss workout - and Billy Blanks was seen exactly the same as Horton is now (enthusiastic trainer/leader with what his target audience sees as an "ideal"body).
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
http://karmachow.com/storage/Tony%20Horton.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1295929429893
Maybe this picture is photo shopped, has perfect lighting, he dried out for the shoot, and the stars aligned perfectly when they took it, but he looks awesome here and anyone who says they would hate to look like that when they are 50 is full of it.[/quote]
Not for nothing, but that pic is from 1999, when Horton was 40 yrs old. (Again though, he’s in awesome shape for 40.)
Your friend lost fat and looks better, but this isn’t an “optimal” plan? I disagree. And I have a buddy in the same boat. He quit smoking last year, was diagnosed with bladder cancer a few months later, went through successful treatments, and then hopped on P90X to get into shape. He’s lost about 20 pounds and looks as good as when I first met him 10+ years ago.
Like Planet Fitness, Crossfit, P90x is a gateway… an introduction. If it gets people off their asses and into some kind of productive, regimented plan, good on 'em. We might know “a better way”, and we get a kick out of cracking jokes, but when someone’s starting at zero, anything is better than nothing. We can just hope that they progress and “outgrow” one of those plans sooner or later.[/quote]
Still checking for Hall Passes I see[/quote]
Um… … … what?