Look. I made a mistake here. I thought t-nation sounded like a heavy place. I thought i may find others that respect strength.
If you think about it, this is all my fault. I literally came to a bodybuilding forum and thought that talking about what is manly-to guys that pose in bikinis and send pics to others wondering if their chest looks small- was going to be a good idea.
I tried to use logic and experience to tell people how to get the grip up without doing click bait youtube nonsense. And then someone brought the cussword of powersports up: the traplift. I tried to disuade people from falling into the trap of easy=better. This is a fault of mine and Rippetoe. We try to get rid of the excuses that make people take the path of less resistance.
I was in a motorcycle accident and couldnt lift my arm. I couldnt flex my quad. I started with facepulls because it was what i could do.
I have worked through injuries to get to where i am. But i am not at a wall. I am finally to a point where i am mostly past all the injuries and still getting stronger.
I didnt decide that my shoulder was too fucked up to press, and i squatted as soon as i could. So your insults are hitting pretty tough skin. But you are a strength guy, so i am cool with you anyway
What has anyone said that makes you think that they don’t respect strength? I surely respect strength whether you interpret something I said that has you believing otherwise.
If I look back on the form I used to squat the first two decades I competed, it was much more difficult to do than the form I used the last decade I competed. I was much stronger using the “easier” form.
I crashed a Fat Boy, was life flighted, spent some days in ICU, had several broken bones including a shattered elbow that was ultimately replaced after deliberations around amputation and had a number of internal lacerations as well.
I spent a year in intense physical therapy and still can’t get change from a drive-thru, but the only visible reminder at this time is a scar where the elbow was replaced that has faded to a surprisingly unnoticeable color.
Pressing is hard for me and starts to hurt around 300 then as I approach roughly 350 gets pretty rough given the pressure it creates on the prosthetic but the surgeon says I won’t reinjure so I press anyways. I’m always a little curious how limiting it is but will never really know.
I understand the struggle and can respect pulling through it, and “get your weight up” isn’t intended to be an insult.
Based on comments made and lift numbers you’ve posted, I sincerely think you would be better off learning than being the sheriff. But alas, I’m a guy on the internet (and apparently 1-1.5 or so hours away too) so what do I know.
Onwards and upwards.
Edit: as a side note, hang around the strength community long enough and you’ll be surprised to find out who is training and even competing through injuries many would’ve allowed to become excuses. Also not an insult but your story isn’t special. Go do some local meets and start meeting people. It will be the best thing for your strength game that you can do.
Most of the forum regulars are pretty strong guys and we all respect strength. We all respect enthusiasm for strength, too. We also get a kick out of posts like…
I could go into detail about why that’s all silly to say in the way that you say it, but the next thing you said made it clear that you’re still experiencing newb gains, which is great.
It seems evident to me that anyone expecting that kind of leap off of a deload is still a beginner lifter, which again is great. I think you should go for it. I did the same kind of crap and often surprised myself with how strong I could get.
You should also stick around. Keep the enthusiasm and whenever you feel the urge to explain to someone that they are wrong, stop and consider the possibility that you may, in fact, have no idea what you’re actually talking about.
BTW, everything that works your grip works for developing your grip. In my opinion, Captains of Crush and especially training martial arts in a gi did more to strengthen my overall grip than working up deadlifts double-overhand ever did.
Many ways to work the grip, and i am not claiming deads is best way, my argument is that one should not give up when it gets hard and just move to straps. Yet straps are absolutely necessary to find out your max on the deadlift unless you want to be limited by grip. I think deadlifts and rows may be the most efficient way to work your grip for deadlift, itself as you arent really going out of your way. You are already doing the lifts. But all i have is anecdotal evidence.
I never plan on being able to max double overhand the same as strapped or hooked. But as i go up in strength, i want my grip to move up also.
I saw that you are double overhanding 500+ for reps. So I don’t think you are skipping grip. That is real shit, bud.
The most I have ever repped double overhand is only 405 for maybe 5 before the bar rolled out of my hands. I’m also of the opinion that straps are not always needed or ideal for a max deadlift attempt, which I also believe are unnecessary. It’s been a long time since I’ve tried to figure out my max and I may never max again on deads.
Grip has never been a limiting factor for me and straps interfere with my deadlift set up. I can pull heavier without them because my setup for the lift is an important part of the equation for me. I still use strap for my now infrequent heavy sets because I don’t see any value in mixed grip at this point in my life. I’m not a competitor and have no aspirations to become one. I just want to pull without extra risk.
Yeah. 405 for 5 is nasty without hook, supination, or straps. I had 405 roll out yesterday knee level. Just looked at my hand, and i guess it kinda pulled part of the callous off.
I rubbed it in the dirt and peed on it for good measure, so it is probably fully healed. But i have decided to deputize you. And i want you to consider swearing an oath against the trap bar
Pulled part off? When I was in college and weighed about 165lbs I liked to tinker around with gymnastics before I ever lifted a weight in my life. I was doing giant swings on the high bar with a supinated grip and totally ripped off a callous on one of my palms. I didn’t have any leather protection until after that event.
A few years later and weighing about 200lbs while lifting weights at the YMCA. They had a high bar in their gym (not in the weight room.) I knew I could still do a giant swing, so upon the bar I got, swing into a kip up with a supinated grip and up into a handstand. Over the bar I went and could barely hold on to the bar. My grip almost betrayed me. At the maximum force in the swing I was holding on by my fingertips. That was my last giant swing. Talking grip in lifting weights isn’t even in the same ballpark with grip in gymnastics. And ripping off callouses too.
Deadlift was never my strongest lift. But you improve gradually, and working to big weights strengthens the tendons as well as the muscles. I have read about biceps tendinitis using a mixed grip forever. But using one for years have never even had a twinge in mine. How common is rupture in natural lifters, really?