shoot mentally disabled people in the back…
Maybe I’m thinking of somebody else, but it seems to me that you post an awful lot about the misdeeds of some police officers, from which the unwashed masses are to infer that all policemen are bad, evil men.
If I’m wrong, I offer my apology and the rest of my post is moot; stop reading because I’m about to go off.
However, if I’m not wrong, then I really would love to know what your problem is? Does this one unfortunate act (which sounds like the officers overreacted in the midst of utter chaos) somehow negate the millions of good, or even heroic acts performed by police EVERY DAY (and that you don’t hear about)?
Seriously, man, I don’t get people who think that way. Let’s say the news reports an officer doing something REALLY grotesque, such as using his uniform to lure a sweet, innocent little child into an alley where he rapes, murders, and fucking COOKS AND EATS the child… somehow that illegitimizes law enforcement as a whole?
I happen to know plenty of cops who are good, decent, brave men who have never done anything more “corrupt” than maybe fixing a speeding ticket. Let me think, the ratio of good cops to bad cops I personally know is about 10:0.
How about the time when my oldest son was about 10, decided to take a walk, and didn’t come back for a few hours (which was unusual - he was only supposed to go to the corner and back)? How about when my wife called the police to report him missing and they CANVASSED THE FUCKING TOWN looking for him? One kid, “missing” for just a couple hours, half the frigging policemen of the town looking for him? Oh, except for the cop that stayed at my house to comfort my wife until I could get home (I was about 40 miles away when I got the news), and stuck around after I did get home? How about the fact that not one cop even seemed the least bit annoyed (but rather relieved) when they found my son less than a mile from my house hanging out at the pond, skipping rocks?
What’s your point anyway? Are you trying to incite a revolution? Are we, the oppressed populace, now supposed to climb our rooftops and hurl barbell collars down at the Blue Meanies?
Tell you what, why don’t you sign up for a job that could cost you your life at any given time, could very likely cost you your marriage, will never make you rich, puts you directly in the line of verbal and physical abuse of scumbags with no respect for authority, and at the end of the day earns you very little gratitude from the people you serve, and THEN point fingers.
I’d love to see how you’d fare under the stress and calamity of the Katrina situation.
Or you could just go play a round of golf and cast aspersions from a nice, safe distance. Pfft.
-Bob
Bob,
I wanted to thank you for that post. Let me know if are in Maryland. I’d like to thank you personally.
Your friend,
JeffR
Hi Jeff,
Nope, up in Mass. here, but I’m guessing you’re law enforcement (or family), so in return let me thank you.
Regards,
Bob
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Bob,
I wanted to thank you for that post. Let me know if are in Maryland. I’d like to thank you personally.
Your friend,
JeffR
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Bob I agree with you about PGA only picking the negative stories about cops .But I think you are being a little unfair. I know good cops and I remember bad cops from when I was not a model citizen. And just because I am a model citizen now does not mean all the cops have changed as well.
Although I was blessed to be a fireman, I have personally witnessed the intense amount of shit that police officers have to put up with. The have my total respect.
To remain as calm as they do when they are knee deep in white trash assholes talking about what rights they have after beating the shit out of their wife and kid.
Man, I’d never be able to do it.
Shooting an innocent bystander in the heat of the fight, in a fuzzy situation, with the adrenaline pumping, is one thing.
Then covering it up with false statements, is another.
Shot 5 times in the back. That’s not a stray bullet or anything is it?
I threw in the second Amendment when I meant the fifth about the giving your name.
Mike
“Fixing” a speeding ticket isn’t a big deal? I know a few good cops too, so I do not hate all cops, just a large majority that I have met. Police officers today willingly go into a line of work which openly infringes on American liberties. They are essentially a revenue arm for a city. Anyone here who has gotten a speeding ticket for 4-6 mph over the limit knows exactly what I am talking about.
Cops go into a line of work that requires all but the few good cops to go attack our Bill of Rights. Example. If a police officer asks you your name, you are required by law to give it. This goes against the fifth amendment. They will break up people such as those assholes that protest military funerals, denying us our first amendment.
The BATF (the worst of the bunch) will throw you in jail for owning certain types of guns or having a little bayonet lug at one time, a true testament to our second amendment.The fourth amendment is all but nonexistant. In Washington state, internet poker is a FELONY. Who do you think enforces that law? Who do you think is there to evict folks from their home when it is taken by emminent domain? Who is undercover arresting drunks in BARS in Texas for the crime of public intoxication? Yes, it is true that the police don’t make the laws, but they WILLINGLY enforce them. For that alone, a great many are nothing more than modern day tories and enemies of the American people.
Mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
“Fixing” a speeding ticket isn’t a big deal? I know a few good cops too, so I do not hate all cops, just a large majority that I have met. Police officers today willingly go into a line of work which openly infringes on American liberties. They are essentially a revenue arm for a city. Anyone here who has gotten a speeding ticket for 4-6 mph over the limit knows exactly what I am talking about.[/quote]
That’s right… the “law abiding” citizen wasn’t wrong for going over the speed LIMIT. WTF dude? They broke the law, earned a ticket, and they deserve it, period.
There’s nothing wrong with protesting, but show some freakin’ respect to the families that just lost a loved one. You may not agree with the war, or the elected leaders who agreed to go… but at least show some support for the troops who are fighting in it. Do you think they wanted to die? Go protest somewhere else.
Again, what’s your point? Someone has to enforce the laws. If you think you can do it better… why not sign up? Would you rather have lawlessness? I’m sure you’d probably be one of the first people to cry fowl if something bad happened to you and no cop was around to help you. Everyone wants a cop around when they are in trouble, but no one wants one when they are not. Give me a break.
And by the way, it’s not a “right” it’s a privilege.
~V
Cops are people, and can make mistakes.
In my line of work, I sometimes get called into trial or must give testimony about this or that, and I have personally witnessed a Tallahassee Police Department officer lie baldfacedly under oath to a judge in a case I was involved with… just so he wouldn’t look bad, I guess. Anyway, the judge basically called bullshit and believed my testimony over his… maybe because I was telling the truth? 
Anyway, this same cop made the papers here a month later when he was suspended without pay for playing a prank with some tear gas grenades that ended up putting some neighborhood kids in the hospital.
Idiots happen. Doesn’t mean that other cops are the same.
I like to see them as a necessary evil. If people weren’t assholes to each other, we wouldn’t need them.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
“Fixing” a speeding ticket isn’t a big deal? I know a few good cops too, so I do not hate all cops, just a large majority that I have met. Police officers today willingly go into a line of work which openly infringes on American liberties. They are essentially a revenue arm for a city. Anyone here who has gotten a speeding ticket for 4-6 mph over the limit knows exactly what I am talking about.
Cops go into a line of work that requires all but the few good cops to go attack our Bill of Rights. Example. If a police officer asks you your name, you are required by law to give it. This goes against the fifth amendment. They will break up people such as those assholes that protest military funerals, denying us our first amendment.[/quote]
I hope your not talking about those assholes that fuck with the funerals of our fighting men and women. Standing around with signs saying “god hates fags” and Semper fags". That “reverend” should have his ass kicked for an hour, every day, for the rest of his life.
They should have no right to fuck with a family burying there children. Don’t even go there.
You have some serious authority issues.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
“Fixing” a speeding ticket isn’t a big deal? I know a few good cops too, so I do not hate all cops, just a large majority that I have met. Police officers today willingly go into a line of work which openly infringes on American liberties. They are essentially a revenue arm for a city. Anyone here who has gotten a speeding ticket for 4-6 mph over the limit knows exactly what I am talking about.
Cops go into a line of work that requires all but the few good cops to go attack our Bill of Rights. Example. If a police officer asks you your name, you are required by law to give it. This goes against the fifth amendment. They will break up people such as those assholes that protest military funerals, denying us our first amendment.
I hope your not talking about those assholes that fuck with the funerals of our fighting men and women. Standing around with signs saying “god hates fags” and Semper fags". That “reverend” should have his ass kicked for an hour, every day, for the rest of his life.
They should have no right to fuck with a family burying there children. Don’t even go there.
The BATF (the worst of the bunch) will throw you in jail for owning certain types of guns or having a little bayonet lug at one time, a true testament to our second amendment.The fourth amendment is all but nonexistant. In Washington state, internet poker is a FELONY. Who do you think enforces that law? Who do you think is there to evict folks from their home when it is taken by emminent domain? Who is undercover arresting drunks in BARS in Texas for the crime of public intoxication? Yes, it is true that the police don’t make the laws, but they WILLINGLY enforce them. For that alone, a great many are nothing more than modern day tories and enemies of the American people.
Mike
You have some serious authority issues.
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Big Flamer I must admit I have Authority issues my self. Our country was founded by people with authority issues. Peace
[quote]v10hanz wrote:
That’s right… the “law abiding” citizen wasn’t wrong for going over the speed LIMIT. WTF dude? They broke the law, earned a ticket, and they deserve it, period. [/quote]
Posted speed limits are well below that needed for safety. They are enforced rigorously not for the safety of others, but rather as a source of revenue for a city.
Are you saying that no matter how silly a law is we should follow it? I am glad that you are not a cop as I may get arrested for one of the countless laws on the books like whistling past a church on Sunday. I mean those people DID break the law right?
You are telling me that the first Amendment then exists only so long as the protesters do not hurt any feelings?
Who could enforce the laws? Geez, pehaps if we no longer lived in a nation of cowards then the citizenry could stand up. Why don’t I join? Simple: I am not going to pull over people for speeding tickets. I would refuse to evict a man from his house when emminent domain decides it is better suited as an office space for Viagra (Kelo v. New London). Sir, I refuse to be a tool for government oppression. Cops were once good people and they can be again. In fact I am sure most of them are good people particularly when they join. Unfortunately when a good person supports a system that spits on the constitution, that person becomes my enemy.
Mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Posted speed limits are well below that needed for safety. They are enforced rigorously not for the safety of others, but rather as a source of revenue for a city.
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Ever pull a sixteen year old kid and his buddy out of his car, both of them fucked up REAL bad, due to high rate of speed? And don’t forget that they aren’t the only patients that night. The other car, with the mom as a driver and her kid in the back, is recieving patient care from another crew.
Don’t like speed limits? too fucking bad.
Speed limits are a necessary evil I’m afraid. Even if it’s a little annoying to you.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
I hope your not talking about those assholes that fuck with the funerals of our fighting men and women. Standing around with signs saying “god hates fags” and Semper fags". That “reverend” should have his ass kicked for an hour, every day, for the rest of his life.
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That is precisely who I am talking about. He certainly does deserve an ass whooping, but maybe, just maybe we as citizens should step up and do our job. Businesses should shun him and refuse to sell him goods. People should be outside his house all hours letting him know he is an asshole.
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They should have no right to fuck with a family burying there children. Don’t even go there.[/quote]
Sir, I fought in that war. I lost one of my best friends there. But I fought, and he fought for freedom, not some weak ass dilluted form of freedom that is okay as long as no one has their feelings hurt.
So did Sam Adams.
Mike
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Posted speed limits are well below that needed for safety. They are enforced rigorously not for the safety of others, but rather as a source of revenue for a city.
Ever pull a sixteen year old kid and his buddy out of his car, both of them fucked up REAL bad, due to high rate of speed? And don’t forget that they aren’t the only patients that night. The other car, with the mom as a driver and her kid in the back, is recieving patient care from another crew.
Don’t like speed limits? too fucking bad.
Speed limits are a necessary evil I’m afraid. Even if it’s a little annoying to you.
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Your precious speed limits didn’t stop those kids from speeding did they? Besides, I am not advocating chaos on the road. I am merely relying on responsible cops to pull someone over if they are driving recklessly for the conditions as opposed to relying on an artificial number some guy in a suit thought sounded okay.
Mike
Don’t like speed limits?
Ride a bicycle ! ! !
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
I hope your not talking about those assholes that fuck with the funerals of our fighting men and women. Standing around with signs saying “god hates fags” and Semper fags". That “reverend” should have his ass kicked for an hour, every day, for the rest of his life.
That is precisely who I am talking about. He certainly does deserve an ass whooping, but maybe, just maybe we as citizens should step up and do our job. Businesses should shun him and refuse to sell him goods. People should be outside his house all hours letting him know he is an asshole. [/quote]
What is wrong with a government, representitive of the people, establishing laws to protect the rights of parents to bury their children in peace?
The scenario you described above is exactly what nutjobs like him want. Attention is their goal.
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They should have no right to fuck with a family burying there children. Don’t even go there.
Sir, I fought in that war. I lost one of my best friends there. But I fought, and he fought for freedom, not some weak ass dilluted form of freedom that is okay as long as no one has their feelings hurt. [/quote]
I respect and appreciate your service to this country, and I’m sorry that you lost your friend. But would you have wanted a herd of douchebags at his funeral denouncing him as a “fag”, in an army of “fags”?
I don’t think you would, and niether would I. Freedom, all forms of freedom, come with responsibility. If that responsibility is not met, such as violating the sanctity of parents burying their dead children, then I would expect the laws of a civilized society to prevent this. And yes, these laws would be carried out by the big bad police officers.
Freedom of speech does not meen freedom to harrass parents when they are burying their children.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
I hope your not talking about those assholes that fuck with the funerals of our fighting men and women. Standing around with signs saying “god hates fags” and Semper fags". That “reverend” should have his ass kicked for an hour, every day, for the rest of his life.
That is precisely who I am talking about. He certainly does deserve an ass whooping, but maybe, just maybe we as citizens should step up and do our job. Businesses should shun him and refuse to sell him goods. People should be outside his house all hours letting him know he is an asshole.
What is wrong with a government, representitive of the people, establishing laws to protect the rights of parents to bury their children in peace?
The scenario you described above is exactly what nutjobs like him want. Attention is their goal.
They should have no right to fuck with a family burying there children. Don’t even go there.
Sir, I fought in that war. I lost one of my best friends there. But I fought, and he fought for freedom, not some weak ass dilluted form of freedom that is okay as long as no one has their feelings hurt.
I respect and appreciate your service to this country, and I’m sorry that you lost your friend. But would you have wanted a herd of douchebags at his funeral denouncing him as a “fag”, in an army of “fags”?
I don’t think you would, and niether would I. Freedom, all forms of freedom, come with responsibility. If that responsibility is not met, such as violating the sanctity of parents burying their dead children, then I would expect the laws of a civilized society to prevent this. And yes, these laws would be carried out by the big bad police officers.
Freedom of speech does not meen freedom to harrass parents when they are burying their children.
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What is wrong with a government, representitive of the people, establishing laws to protect the rights of parents to bury their children in peace?
I do agree with you about the people being asshole.s but I disagree with you about creating laws that could be twisted into something that would not be good.
I will give you an example where I live the City passed an ordinance to ban alcohol in the City parks with out a permit. Why they did it was someone had a drunken party. So rather than arrest them for drunk and disorderly they created a new law. Now when I walk my dog if I get caught drinking a beer in the park I can get a ticket. I did watch the town council discussing the law. And it was not their intention. But that is the law now.