Well said. My goal is marriage for the sake of a companionable, passionate partnership serving God together in this crazy life.
Incoming rant, because I need to vent and also need a more objective view:
My confusion stems from the recognition that her behavior towards me changes after six weeks of dating. This is her consistent behavior each of the now four (yes, four!) times we’ve dated. We’ve known each other for 19 years, been everything from casual friends to seriously dating, and have dated now four times.
At first, things are amazing, but I’ve realized she emotionally retracts to the point she’s so distant, I forget we’re dating! For the first six weeks, she does all the what I consider normal girlfriend behaviors - looks forward to seeing me, leans against my arm when watching movies, shares private jokes and general goofiness when at restaurants or theaters, cuddles for hours and talks about how she feels protected and secure with me and how the physical chemistry is palpable.
But after six weeks or so, she retracts. We still get together, but she literally forgets to hug or kiss me hello, never says she missed me or is glad to see me, at times doesn’t listen when I talk and will actually cut me off and talk about some unrelated topic as if we’d just been silent; keeps conversation superficial and won’t talk about more intense or difficult topics… the list goes on. She says she wants to find her best friend, forever person, yadda yadda, but once we move into the confortable-companionable stage, it feels like she emotionally checks out.
Cuddling no longer makes her feel protected and wanted; now it’s the source of her shoulders and neck being out of place and needing professional massages twice a month. I pointed out the 180 in her attitude, she said she was just griping an cuddling is important to her, but two weeks later, when I tried to put my arm around her, I get a brusque “I know YOU want to hug, but I’m hot, and even your hand on my back is overheating me.”
Side bar - the physical connection is very important to me. She and I haven’t slept with each other (she’s a virgin, I’m not) and we want to wait for marriage with each other. Back to griping…
After six weeks of dating, she announced she’d want to put some sort of divider down the middle of the bed if we marry - as newlyweds, no less - so I don’t intrude on her sleep! Yes, sleep is important. So is being a never-before-married couple in the honeymoon phase!!
She said she doesn’t always understand how she feels about me, and she’s worried I’ll leave, so she’s hesitant to commit. Fair enough (maybe.)
But during a 4th of July barbecue with her family, she playfully tickled her brother-in-law’s of three years feet as he pretended to nap; stroked his shoulders with her fingertips while standing beside him; poured over tire reviews for her car (an activity he engaged in with her that afternoon after she tickled his feet, despite him knowing I’d been helping her research new tires) and, when her sister was out front, gave him a gripping hug at the end of the day, saying, “it was GREAT to see you, it’s been so long (it’d been 4 or 10 days), take care of yourself! I’ll see you soon.”
She’s doesn’t hug me with the intensity she hugged him and NEVER has so succinctly, clearly, and directly expressed her feelings for me.
And it goes on and on. She barely kisses me back when I kiss her. She claims she doesn’t want to push too far, which I’m ok with, but given all the other signals, it feels like she’s simply not into me.
Her bro in law looks like her dad, btw. And is a decade older.
At the end of the day, I feel like she talks out of both sides of her mouth. She says she wants a loving companionship relationship, presumably with me, but when we arrive at that point, she gets bored and starts to flirt with her bro in law.
Oh yeah, she and I have talked marriage several times tis summer (which I’m seeing is crazy, when I look at what I’ve written.) We haven’t gone ring shopping. But she relayed to me how, when visiting with her sister one night, they got to talking about rings. Her bro in law was there and listening. All of a sudden, she said he asked her what all she wants in a ring, then proceeded to pull up a dozen websites of rings that he thought she’d like. Without me being there, the three of them then spent the next two hours online shopping for rings I could buy her. She showed me all the different rings a few days later.
After she told me about that and showed me the rings, I went home, researched rings on my own, and found a dozen I liked that I figured she’d like too. A week later, I showed her what I’d found. Just like with conversations or my music or film preferences, she distractedly looked at a couple I’d found, then cut me off and showed me another slue of rings that she, her sister, and her bro in law had again researched! She and I have never set foot in a jewelry store together, and she’s sharing the ring shopping experience with her sister and bro in law INSTEAD of me!!!
Side bar - I’m NOT comfortable with how involved the bro in law is with my relationship, and I’m very uncomfortable with how energized she gets when talking to him and how she stroked his shoulders and tickled his feet. Twice this summer, he’s made jokes at her sister’s expense in front of the family that have hurt her sister. He plays it off as being a joke; her sister pretends to go along with it but is definitely wounded; and my girlfriend approvingly laughs at the jokes, saying “oooooh, that’s mean!” but in an approving way.
And I can’t talk about any of this with my girlfriend. She and he family have a weird denial thing going on. If I were to address the obvious crush, her and the family would all turn on me.
WHY THE HECK AM I DATING HER AGAIN OR EVEN STAYING FRIENDS?!?!
She changes after six weeks of dating. The behavior with her bro in law has unfolded over this summer, after they’ve all become comfortable around me again.
On the flip side, she and I have nearly two decades of history. I find her extremely attractive. She was there for me and very caring and helpful after my leg was crushed 18 years ago. I’m in a financial pit and my career is a mess because of my past injuries, but she hangs in there with me. She said she’d support me throughout the five months of bar prep if we get married. There are positive aspects to the relationship.
But her and her bro in law’s interactions creep me out. It feels like she likes but tolerates me, but I’m not the type of man she truly desires. I don’t like the emotionally detached climate the relationship always acquires. I don’t feel respected in various ways, and I can’t totally, unrestrictedly be myself.
Long, disjointed rambling over. If you slogged through, thanks for hanging in there.
Is my perception of her stroking her bro in law’s shoulders and tickling his feet total paranoia, or is that weird?
Any feedback and insights are most welcome and appreciated, including those of a couple women whose views I’ve come to respect, because women probably understand women more than men understand women.
@ChickenLittle @EmilyQ