I say it is very relevant since we are talking about the US military. I understand why you would be afraid to answer.
They weren’t Christians? You mean Queen Isabel of Castile was referred to as the Catholic in an ironic way?
Thanks for the detailed post.
I see you have though gone on a tangential ramble, and, of course, haven’t missed a chance to bring up Hitler. Or accuse me of being a “Jew-hater” or a “buddy” of Adolf Hitler.
It is a shame that in the light of facts, you resort to so many cliches - “canard” “Jew-hater” etc.
You have not provided any verifiable statistics, which is a shame. I’ll take that as an admission of defeat on your behalf. So it wasn’t a “canard” or “trope” after all.
Your last sentence “I have no idea of the accurate stats” would have sufficed as your follow up to “canards” and “fake news.”
Neither do you. No one does as they don’t exist. One thing you do know for sure is whether or not you served.
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FWIW my CO was Jewish.
As was this bat shit crazy Kiowa pilot/warrant officer who repeatedly picked us up when we got in trouble. He was offered “Protestant B” dog tags as cover, but refused bc (and I quote) “Nah, I might want to have Sadaam make me kosher meals.” Completely insane badass. Probably saved my life. First Jew I ever knew or met (that I knew was Jewish, any way).
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Dude I just did his Google search. It’s not hard. Looks like he copied his stats off the Wikipedia page on this issue. Are you lazy or stupid?
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No, the stats are clear (well, except for the pre-Revolutionary French-Indian War, which is a mess). And easily found. Heck, one link is already here.
He’s just afraid to type the search I gave him because it will destroy his world view.
A poster made claim of a “canard.”
I refuted the claim and provided the statistics for Jewish participation.
The other poster refuted this.
I asked for evidence.
The other poster provided none (or very little, to be generous).
I’m not “afraid.”
You have long since proven yourself incapable of asking personal questions in good faith.
Your question is also COMPLETELY irrelevant to the discussion.
As for your reference to “Queen Isabel” as an attempt to add ballast to your previous one word analysis of thousands of years of human behaviour; it is contemptibly poor.
Actually, it wouldn’t “destroy my world view.”
I’m interested in objective truth and viewing the world as such.
If you provide proof an accusation is a “canard” I will happily accept it.
As for @thefourthruffian’s charming question of if I am “lazy or stupid.”
Perhaps I am indeed the latter.
I specifically asked @Jewbacca to provide evidence that since 1776 - 1990, Jews were “over represented” in the US military. As that is the very specific claim that he made.
This would require very particular statistics.
I have read his link, and it provided zero of these.
I fully accept I could be “stupid”, in which case can either @Jewbacca or @thefourthruffian tell me where they actually are on the link. Or, being gentlemen no doubt, be so kind as to copy them into a post.
As it appears there are no such relevant statistics on the link.
Dude, just type it into Google.
First hit is WWII: jewish servicemembers accounted for 4.23 percent of all soldiers in the U.S. Armed Forces.”
Their population was somewhere around 2% starting around 1900.
So that is a 200% over representation.
You can do this with each war. It’s not hard — unless you are stupid or lazy.
I meant the current stats. We don’t know exactly how many Jews currently serve.
Ok, I get it you didn’t serve, it’s not a crime. It’s probably for the best as you are too emotionally fragile anyway.
Anyhow, if only one Jew in America serves, that’s more Jews serving than YOU. So stfu with your crying. You, who never served, are not in a position to criticize anyone else who doesn’t. If not serving is such a big deal and a sign of disloyalty, then go hang yourself for treason. Oh, and all those women, blacks, Hispanics, gays, etc. who serve are all better than you. And that’s using your logic. The posters here who served are all better than you. You really are a sad little schmuck.
Edit: I don’t want to forget the Indians who served/still serve. I learned a lot from one in particular on this forum.
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The burden of proof is not on me to justify another poster’s claim.
The claim was 1776-1990, Jews were permanently over represented in the US military.
Regarding your personal attempt to include some statistics:
In the 1940s, Jews comprised 3.7% of the national population. Not 2%. Please don’t post lazy or stupid stats, it muddies the waters.
(Link is blocked, but is an obvious one)
And, it is fair to state, it is hardly surprising Jews became involved in the WW2 effort, now is it.
“The Jewish Chaplains Council estimated…”
Estimated, thank you for proving my point to you. You’re welcome. Oh, and that’s still more Jews than you.
What about Japanese and Italian immigrants as well as Italian and Japanese Americans? You seem to have a chip on your shoulder for those who have demonstrated more patriotism than you.
Yes, you claimed Jews are military shirkers. Prove it.
I am sorry I expected too much of you. I get it that basic math is hard for some people.
Jewish participation in the US military from inception to 1895 is contained in historian Simon Wolf’s 1895 work “The American Jew as patriot, soldier and citizen”. This is cited in the Mark Twain article at the end. This work exists to refute lies of silly people like you.
Regarding the Civil War, in particular, you can also read this:
https://www.shapell.org/roster/about/
It was a painstaking review of Civil War records, and came up with a much higher participation rate than Simon Wolf, at least on the Union side because Simon was relying on partial records.
Presumably even you can figure out WWI on your own (just go to the Wikipedia page already cited). Interestingly, Jews contributed (per capita) the most combat soldiers on both sides of that conflict.
WWII is admitted by you.
I am too bored with you to do the math for Korea and Vietnam.
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Given the IDF’s routine victories, it’s almost funny racists don’t think we Jews are capable of fighting. You guys think we are simultaneously military shirkers and fierce barbarians who pick on defenseless Arabs. Pick one myth and stick with it. You can’t have both. The cognitive dissonance must be terrible.
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I know it says estimates LOL.
It can be fair to presume that in a very pro Jewish article such as this, its estimates are accurate and/or generous.
My understanding is that 15% of American infantry(? or service people overall) were of German ancestry. I don’t suppose the Bund influenced everyone. Canadian figures I don’t know just now.
A strange, disappointing post.
My claim was proven in my first post, with a relevant link full of statistics.
It is you who have made a series of subsequent claims, but without the relevant and verifiable stats.
You continue to use terms like “even you” and “racist.” I have used no insults to you, at all. Yet you use multiple toward me in every post. But then imply moral superiority?
I have never claimed or even indicated “Jews are incapable of fighting.”
- You made the claim that it is a “canard” that Jews are under represented in the US military.
- I posted an article, with statistics, showing their EXTREME under representation.
- You make huge counterclaim.
- I ask for evidence.
- You do not provide it.
That is how this conversation has gone.