Tlaib and Omar Barred from Israel

[pat]

@pfury

I have been in prior conversations with libertarian types who have gone on at lengths about how it doesn’t work like this.

Would be happy to see how it works, but I’m under the impression nomad living isn’t actually a legal option.

How Not to Pay Taxes: Four Legal Ways to Not Pay US Income Tax

See option #4

@pfury

You made it seem like it’s because military spending is optional. In what scenario is UHC not equally optional?

Actually, I would refer you to option 4 again.
However, I never said military spending is optional for the average citizen. What’s not optional under UHC is that you have to use the system, there is no other, at least according to Bernie’s plan.

@pfury

The concept of insurance is such that it covers average costs with a markup for profits. They’re directly tied

That’s a symptom of the problem, cost is the actual problem. If you can afford most medicines, then you don’t need insurance for that. A bag of saline at the hospital should not cost $200 but it does. It should cost $1.00, but it doesn’t. If it did, insurance would only be needed for extreme cases, which was the initial reason insurance came to exist at all. But they weaseled their way in to the drug companies and together they devised plans to dramatically drive up costs to screw consumers.
What I do not want to happen is for the government to make medical decisions for me, or refuse medical assistance because they may disagree with my life style. And I want to be able to choose who does my care.
Universal coverage sounds all nice, until your realize most doctors suck and you just made it harder to see one. Inevitably, the rich areas will have much better care than the poor areas and nothing was solved save for dramatic increase of government involvement in your life. So you solve nothing and make everything worse, while paying drastically higher taxes.
You throw in the X factor that medicine tends to have when new diseases hit the streets and you can take your projected CBO budget forecast and triple it. It’s always way more expensive than projected.

@pfury

Good luck. You have an entire industry (with more buying power) laughing at all attempts. And let’s face is attempts are rare these days. Even the GOP wants nothing to do with healthcare because they have no intent of doing anything.

That’s BS, even Trump has publicly announced that he’d like to have a plan to drive drug prices down. Obamacare dramatically increased costs across the board, it’s to everybody’s interest to start driving those prices down. It’s not as easy as flipping a light switch, but if everybody could put their hysteria away for a little while a multifaceted plan can be developed.
I have faith that the problem is solvable, since we know what the problem is. I don’t have faith that people will cooperate to fix it.
The worst problem of going all in on government, is that once it’s there, it cannot be gotten back. It’s a decision that cannot be undone. If they don’t get it exactly right, we will have untenable issues.

[pfury]

@TheCB

Success in society is not relative. Person A can be objectively more successful within society than Person B. E.g Person A is employed and has a family. Person B is in prison for murder.

You just described a situation where Person A is more successful relative to Person B. Was it supposed to be a disagreement?

@TheCB

what do you mean “if whites are benefitting from being white.”

I mean if White Supremacy is truly rooted in science, and is “correct.” Being white needs to provide benefit, otherwise they’re not the superior race.

@TheCB

“white interests [only concern] those that won’t be able to succeed.”

Fair point. They primarily concern those that won’t be able to succeed.

If you look at the top 10% of white people, you’ll see a distinct lack of people giving a shit about white interests (hint: they don’t need them).

@TheCB

ideas of liberty are quite clearly “white ideas.”

I specifically said white interests.

@pat

See option #4

Myth 5: I will never have to file a US tax return again!

You may still need to file a US non-resident return if you have US sourced income such as rental property, social security (withholding), or pension (withholding).

Furthermore, you will be considered a US resident for tax purposes if you meet the substantial presence test. If you are in the US over 183 days over a 3 year period (number of days in current year, 1/3 days in previous year, 1/6 days in year before the previous) you are subject to US taxation.

@pat

What’s not optional under UHC is that you have to use the system

That’s not what I’ve seen from any ACTUAL UHC on the planet. Can you link me to a country where using it is mandated?

Do you go to jail if you don’t use it? Pay a fine? Where’s the “not optional” part?

@pat

That’s a symptom of the problem, cost is the actual problem.

Rising insurance costs are a symptom of rising prices, not the other way around. It’s how the entire concept of insurance works.

@pat

So you solve nothing

I think, bare minimum, it solves the problem of people without insurance, right? NOTHING might be extreme.

@pat

That’s BS, even Trump has publicly announced that he’d like to have a plan to drive drug prices down.

Oh golly grandpa. I heard I can keep my doctor too! YAY FOR PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS WITH NO ACTUAL WORKKKKKK.

@pat

put their hysteria away for a little while a multifaceted plan can be developed.

Republicans had a decade. Where’s that plan mate?

@pat

The worst problem of going all in on government, is that once it’s there, it cannot be gotten back. It’s a decision that cannot be undone. If they don’t get it exactly right, we will have untenable issues.

This is how I feel about military spending, so I feel ya.

[TheCB]

• My example of Person A and B was meant to show that one was an objective success, regardless of the other. Person B was a relative failure, but also an objective failure.
• White ideas can be synonymous with interests. E.g. liberty.
• I have many issues with your WS comment, but will keep to one. Clearly “being white” does bring benefits. E.g. people from every society on Earth try to live with whites. This is not replicated with any other race. Why?
• “Top 10%… don’t give a shit.” I’d dispute this by illustrating the top 10%’s desire to live in white majority areas, which is replicated by whites across the world. Whites may SAY they “don’t give a shit,” but their behaviour shows otherwise.

[pfury]

@TheCB

My example of Person A and B was meant to show that one was an objective success, regardless of the other. Person B was a relative failure, but also an objective failure.

They were only a failure because person A existed. If you compare person B to person C & D, whom are both captive terrorists forced to eat big Bob’s cockmeat sandwich once a day, suddenly person B looks HELLA successful.

@TheCB

White ideas can be synonymous with interests. E.g. liberty.

Then my statement is retracted. I interpret the phrase ‘white interests’ to mean things that primarily interest, or primarily provide value, to whites.

@TheCB

Why?

Because whites spent a significant more portion of history winning armed conflict compared to other races. That naturally boosts every societal marker.

@TheCB

Top 10%… don’t give a shit

This statement is also retracted as it’s connected to my interpretation of white interests

[zecarlo]

@pfury

Because whites spent a significant more portion of history winning armed conflict compared to other races.

Well duh, how many of those wars were against the French? That’s an easy way to skew the numbers in favor of whites.

[TheCB]

• Person B is still an objective failure, even if everyone else on Earth were a captive terrorist. He would be a relative success but an objective failure.

• “Because whites spent a significant more portion of history winning armed conflict compared to other races. That naturally boosts every societal marker.”

• There are innumerable issues with this statement. But I’ll show one.

• Ireland has never been in armed conflict with any other race. Yet Ireland has a MASSIVE influx of Africans moving there. Why don’t these Africans move to the Middle East, which is geographically nearer, culturally similar, and in most cases, wealthier. Why do they try their hardest to move to Ireland (or Sweden or Finland or Norway, other countries which haven’t fought anyone in thousands of years?)

[zecarlo]

Someone needs to tell that clown that Ireland was part of the UK and part of it still is.

[TheCB]

Hilarious.

So infinity Africans should move to Ireland because Ireland was once under the yoke of the British Empire.

That is a stretch, even for you.

[pat]

@pfury

Myth 5: I will never have to file a US tax return again!

You may still need to file a US non-resident return if you have US sourced income

If you are a caveman living off the land, you are not sourcing income, unless you are considering squirrel pelts as income.

@pfury

That’s not what I’ve seen from any ACTUAL UHC on the planet. Can you link me to a country where using it is mandated?

Do you go to jail if you don’t use it? Pay a fine? Where’s the “not optional” part?

I am going by Bernie’s plan. I don’t know what he would do to non-compliant people.

Bernie Sanders’s Medicare-for-all plan, explained

“It would bar employers from offering separate plans that compete with this new, government-run option. It would largely sunset Medicare and Medicaid, transitioning their enrollees into the new universal plan. It would, however, allow two existing health systems to continue to operate as they do now: the Veterans Affairs health system and the Indian Health Services.”

@pfury

Rising insurance costs are a symptom of rising prices, not the other way around. It’s how the entire concept of insurance works.

That’s what I said.

@pfury

I think, bare minimum, it solves the problem of people without insurance, right? NOTHING might be extreme.

No. At bare minimum anybody can walk into an emergency room and get free care. So we technically already have something like this. It’s not ideal and it’s the excuse the medical industry uses for driving up prices, even though those occurrences are relatively rare where someone pay absolutely nothing.

@pfury

Oh golly grandpa. I heard I can keep my doctor too! YAY FOR PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS WITH NO ACTUAL WORKKKKKK.

You said healthcare wasn’t even on the GOP radar, this is an example of showing that’s not true.

@pfury

Republicans had a decade. Where’s that plan mate?

Democrats gave us Obamacare, I would have preferred nothing. My costs went through the roof.

[zecarlo]

The US let starving, uneducated and criminal Irish in, so why would I have an issue with Ireland letting immigrants in?

[TheCB]

Lol, yet another victory for me there with my last post.

You seem to be suggesting that the Africans moving to Ireland are “starving, uneducated and criminal.”

Seems extremely racist of you.

[zecarlo]

You are free to believe that.

[TheCB]

I make a post about Africans in Ireland.

Your response is but look at how scummy these Irish were!!

Why are you looking for equivalence between “starving, uneducated and criminal” Irish and Africans?

You do so because you are a racist toward Africans.

The logical conclusion to draw.

[loppar]

@pat

The Palestinian position requires the destruction of Israel. If we could at least move the needle from demanding the destruction of Israel, to tolerate Israel existing, a peace agreement can be worked out and the border issues are minor in comparison.

Dude, you’re not even reading my posts. Do me a favor and reread them. Israel cannot accept a two state solution because the IDF cannot withdraw from the banks of the river Jordan as it’s crucial for Israel’s security.

So it’s not “minor border issues” but the entire concept of a Palestine state in the “two state solution” which means that in practice it’s not acceptable for Israel. Add to that settlements and settler/military roads bisecting Palestinian territory and you’ve got just a bunch mutually isolated enclaves that at best can have local self governance.

[zecarlo]

You don’t need to summarize, I was there.

[TheCB]

If only I could send a friend request.

[pfury]

@TheCB

He would be a relative success but an objective failure.

And I would agree with that. I’m guessing prisoners C & D would disagree. They’d be real happy to put down the sandwich.

@TheCB

Ireland has never been in armed conflict with any other race

Ireland isn’t a race. This immediately fell apart.

[TheCB]

Sigh, my point is obvious.

Ireland is a white majority nation which has never been in conflict with large areas of the world.

So on what basis do blacks wish to move there? Why do blacks view Ireland as superior?

[zecarlo]

The food, weather and heroin.

[pfury]

@TheCB

my point is obvious.

Your point doesn’t exist, from what I can tell

@TheCB

Ireland is a white majority nation which has never been in conflict with large areas of the world.

Again, what does Ireland matter? Are you under the impression that Irish people saw no gain from the innovation and security of other white people in the region?

White people won wars. White people were more willing to share advancements with other white people. It’s not a hard concept