But, how are you relating doing push-ups with increasing your bench?
Now, I will say there will be minor carry over and it would probably help, but not to the degree it seems you’re stating.
Usually people end of giving credit to one single thing when in reality there were a multitude of factors at play.
Point being, pushups for a trained individual will do little to nothing at increasing the bench press more than a few pounds. There’s just not enough resistance to cause a strength increase, rather it’s more muscular endurance for a trained individual who can crank out more than 10 reps without a challenge.
And, I don’t care if it worked for YOU, you’re still human and are still bound by the physiology of the human body. Sometimes I get tired of these statements “it worked for me”, as if the person is some unique individual.
[quote]MarineStrong_Zm wrote:
Alright fellas gonna lay it out here. I have a dominant lower body and damn proud. A good 500 pound parallel squat. A 450-500 deadlift.(maxed out at 450 but felt like I could have done alot more.)But a lousy 235 pound bench.
Now the summers coming and im doing nothing but lifting and getting ready for football. Which program would suit me better to get that bench up Bills5x5 or Chads TBT?[/quote]
would be curious what you were doing as far as an exercise program prior to you starting a new one as i am curious what led to your weak chest —is it because your current program is out of balance? Out of balance can mean a number of things including body parts that supplement the chest. I cant say what the cause is and really cant give advice as you give no history of what program you were following. It might be helpful to posters if you post the program you were following as i think we are otherwise shooting in the dark.
How many times do you work chest per week and what is your current routine, this would help for further advice? i also agree w/ yoga, pushups, pushups and more pushups. I do them on my off days but not to the point where you wear yourself out with them.
If you suspect that your triceps are your problem, lockouts, floor press and dips are all things to consider. Also, any close grip benching. Push ups are okay but I doubt on their own if they would add all that much.
What point of your lift is it that you stall? How exactly do you set up?
Finally, this sounds way too simple but to improve your bench, you must bench. Going back to what CT was saying about neural drive.
[quote]yogaroots wrote:
Congrats on your lift, 485 is phenomenal. I’m not there.
The point I was making is that push-ups helped me since I’ve added them into my workout.The key word there is ME.
What is so wrong with passing along a suggestion. I know my body/workouts better than anyone else would. Again, I’m not saying they would work for everybody or anybody.
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No problem making suggestions, but you stated in the earlier post that the military uses them because they build strength. My problem with that is that the military uses them to build functional strength for the average joe, not to build a strong bench, and unless someone had never done much bench work at all they should not expect to build a strong bench press from doing all the pushups going into the military. Will a few push-ups on your off days help? Maybe, just don’t go overboard and impeed recovery time.
And while you say they have helped you, they may have, they may not have. In your post here http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1991143 you said you were benching 235 in march. That isn’t exactly a strong bench for your bodyweight, but you also said you had a strong incline in that post, so you obviously had either some serious form issues or some muscular imbalances. Now you say you are benching 315. First of all, that is astonishing gain in 3 months, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Can you honestly say that it was due to pushups or correcting the previously mentioned issues? I’m not trying to flame you, but let’s get real here…
As far as the authors well, there are some very good ones that I respect greatly, but I will say this, when you read an article, scroll down to the bottom and click the link to the authors blog and find out a little about them. I personally would take an article about bench press from an author that bences less than me with a grain of salt. I personally try to take my advice from people who have done what it is my goal to do, and I also make it a point to never give advice on what I haven’t done…
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Yogaroots, not a flame here.
But, how are you relating doing push-ups with increasing your bench?
Now, I will say there will be minor carry over and it would probably help, but not to the degree it seems you’re stating.
Usually people end of giving credit to one single thing when in reality there were a multitude of factors at play.
Point being, pushups for a trained individual will do little to nothing at increasing the bench press more than a few pounds. There’s just not enough resistance to cause a strength increase, rather it’s more muscular endurance for a trained individual who can crank out more than 10 reps without a challenge.
And, I don’t care if it worked for YOU, you’re still human and are still bound by the physiology of the human body. Sometimes I get tired of these statements “it worked for me”, as if the person is some unique individual.[/quote]
we are all unique individulas…my little brother is ripped and he eats garbage, and he’s not young. that works for HIM. the average person can’t be ripped and eat the way he does. so we are all unique.
[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
Congrats on your lift, 485 is phenomenal. I’m not there.
The point I was making is that push-ups helped me since I’ve added them into my workout.The key word there is ME.
What is so wrong with passing along a suggestion. I know my body/workouts better than anyone else would. Again, I’m not saying they would work for everybody or anybody.
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No problem making suggestions, but you stated in the earlier post that the military uses them because they build strength. My problem with that is that the military uses them to build functional strength for the average joe, not to build a strong bench, and unless someone had never done much bench work at all they should not expect to build a strong bench press from doing all the pushups going into the military. Will a few push-ups on your off days help? Maybe, just don’t go overboard and impeed recovery time.
And while you say they have helped you, they may have, they may not have. In your post here http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1991143 you said you were benching 235 in march. That isn’t exactly a strong bench for your bodyweight, but you also said you had a strong incline in that post, so you obviously had either some serious form issues or some muscular imbalances. Now you say you are benching 315. First of all, that is astonishing gain in 3 months, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Can you honestly say that it was due to pushups or correcting the previously mentioned issues? I’m not trying to flame you, but let’s get real here…
As far as the authors well, there are some very good ones that I respect greatly, but I will say this, when you read an article, scroll down to the bottom and click the link to the authors blog and find out a little about them. I personally would take an article about bench press from an author that bences less than me with a grain of salt. I personally try to take my advice from people who have done what it is my goal to do, and I also make it a point to never give advice on what I haven’t done…
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I’ll let this rest, you clearly know more about me than I do.
[quote]yogaroots wrote:
I’ll let this rest, you clearly know more about me than I do.[/quote]
It isn’t personal man, but the simple act of adding pushups into your routine will not add 80lbs to your bench in 3 months. Letting these younger guys who come on here looking for answers think it will, would be irresponsible.
[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
I’ll let this rest, you clearly know more about me than I do.
It isn’t peronal man, but the simple act of adding pushups into your routine will not add 80lbs to your bench in 3 months. Letting these younger guys who come on here looking for answers think it will, would be irresponsible.[/quote]
Quoting Yoga:
“Give it a shot. The worst that will happen is after a month trying them you’ll be wherever you are now.”
Doesn’t sound like an irresponsible statement to me.
“Give it a shot. The worst that will happen is after a month trying them you’ll be wherever you are now.”
Doesn’t sound like an irresponsible statement to me.[/quote]
That wasn’t what I was talking about. He attributed his gains to ONLY push-ups. He stated he is up to 315 now. In his other thread about his Incline press being stronger than his bench press, he stated he was benching 235 in march.
In reality, no one really knows why the orginal posters chest is the weak link. The original poster talks about starting bill starrs 5 x 5; however, what was op doing prior to the 5 x 5 - maybe nothing for chest…or maybe op was only doing pushups.
“Give it a shot. The worst that will happen is after a month trying them you’ll be wherever you are now.”
Doesn’t sound like an irresponsible statement to me.
That wasn’t what I was talking about. He attributed his gains to ONLY push-ups. He stated he is up to 315 now. In his other thread about his Incline press being stronger than his bench press, he stated he was benching 235 in march.
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When did I say ONLY. Of course you’d have to add them into your existing routine. I figured that was a given. I’ll make sure to be clear on things here from now on.
[quote]BF Bullpup wrote:
jstreet0204 wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
I’ll let this rest, you clearly know more about me than I do.
It isn’t peronal man, but the simple act of adding pushups into your routine will not add 80lbs to your bench in 3 months. Letting these younger guys who come on here looking for answers think it will, would be irresponsible.
Quoting Yoga:
“Give it a shot. The worst that will happen is after a month trying them you’ll be wherever you are now.”
Doesn’t sound like an irresponsible statement to me.[/quote]
Thanks…seriously. I’m glad somebody here knows how to read.
