[quote]Darren1995 wrote:
where could you get these from as im in Wales and a student so budget is limited 
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Hardware store would be good, or a tractor supply store, or something that deals with shipping/freight.
[quote]Zooguido wrote:
could you not just use the safety bars in the rack if youāre trying to do partials?[/quote]
Iām not a fan of it, mainly because the set up is terrible with pins. With chains, you can wiggle your way under the bar and set yourself up to squat the way you would normally, like I do here
With pins, you have to squat under the bar rather than be able to push it forward and roll under it. Iāve cramped up massively trying this in the past, and you really kill any chance of being explosive under the weight in my experience.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]Zooguido wrote:
could you not just use the safety bars in the rack if youāre trying to do partials?[/quote]
Iām not a fan of it, mainly because the set up is terrible with pins. With chains, you can wiggle your way under the bar and set yourself up to squat the way you would normally, like I do here
With pins, you have to squat under the bar rather than be able to push it forward and roll under it. Iāve cramped up massively trying this in the past, and you really kill any chance of being explosive under the weight in my experience.[/quote]
that is crazy weight your doing there 
i have actually noticed the couple of times i have tried them feeling more in my lower back than anything
what do you guys think of olympic atg squat versus powerlifting squat ? which is better in terms of strength and benefits for mass etc
Your going to start a war with that question bro, but here goes. Personaly as a strength coach I start guys of with PLing style squat, the bar not to low or to high on the back, I like it to sit on top of rear delts, about 3" below base of the neck, thereās a shelf there if you can find it.
when held properly should be able to slide a finger down between bar and spine, you have to play around to find this spot, but everyone has it. I also teach beginers to squat down about 2-5" below parelle depending on how theyāre built. The cues at first are to push the butt back, and then squat down trying to keep weight on the heal, and posterior chain, try to keep lower leg fairly upright.
The reason I start this way is because most people have the tendancy from the start to squat off theyāre toes. I like them to learn and get strong at PLing style first, then once a certain level of strength is reached (double body weight) you can start using different squatting techniques to target weak and stong areas.
High bar squats with the weight on the ball of the foot places a greater part of the load on the quad (better for BBing) and is a completely different animal, I,ve found when guys start this way, if they can do it properly, they tend to build big quads quickly, and theyāre postieror chain falls behind, this is hard to fix, beter to play catch up with the quads, than vice versa, this is what Iāve found.
Oly squats are a great move, and have theyāre place, but I feel itās better to perfect your form on PL style first, Iām sure other people feel differently, but thats what Iāve found after 20yrs. 2cents
[quote]Darren1995 wrote:
what do you guys think of olympic atg squat versus powerlifting squat ? which is better in terms of strength and benefits for mass etc [/quote]
There is no āversusā here. Do them both. Youāll never be put in a situation where you can only do one.
Not much to add, other than Pwnisher is maybe the most underappreciated poster on this entire site.
stumbled across vid I thought was interesting, and relavent, also agree with pwnisher on both, and on him being great poster - YouTube
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]Darren1995 wrote:
what do you guys think of olympic atg squat versus powerlifting squat ? which is better in terms of strength and benefits for mass etc [/quote]
There is no āversusā here. Do them both. Youāll never be put in a situation where you can only do one.[/quote]
very true im gonna start using both instead of just olympic squats
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Not much to add, other than Pwnisher is maybe the most underappreciated poster on this entire site. [/quote]
Much appreciated. I try to give back.
Few things that has helped me a lot is various jumps, Weighted jump squats & speed squats. I feel much more explosive and less grindy during the concentric portion of the squat
[quote]dlee34 wrote:
Few things that has helped me a lot is various jumps, Weighted jump squats & speed squats. I feel much more explosive and less grindy during the concentric portion of the squat[/quote]
ive tried jumps they helped so im gonna include them again , speed squats ive never tried because if i use 50% its only 85kg it doesnt feel like it benefits me and jump squats if you recommend them im always willing to try
oh btw we seem to have very similar physical stats like weighing 80kg whats your lifts like ? 
[quote]Darren1995 wrote:
[quote]dlee34 wrote:
Few things that has helped me a lot is various jumps, Weighted jump squats & speed squats. I feel much more explosive and less grindy during the concentric portion of the squat[/quote]
ive tried jumps they helped so im gonna include them again , speed squats ive never tried because if i use 50% its only 85kg it doesnt feel like it benefits me and jump squats if you recommend them im always willing to try
oh btw we seem to have very similar physical stats like weighing 80kg whats your lifts like ? :)[/quote]
Yeah use about 20% of your max back squat for the weighted jump squats and aim to be explosive with that weight. My vertical jump is noticeably higher to.
Um Best lifts so far are:
Bench press: 140kg
Back Squat (High bar): 175kg
Front Squat: 165kg
Trap Bar Deadlift: 220kg (Like on my avatar)
Power Clean & Push Press (Not Squat Clean & Jerk) - 110kg
Snatch High Pull From blocks - 115kg
Barbell Deadlift - 200kg (Havenāt Done a barbell deadlift since the first half of last year)
Nothing too impressive but decent I suppose lol and my weight is hovering below 80kg now adays because Iām aiming to get leaner. Tbh I only started squatting again 4 months ago as I was using the trap bar deadlift as my main leg lift but It didnāt do anything have any transfer to my squat at all. I was following CTs layer system at the time which is an awesome program to increase strength fast.
[quote]dlee34 wrote:
[quote]Darren1995 wrote:
[quote]dlee34 wrote:
Few things that has helped me a lot is various jumps, Weighted jump squats & speed squats. I feel much more explosive and less grindy during the concentric portion of the squat[/quote]
ive tried jumps they helped so im gonna include them again , speed squats ive never tried because if i use 50% its only 85kg it doesnt feel like it benefits me and jump squats if you recommend them im always willing to try
oh btw we seem to have very similar physical stats like weighing 80kg whats your lifts like ? :)[/quote]
Yeah use about 20% of your max back squat for the weighted jump squats and aim to be explosive with that weight. My vertical jump is noticeably higher to.
Um Best lifts so far are:
Bench press: 140kg
Back Squat (High bar): 175kg
Front Squat: 165kg
Trap Bar Deadlift: 220kg (Like on my avatar)
Power Clean & Push Press (Not Squat Clean & Jerk) - 110kg
Snatch High Pull From blocks - 115kg
Barbell Deadlift - 200kg (Havenāt Done a barbell deadlift since the first half of last year)
Nothing too impressive but decent I suppose lol and my weight is hovering below 80kg now adays because Iām aiming to get leaner. Tbh I only started squatting again 4 months ago as I was using the trap bar deadlift as my main leg lift but It didnāt do anything have any transfer to my squat at all. I was following CTs layer system at the time which is an awesome program to increase strength fast.
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there good your alittle ahead on bench and squat but i outdeadlift you , how old are you ? im 17 only been training properly a year
[quote]Darren1995 wrote:
[quote]dlee34 wrote:
[quote]Darren1995 wrote:
[quote]dlee34 wrote:
Few things that has helped me a lot is various jumps, Weighted jump squats & speed squats. I feel much more explosive and less grindy during the concentric portion of the squat[/quote]
ive tried jumps they helped so im gonna include them again , speed squats ive never tried because if i use 50% its only 85kg it doesnt feel like it benefits me and jump squats if you recommend them im always willing to try
oh btw we seem to have very similar physical stats like weighing 80kg whats your lifts like ? :)[/quote]
Yeah use about 20% of your max back squat for the weighted jump squats and aim to be explosive with that weight. My vertical jump is noticeably higher to.
Um Best lifts so far are:
Bench press: 140kg
Back Squat (High bar): 175kg
Front Squat: 165kg
Trap Bar Deadlift: 220kg (Like on my avatar)
Power Clean & Push Press (Not Squat Clean & Jerk) - 110kg
Snatch High Pull From blocks - 115kg
Barbell Deadlift - 200kg (Havenāt Done a barbell deadlift since the first half of last year)
Nothing too impressive but decent I suppose lol and my weight is hovering below 80kg now adays because Iām aiming to get leaner. Tbh I only started squatting again 4 months ago as I was using the trap bar deadlift as my main leg lift but It didnāt do anything have any transfer to my squat at all. I was following CTs layer system at the time which is an awesome program to increase strength fast.
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there good your alittle ahead on bench and squat but i outdeadlift you , how old are you ? im 17 only been training properly a year
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Nice man, I need to start deadlifting again so I can keep up with everyone else lol. I think Its awesome youāre nearly lifting as much as me despite not training as long as I have. Iām currently 18 and I have been training for about 4 years. The first 2 years was spent at my school gym, but the crap thing was I was limited to train 3 days a week with 30 minutes of my lunch break and my workouts was the typical ābro kindā curls, bench etc. But the last 2 years were my serious training years which has given me a huge percentage of my gains.
[quote]dlee34 wrote:
[quote]Darren1995 wrote:
[quote]dlee34 wrote:
[quote]Darren1995 wrote:
[quote]dlee34 wrote:
Few things that has helped me a lot is various jumps, Weighted jump squats & speed squats. I feel much more explosive and less grindy during the concentric portion of the squat[/quote]
ive tried jumps they helped so im gonna include them again , speed squats ive never tried because if i use 50% its only 85kg it doesnt feel like it benefits me and jump squats if you recommend them im always willing to try
oh btw we seem to have very similar physical stats like weighing 80kg whats your lifts like ? :)[/quote]
Yeah use about 20% of your max back squat for the weighted jump squats and aim to be explosive with that weight. My vertical jump is noticeably higher to.
Um Best lifts so far are:
Bench press: 140kg
Back Squat (High bar): 175kg
Front Squat: 165kg
Trap Bar Deadlift: 220kg (Like on my avatar)
Power Clean & Push Press (Not Squat Clean & Jerk) - 110kg
Snatch High Pull From blocks - 115kg
Barbell Deadlift - 200kg (Havenāt Done a barbell deadlift since the first half of last year)
Nothing too impressive but decent I suppose lol and my weight is hovering below 80kg now adays because Iām aiming to get leaner. Tbh I only started squatting again 4 months ago as I was using the trap bar deadlift as my main leg lift but It didnāt do anything have any transfer to my squat at all. I was following CTs layer system at the time which is an awesome program to increase strength fast.
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there good your alittle ahead on bench and squat but i outdeadlift you , how old are you ? im 17 only been training properly a year
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Nice man, I need to start deadlifting again so I can keep up with everyone else lol. I think Its awesome youāre nearly lifting as much as me despite not training as long as I have. Iām currently 18 and I have been training for about 4 years. The first 2 years was spent at my school gym, but the crap thing was I was limited to train 3 days a week with 30 minutes of my lunch break and my workouts was the typical ābro kindā curls, bench etc. But the last 2 years were my serious training years which has given me a huge percentage of my gains. [/quote]
thankyou my friend it means alot , yeah love deadlifts myself its always come easy unlike squats haha , ah im 18 in 2 months, oh yeah show muscles guns haha well i was quite lucky my gym is like mainly olympic lifting kind of anti bro which was good starting out 
ah what dya train powerlifting mainly ? or a mix and if you dont mind asking your goals? cause where im from not alot of guys my age are serious about training which is odd
Haha nice I wish I started out in the same place you did, especially when you have teachers telling you not to squat deep because it will cause injuries to your knees or deadlift too much because you will mess up your back. Iāve been training to be strong & explosive for the last year but now I want to try something different now to mix things up and try bodybuilding. Iāve started ācuttingā in the last 6 weeks because I didnāt pay too much attention to diet so Iām carrying a fair bit of extra flab. I will still incorporate explosive & strength work because I love simply love lifting heavy shit lol. What are you goals right now? Any numbers youād want to hit on your big lifts by the end of this year?
[quote]dlee34 wrote:
Haha nice I wish I started out in the same place you did, especially when you have teachers telling you not to squat deep because it will cause injuries to your knees or deadlift too much because you will mess up your back. Iāve been training to be strong & explosive for the last year but now I want to try something different now to mix things up and try bodybuilding. Iāve started ācuttingā in the last 6 weeks because I didnāt pay too much attention to diet so Iām carrying a fair bit of extra flab. I will still incorporate explosive & strength work because I love simply love lifting heavy shit lol. What are you goals right now? Any numbers youād want to hit on your big lifts by the end of this year?[/quote]
wow haha i bet that annoyed you though and tbh i was quite lucky when i started i had ray williams as a coach an ex gold medallist in the commenwealth games in weightlifting , ah go for it man good luck , eveybody loves lifting heavy its amazing,
urm obviously lift my squat and i really really wanna pull 250kg by my 18th which is 2 months away what about you ?
So let me get this straight. You are 17 something, have/had an ex-pro olympic weightlifter as coach, been training for 1 year, and you are asking how to get your squat up?
Well,ā¦