Tiki Barber for President!

[pookie]

[quote]vroom wrote:
Who says that is exactly what we are arguing about?

Is there a rule somewhere that I missed that said we were only allowed to discuss whatever the hell it was you and thunderboy decided to focus on?[/quote]

Why the fuck do you keep replying to both of us if you want to discuss something else?

Go start a “Vroom Preaches From His Stump” thread and quit replying to our posts with non sequiturs.

It should be pretty fucking obvious that this isn’t what I’ve been talking about. I’m actually not interested in the answer to that, per se, as it is very difficult to ascertain.

Difficult to ascertain? Are you serious? You think that the statement “Whenever a white man calls a black man ‘articulate’ the white man is being condescending?” is hard to ascertain? You read that and find it has merit?

And don’t come back again with “yes, but in some cases…” we’re not talking about a particular case, but of the general rule.

However, I’ve written quite a few times that nuthunter should get some leeway because he’s comparing this guy to the president, who’s completely lacking in an ability to speak.

If this whole thing had been about HH, this thread would be listed on page 5 by now.

So, if the discussion is about that issue, as you say, why the fuck are we still talking about it? Should I repeat that above paragraph or forth or fifth time?

We’re talking about it because it touches on wider issues. Right? Things that come up here from time to time and are seemingly invisible to some people (relax thunderboy, not necessarily anyone in this thread).

Why don’t you start a thread that clearly says what it is you want to talk about?

I’d be a lot easier for everyone than to have you replying to us while pretending the topic is something else than what we’re reading.

Racism and racial bias piss me off. I don’t give a shit if you want to hear about it, or if thunderboy wants to hear about it, my friends are affected by it. I’ve even seen mean spirited racism applied to a friend of mine here in the forums.

Boo-fucking-hoo. Go start your thread and make your case there. Or at the very least stop framing your insipid rants as responses to us.

So, while it is nobody in this thread, perhaps, some retards are still out there actively making the world a worse place.

That’s great. It’s no one in this thread, but hey, what does it matter right?

If you have a beef with some retards, take it up with them. Send them a PM. Hell, call’em out in the thread title.

julia87 has a whole thread dedicated to rambling randomly about how icky everyone feels. Take it there.

Excuse me for standing up for something I believe in. Yes, I’m fully prepared to be made fun of for thinking I need to educate the world or whatever the hell else is thrown my way.

If you’re such a stand up guy, why don’t you go and educate whoever it is who got your panties in such a knot?

[thunderbolt23]

[quote]vroom wrote:

Psst, Thunderboy, AlDurr raises a good point. In this case, this instance, we are talking about the ravings of Nuthunter, so I’d be careful standing up and saying that there is no chance of racial nonsense being involved.[/quote]

No, actually you and Al Durr were talking about it. I originally started objecting to Harris’ point of general usage of the compliment ‘articulate’ as categorically condescending, which he made. I have not discussed Headhunter’s motive or what he posted. Vroom thinks Vroom is brilliant - surely you can figure out that my comments have been narrowly tailored to Harris’ earlier comment, and not whether Headhunter himself was guilty of acting with a racist pretense?

Surely? No?

Other than that, you’re attitude smacks of arrogance and a complete lack of understanding that certain types of compliments almost always have to be analyzed for both intent and the underlying expectation or belief.

Here we go, yet again - as I said earlier, we are talking about this specific compliment used generally, not all compliments in the abstract.

Believe it or not, but that is what is happening in the world all the time. You and Pookie are both sounding like naive little altar boys who have no fucking clue.

How can that be when both of us acknowledge that some compliments are not sincere and reflect an ulterior motive? How many times must I say it?

Yes, yes, I know, you admit that this happens, some mythical percentage of the time, but you deny every individual incident could possibly have any type of bias involved. Is there an issue in this case, I honestly don’t know. Neither do you!

Well, none of us can know, but, dumbass, we aren’t arguing knowledge - we arguing about presumptions. Presumptions definitionally are based on a lack of knowledge. None of us will ever know what the complimenting person is really thinking, unless they volunteer to tell us - we are talking about the automatic presumption of racism, not whether or not you know what the guy is thinking.

Seriously, Vroom - you peddle yourself to the world as this deep thinker, but you can’t even keep the basic distinctions of what we are talking about.

[vroom]

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Who conceded anything?

That you can’t resist the urge to lecture someone on something even when there is nothing to lecture on in hopes of sounding authoritative?

Is that what I conceded? Because that is what I said.[/quote]

LOL.

Maybe if you didn’t assume you were the center or the universe, or discussion, you wouldn’t take so much offense when people have something to say about an issue.

[Headhunter]

[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Edders wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why can’t we have an intelligent, articulate gentleman like this man for president? His list of accomplishments is stellar and he is a brilliant communicator.

United Talent Agency

Headhunter I have to agree with you. The guy is a class act, Oops, was that a racist statement?

Actually, if you are sincere (I am assuming that you are), you saying that he is a class act is not racist. Headhunter saying it will always be questioned because of his recent track record of posts. He doesn’t understand that at all. Reality doesn’t touch his world.

To you, criticizing black liberals equates to racism (incorrect). Therefore, any future posts must be racist in scope and content(incorrect).

AlDurr: so much irrationality, so little time!

You see, you seem to think all of your actions are separate. I wouldn’t have said anything about you criticizing black liberals if you hadn’t posted the thread on MLK and then followed it up with that criticism and then with this thread. You were building a pattern that pretty much everyone but you could see.

You really are a few beers short of a six-pack.

Headhunter: Proof that the older you get doesn’t necessarily mean you get any better, smarter or gain more wisdom.[/quote]

Al,

How IN THE WORLD is anything I’ve written racist? I questioned a bunch of Somali immigrants voting a guy in who is of the same religion. The guy is a supporter of that asshole Farrakhan. How the fuck is that in any way racist?

You are proving my point: to crit a black person is racist, in your mind. That is simply fucking irrational.

[vroom]

[quote]pookie wrote:
Why the fuck do you keep replying to both of us if you want to discuss something else?
[/quote]

Because you are the guys that are putting fuel out there for the retards to latch onto.

Difficult to ascertain? Are you serious? You think that the statement “Whenever a white man calls a black man ‘articulate’ the white man is being condescending?” is hard to ascertain? You read that and find it has merit?

I’m talking about what nuthunter said, not what Harris said.

Maybe if you didn’t assume the rest of world was discussing the same thing you were discussing, or focusing on the same point of view as you, we wouldn’t have gone down this road?

Why don’t you start a thread that clearly says what it is you want to talk about?

This thread is doing a fine job of it, why should I bother?

Boo-fucking-hoo. Go start your thread and make your case there. Or at the very least stop framing your insipid rants as responses to us.

Stop replying to my point of view like I have two heads for holding the opinions I do and I’ll possibly stop defending my position.

Boo-fucking-hoo right back.

That’s great. It’s no one in this thread, but hey, what does it matter right?

If you have a beef with some retards, take it up with them. Send them a PM. Hell, call’em out in the thread title.

Want a tissue? Should I ask for permission before raising an issue that has come up in a thread? Grab a fucking clue.

[quote]
If you’re such a stand up guy, why don’t you go and educate whoever it is who got your panties in such a knot? [/quote]
What in the fucking hell do you think I’m doing by outlining my views and making things so painfully fucking clear with illustrations and examples?

You don’t have to assume I’m doing this for your benefit, do you?

[vroom]

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Seriously, Vroom - you peddle yourself to the world as this deep thinker, but you can’t even keep the basic distinctions of what we are talking about.[/quote]

LOL.

Who the fuck says I am even interested in the same concept or topic as you? Holy shit, you don’t get to define what we should all be thinking about and talking about.

Maybe one day when you grow up you’ll stop thinking your viewpoint is the center of the universe?

[ALDurr]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Edders wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why can’t we have an intelligent, articulate gentleman like this man for president? His list of accomplishments is stellar and he is a brilliant communicator.

United Talent Agency

Headhunter I have to agree with you. The guy is a class act, Oops, was that a racist statement?

Actually, if you are sincere (I am assuming that you are), you saying that he is a class act is not racist. Headhunter saying it will always be questioned because of his recent track record of posts. He doesn’t understand that at all. Reality doesn’t touch his world.

To you, criticizing black liberals equates to racism (incorrect). Therefore, any future posts must be racist in scope and content(incorrect).

AlDurr: so much irrationality, so little time!

You see, you seem to think all of your actions are separate. I wouldn’t have said anything about you criticizing black liberals if you hadn’t posted the thread on MLK and then followed it up with that criticism and then with this thread. You were building a pattern that pretty much everyone but you could see.

You really are a few beers short of a six-pack.

Headhunter: Proof that the older you get doesn’t necessarily mean you get any better, smarter or gain more wisdom.

Al,

How IN THE WORLD is anything I’ve written racist? I questioned a bunch of Somali immigrants voting a guy in who is of the same religion. The guy is a supporter of that asshole Farrakhan. How the fuck is that in any way racist?

You are proving my point: to crit a black person is racist, in your mind. That is simply fucking irrational.

[/quote]

You really just don’t read, do you? One last time: Your pattern of posts make you look suspect! Why would you post negativity about MLK if you were such a strong supporter of his? It does nothing but make issues for no good reason. So when you follow it up with bashing another black person, regardless of their guilt or innocence, IT LOOKS BAD YOU MORON! It has nothing to do with criticizing black liberals and everything to do with you and your recent actions! If it was someone else had posted it, I wouldn’t have batted an eye. But it was you, stupid! Are you that dense? What part of this don’t you get?

I’m done with you. You are a lost cause. Good luck living in your world. Fortunately in that world you’re the only resident.

[vroom]

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Seriously, Vroom - you peddle yourself to the world as this deep thinker, but you can’t even keep the basic distinctions of what we are talking about.[/quote]

On a totally different note, I think you’ll find that I am not the one that has an axe to grind with respect to being a thinker.

Whenever I am accused of “thinking” I find it silly. I don’t peddle myself to the world as anything, I simply say what is on my mind - just like every other blowhard around here.

So, perhaps you intend that as an insult, but I can only really take it as a compliment. Funny, given the nature of what I’ve been arguing in this very thread…

Amusing, don’t you think?

[pookie]

[quote]vroom wrote:
Maybe if you didn’t assume the rest of world was discussing the same thing you were discussing, or focusing on the same point of view as you, we wouldn’t have gone down this road?[/quote]

Yeah, it’s really dumb of me to assume that someone replying to something I posted is addressing the same thing I am.

This thread is doing a fine job of it, why should I bother?

Yeah, let’s post about anything anywhere. Why even bother splitting things by forums and topics. Let’s just have a giant “Post Here” section.

Stop replying to my point of view like I have two heads for holding the opinions I do and I’ll possibly stop defending my position.

Like you have two heads? I hardly see evidence for one.

What in the fucking hell do you think I’m doing by outlining my views and making things so painfully fucking clear with illustrations and examples?

Wasting everyone’s time apparently, since from your own admissions, the “retards” toward whom all your education is destined aren’t participating in the thread.

Do you think they’re secretly watching and being schooled on racial equality by your astute observations? Did you lure them in with your big tits example?

You don’t have to assume I’m doing this for your benefit, do you?

As far as my benefit is concerned, please do as little as possible. I’ll ring you up if I ever develop a boredom fetish.

[Headhunter]

[quote]ALDurr wrote:

I’m done with you. You are a lost cause. Good luck living in your world. Fortunately in that world you’re the only resident.[/quote]

A moron like you wouldn’t be part of it. Call me a segregationist.

[vroom]

[quote]pookie wrote:
Yeah, it’s really dumb of me to assume that someone replying to something I posted is addressing the same thing I am.[/quote]

Well, it is pretty dumb of you if you are thinking there is only one point of view or one issue under discussion.

Nearly every thread around here has each person discussing things from their own point of view, from their own read of the situation.

So yeah, I have to agree with your assessment on this point anyway.

However, the rest of your post is too much whining… I don’t have enough tissues to lend you. Come back later when the tears have all dried up.

[Headhunter]

[quote]ALDurr wrote:
You really just don’t read, do you? One last time: Your pattern of posts make you look suspect!
[/quote]

Hmmm…I’m white and you keep criticizing me. Your pattern of posts make you look suspect!

Yep, from now on, I’ll assume that someone critical of me is critical because of my race. It’s not that they disagree with me or don’t like my position on issues. They’re racists!!

Stupidest fucking thesis ever, AL.

[vroom]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Hmmm…I’m white and you keep criticizing me. Your pattern of posts make you look suspect!

Yep, from now on, I’ll assume that someone critical of me is critical because of my race. It’s not that they disagree with me or don’t like my position on issues. They’re racists!!

Stupidest fucking thesis ever, AL.

[/quote]

It’s hard to believe you have enough brains to breathe…

[ALDurr]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
You really just don’t read, do you? One last time: Your pattern of posts make you look suspect!

Hmmm…I’m white and you keep criticizing me. Your pattern of posts make you look suspect!

Yep, from now on, I’ll assume that someone critical of me is critical because of my race. It’s not that they disagree with me or don’t like my position on issues. They’re racists!!

Stupidest fucking thesis ever, AL.

[/quote]

No, I am critical of you only because you are an idiot.

[ALDurr]

[quote]vroom wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Hmmm…I’m white and you keep criticizing me. Your pattern of posts make you look suspect!

Yep, from now on, I’ll assume that someone critical of me is critical because of my race. It’s not that they disagree with me or don’t like my position on issues. They’re racists!!

Stupidest fucking thesis ever, AL.

It’s hard to believe you have enough brains to breathe…[/quote]

He doesn’t breathe. He is an old fossil preserved in chloroform. How else can he come up with his insane ramblings?

[ALDurr]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
You really just don’t read, do you? One last time: Your pattern of posts make you look suspect!

Hmmm…I’m white and you keep criticizing me. Your pattern of posts make you look suspect!

Yep, from now on, I’ll assume that someone critical of me is critical because of my race. It’s not that they disagree with me or don’t like my position on issues. They’re racists!!

Stupidest fucking thesis ever, AL.

[/quote]

Translation: “Wow, he may have a point, but I am too egotistical and insane to ever admit it. I better insult him quick. Yeah, that will cover up any of my shortcomings. I’m am the man!”

[Edders]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
You really just don’t read, do you? One last time: Your pattern of posts make you look suspect!

Hmmm…I’m white and you keep criticizing me. Your pattern of posts make you look suspect!

Yep, from now on, I’ll assume that someone critical of me is critical because of my race. It’s not that they disagree with me or don’t like my position on issues. They’re racists!!

[/quote]

Standing Applause- Best post on this thread!

[ALDurr]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:

I’m done with you. You are a lost cause. Good luck living in your world. Fortunately in that world you’re the only resident.

A moron like you wouldn’t be part of it. Call me a segregationist.

[/quote]

As long as you are separated from the rest of society, I could care less what you call it or what you call me. Now, back in your hole, fossil!

[pat]

Flame on!!

[LIFTICVSMAXIMVS]

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why can’t we have an intelligent, articulate gentleman like this man for president? His list of accomplishments is stellar and he is a brilliant communicator.

United Talent Agency

There is very little as condescending as referring to a black man as “articulate.”
[/quote]
What if HH had said TB had flawless elocution? Is that condescending?

Though I often use the term articulate as a synonym for eloquent I often forget it’s original meaninging, capable of speech, which does come across as condescending depending on who it is directed at. Why shouln’t an intelligent, educated man be articulate? Eloquence is a different matter all together.

Sometimes I wish I was more spell-o-quent.