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[quote]vroom wrote:

At the same time, we have a chance to make the case that some things should be taken with less sensitivity. However, again, don’t discount the fact that a compliment can cease to be a compliment to the recipient even thought the giver can honestly mean it.[/quote]

And this is precisely what we have been doing since page one of this thread. We have been saying that in this case, there is no reason to presume the act is racist and explained. And, if someone decides to not like a compliment based solely on their irrational desire to be offended - that is their problem, one that none of us are required to mollycoddle.

Then quit trying to pawn yourself off as such by closing your postings with the ever-present sanctimony that says “tis only I that truly gets these deep, nuanced issues…”.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
vroom wrote:

At the same time, we have a chance to make the case that some things should be taken with less sensitivity. However, again, don’t discount the fact that a compliment can cease to be a compliment to the recipient even thought the giver can honestly mean it.

And this is precisely what we have been doing since page one of this thread. We have been saying that in this case, there is no reason to presume the act is racist and explained. And, if someone decides to not like a compliment based solely on their irrational desire to be offended - that is their problem, one that none of us are required to mollycoddle.

As for my travels, etc, stop being such a petty dink. I’m not saying they are fantastic, but just that I’ve seen it first hand, and I’ve seen it in different environments, so it has stood out. It was so damned clear a dunce like myself finally figured it out.

Then quit trying to pawn yourself off as such by closing your postings with the ever-present sanctimony that says “tis only I that truly gets these deep, nuanced issues…”.[/quote]

You actually used the word “mollycoddle”? Was that meant to impress us…or to cause us to think you are actually comprehending what other people are writing? If someone takes offense to a patronizing, socially misguided or even a sarcastic “compliment”, it is simply because they have an irrational desire to be offended?

It simply could never be…that the comment was actually patronizing, socially misguided or sarcastic?

Gee, you sure are smart.

We black people who take offense to anything at all (no matter what the basis for it because you simply don’t have time to consider anyone else’s point of view)…must be the dumb ones.

Again, what a brilliant piece of work from you, sir!!

See, two exclamation points. TWO.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
It simply could never be…that the comment was actually patronizing, socially misguided or sarcastic?[/quote]

What about refering to people as “opponents?” Or playing dumb to see what reaction you get?

I’d call that patronizing and socially misguided.

You’re making one hell of a case for it.

Here’s your banana.

[quote]pookie wrote:
What about refering to people as “opponents?” Or playing dumb to see what reaction you get?

I’d call that patronizing and socially misguided.
[/quote]

I would write, “LOL”, but this honestly wasn’t that funny. You have been alive how long…and you don’t think that several social situations are tests or attempts to set up some kind of hierarchy? You have been to some business functions, social parties or even some conversations and have NOT recognized that type of behavior from some people?

It is probably most prevelant in the medical science field (or possibly law or business). Yet to use that action against someone to also come out ahead is now against the rules?

I apologize if you are still in high school and have not experienced any of that yet. We’ll just chalk that up to lack of experience.

If, however, you are older than that, I’ll simply label your post as some lame attempt to show innocence that would only work if your audience is in the 11th grade. Yes, let’s keep playing games.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

You actually used the word “mollycoddle”? Was that meant to impress us…or to cause us to think you are actually comprehending what other people are writing?[/quote]

I sense a tantrum coming…but no, “mollycoddle” was meant to mean what it means: to indulge, to pamper.

No, not categorically - and I have said this countless times, but you simply don’t read my posts.

I never said ‘it could never be’ - so if you read my posts, you would know that. I said over and over that most definitely there are legitimate instances where a compliment is not a compliment at all, but if you actually read and understood my posts, you wouldn’t get to flail about like a snivelling crybaby, now would you? It is better to make up a position I don’t have and argue it, so you can be angry and get more attention?

Professor X loves him some attention!

See above. I only claim to be smart enough to actually read people’s posts and stick to what they say - which is more than anyone can say for you.

Look at this desperate statement begging for victimhood. Poor Professor X! One question: got persecution?

Again, ‘anything at all’ - I have grown tired of explaining myself, I never suggested such. You have fully discredited yourself, Professor X. You can’t be taken seriously.

Which piece of work? The one I actually wrote? Or the one you pretend I wrote and argued against?

Well, it appears you can count - that is a start on your way to learning to read.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would write, “LOL”, but this honestly wasn’t that funny. You have been alive how long…and you don’t think that several social situations are tests or attempts to set up some kind of hierarchy? You have been to some business functions, social parties or even some conversations and have NOT recognized that type of behavior from some people?[/quote]

Is there a point to this, or did you just feel like giving an impromptu session of sociology 101?

You’re free to do what you want. You can strut your boorish arrogance to your heart’s desire. But if you’re setting up all social interactions to be adversarial ones, don’t be surprised to encounter a lot of “opponents.”

You seem to be under the impression that your experiences are somehow more complete, more informing than ours can ever be. That’s bullshit.

You then use that bullshit reason to tell us that we should defer to your judgment on what is appropriate or not; on what is condescending or not. Get over yourself.

Yeah, the rest of the world is just cardboard people who don’t experience anything. We just float around oblivious to everything.

Who’s playing games here?

Maybe if you gave the issue a bit of thought before posting, instead of your knee-jerk “gotta back a brother” reaction, you wouldn’t have to spend the rest of the thread dancing around the issue and looking like an idiot.

[quote]aussie486 wrote:
Edders wrote:
aussie486 wrote:
Edders wrote:
pat36 wrote:
harris447 wrote:
A white man with these credentials would never be referred to as articulate or someone who “speaks so well”.

That’s bullshit.

If you pay real close attention most of what harris posts is bullshit.

If you pay real close attention all of what edders
posts is bullshit.

Wow almost one month and you still carry a grudge from another thread.

:wink:

What grudge? you flatter yourself too much, you just post bullshit.

[/quote]

And I think you take yourself and the Internet a bit to seriously. But then again kids usually do.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
I rip on Ann Coulter because she is a hate filled, piece of shit that uses negativity to generate millions of dollars a year off of the mentally imbalanced like you. I rip on Ayn Rand because it is easy to do and it bothers you. I don’t really care about her one way or the other except that her inane ramblings were documented and are being used as gospel by psychos like you.

‘Nope, Al, you’re a racist because I say so. Its obvious to me that you rip on Ann because she’s white, and its all true because I say so.’

Your turn to make up shit was over. That paragraph was my turn. How do you like it?

Sorry, I only got through about 2/3 of your stupidity before I drifted. Did you say anything else? Not that it matters.

[/quote]

As usual, you can’t refute anything, so you resort to insults. Typical for the small minded and insane. BTW, spare the next excuse you will have of “It was so ridiculous, I didn’t want to bother…or, It was stupid so it wasn’t worth my time.” You can’t handle being critized, so you insult.

Also, if you only got 2/3 of the way through my post, how is it that you are commenting on the last part that I wrote? It means you read the whole thing. Again, you are full of shit.

[quote]Edders wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why can’t we have an intelligent, articulate gentleman like this man for president? His list of accomplishments is stellar and he is a brilliant communicator.

Headhunter I have to agree with you. The guy is a class act, Oops, was that a racist statement?[/quote]

Actually, if you are sincere (I am assuming that you are), you saying that he is a class act is not racist. Headhunter saying it will always be questioned because of his recent track record of posts. He doesn’t understand that at all. Reality doesn’t touch his world.

[quote]pookie wrote:
And your wonderful fucking assumption is that the recipient assumes that every white man who pays him a compliment is a “Mr. Redneck Crackerboy Honky.”
[/quote]

Nonsense. I’m trying to make an extreme example so that some clueless people will be able to see what the heck I am referring to. It’s apparent that some don’t, won’t or can’t.

There are many times that a compliment is not a compliment, and some retards simply aren’t able to see that. Maybe you are one of them, though generally you seem smarter than that.

[quote]vroom wrote:

Nonsense. I’m trying to make an extreme example so that some clueless people will be able to see what the heck I am referring to. It’s apparent that some don’t, won’t or can’t.[/quote]

For Christ’s sake, Vroom - everyone here sees it. Not one person here subscribes to the made-up view that there is no such thing as a compliment that really isn’t a compliment. Everyone here knows, agrees with it, acknowledges it, and addressed it.

For some reason, you have this desperate compulsion to enlighten us all at great length on a subject we are well aware of. Why is that?

Who here doesn’t see that? Once again, we a treated to your numbskullery - in the fit of desire to educate us on something we already know and have acknowledged, over and over and over. You speak generally of ‘some retards’ - well, who? Who here doesn’t believe that some compliments aren’t really compliments and can be back-handed insults?

Seriously - your compulsion to produce paragraph after paragraph of nothing particularly original or insightful to the discussion at hand has gone beyond ordinary explanation. It has become a trademark of sorts, a caricature.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Nonsense. I’m trying to make an extreme example so that some clueless people will be able to see what the heck I am referring to. It’s apparent that some don’t, won’t or can’t.

There are many times that a compliment is not a compliment, and some retards simply aren’t able to see that. Maybe you are one of them, though generally you seem smarter than that.
[/quote]

That’s nice, but that’s not what we’re discussing here.

We’re arguing over whether Harris’ claim that calling a black man “articulate” is condescending. All the time, in all cases; as long as the complimenter is white and the recipient black.

You can stop repeating that in some cases, a compliment might hide ulterior motives. We all know that and no one is contesting it.

Maybe if you weren’t so busy being a spineless sycophant, you’d manage to pick up on what’s actually being discussed.

Psst, Thunderboy, AlDurr raises a good point. In this case, this instance, we are talking about the ravings of Nuthunter, so I’d be careful standing up and saying that there is no chance of racial nonsense being involved.

You have seen the type of tripe he posts.

Other than that, you’re attitude smacks of arrogance and a complete lack of understanding that certain types of compliments almost always have to be analyzed for both intent and the underlying expectation or belief.

Why? Because certain compliments fall into stereotypes and biases (or they come from people with a track record).

Believe it or not, but that is what is happening in the world all the time. You and Pookie are both sounding like naive little altar boys who have no fucking clue.

Yes, yes, I know, you admit that this happens, some mythical percentage of the time, but you deny every individual incident could possibly have any type of bias involved. Is there an issue in this case, I honestly don’t know. Neither do you!

The difference is, I think the danger of allowing racial bias (and worse) to pass unchallenged is worse than the danger of forcing people to think before opening their mouths. Sure, it’s a bit inconvenient to have people question what you say at times, but that’s an inconvenience that has been bought and paid for many times over.

So, sometimes there may be overreactions, or concern over things that perhaps needn’t cause concern, the alternate is to err on the side of letting these things slide. One is much worse than the other.

Another analogy, you are riding your bike with a very minor breeze at your back. You can’t feel the breeze, but it is helping your progress, but you’ll swear up and down that there is no wind, you can’t see the grass blowing or the leaves bending, for example.

Unfortunately, this social breeze often blows in the face of minorities. It’s just a little bit harder to pedal along mile after mile, day after day.

It’s not fucking mollycoddling to realize that as an obvious member of the majority that I’ve been blessed with an easier ride and have less things to worry about. There are a million social situations that I’ll never have to think twice about.

I haven’t been late for dates, family dinners or job interviews because I was stopped for driving while black, for example, which would make me look less reliable since I’d be seen as less punctual. A local friend of mine has. Even then, if it only happened once, it probably wouldn’t be a concern.

Whether or not thinking twice about those situations is productive, I can’t really say, but I do know that knowledge is power. Knowing someones level of bias (or worse) would seem to allow someone to sidestep it or otherwise get along if necessary to keep a job and keep putting food on the table for a family.

Mollycoddle my ass.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
some crap
[/quote]

Well, maybe you need to work on making a post that clearly concedes a point… such as that one.

Fucking finally.

[quote]pookie wrote:
We’re arguing over whether Harris’ claim that calling a black man “articulate” is condescending. All the time, in all cases; as long as the complimenter is white and the recipient black.
[/quote]

Who says that is exactly what we are arguing about?

Is there a rule somewhere that I missed that said we were only allowed to discuss whatever the hell it was you and thunderboy decided to focus on?

It should be pretty fucking obvious that this isn’t what I’ve been talking about. I’m actually not interested in the answer to that, per se, as it is very difficult to ascertain.

However, I’ve written quite a few times that nuthunter should get some leeway because he’s comparing this guy to the president, who’s completely lacking in an ability to speak.

So, if the discussion is about that issue, as you say, why the fuck are we still talking about it? Should I repeat that above paragraph or forth or fifth time?

We’re talking about it because it touches on wider issues. Right? Things that come up here from time to time and are seemingly invisible to some people (relax thunderboy, not necessarily anyone in this thread).

Racism and racial bias piss me off. I don’t give a shit if you want to hear about it, or if thunderboy wants to hear about it, my friends are affected by it. I’ve even seen mean spirited racism applied to a friend of mine here in the forums.

So, while it is nobody in this thread, perhaps, some retards are still out there actively making the world a worse place.

Excuse me for standing up for something I believe in. Yes, I’m fully prepared to be made fun of for thinking I need to educate the world or whatever the hell else is thrown my way.

[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Edders wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why can’t we have an intelligent, articulate gentleman like this man for president? His list of accomplishments is stellar and he is a brilliant communicator.

Headhunter I have to agree with you. The guy is a class act, Oops, was that a racist statement?

Actually, if you are sincere (I am assuming that you are), you saying that he is a class act is not racist. Headhunter saying it will always be questioned because of his recent track record of posts. He doesn’t understand that at all. Reality doesn’t touch his world.[/quote]

To you, criticizing black liberals equates to racism (incorrect). Therefore, any future posts must be racist in scope and content(incorrect).

AlDurr: so much irrationality, so little time!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Some bullshit…
[/quote]

All you have to do is read the opening post to “Al Queda in Congress” to see why people have to second guess everything asshunter posts.

Off-topic: I recently reread the Autobiography of MalcolmX, and this is my kind of guy! Say the truth and anyone who gets pissed off…well, that’s their problem. He is a true T-man.

Hence the new avatar!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Edders wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why can’t we have an intelligent, articulate gentleman like this man for president? His list of accomplishments is stellar and he is a brilliant communicator.

Headhunter I have to agree with you. The guy is a class act, Oops, was that a racist statement?

Actually, if you are sincere (I am assuming that you are), you saying that he is a class act is not racist. Headhunter saying it will always be questioned because of his recent track record of posts. He doesn’t understand that at all. Reality doesn’t touch his world.

To you, criticizing black liberals equates to racism (incorrect). Therefore, any future posts must be racist in scope and content(incorrect).

AlDurr: so much irrationality, so little time!

[/quote]

You see, you seem to think all of your actions are separate. I wouldn’t have said anything about you criticizing black liberals if you hadn’t posted the thread on MLK and then followed it up with that criticism and then with this thread. You were building a pattern that pretty much everyone but you could see.

You really are a few beers short of a six-pack.

Headhunter: Proof that the older you get doesn’t necessarily mean you get any better, smarter or gain more wisdom.

[quote]vroom wrote:

Well, maybe you need to work on making a post that clearly concedes a point… such as that one.

Fucking finally.[/quote]

Who conceded anything?

That you can’t resist the urge to lecture someone on something even when there is nothing to lecture on in hopes of sounding authoritative?

Is that what I conceded? Because that is what I said.