Tiki Barber for President!

[quote]pookie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You don’t know much about the military, do you? Instead of asking, you just make up shit. There are far fewer OFFICERS in the military than there are ENLISTED. By shear numbers alone, any doctor in the military will see far more ENLISTED than he will see OFFICERS.

Like I said, I don’t give a flying fuck about your daily job of asking young naked guys to cough while you hold their nutsacks.

It is entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand. You’re probably dumb enough to believe that common English usage is derived from your life experience. I assure you, it isn’t.[/quote]

If you don’t care at all, why the attempt to mischaracterize what I do? What an odd reaction for someone who truly doesn’t care.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

This one deserved its own response. Who is handing me my ass in this debate? It sure as hell isn’t you. Shit, the closest thing to it is Headhunter’s correction of a spelling/grammatical error I made. Don’t get ahead of yourself.[/quote]

Seriously?

a) Your theory is based on a meaning of the word ‘articulate’ - meaning ordinary and uncomplimentary use of words - that simply isn’t true. It is defied by common usage, professional usage, and usage by minorities themselves. If ‘articulate’ doesn’t mean what you think it means - and no reasonable person could see why it does - your theory folds. Therefore, your theory is bunk.

b) You have set a new forum record for making the mistake of using a straw man fallacy (obliterating the old record held by, well, you).

And you aren’t losing?

We all know exactly what is happening - you are defensive, you can’t concede for fear of protecting that glass ego of yours, you will keep flailing about saying you are holding court here when the merits just stack up against you. This happens all the time - why do you think we are all too dumb to realize that is what is going on?

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Seriously?

a) Your theory is based on a meaning of the word ‘articulate’ - meaning ordinary and uncomplimentary use of words - that simply isn’t true. It is defied by common usage, professional usage, and usage by minorities themselves. If ‘articulate’ doesn’t mean what you think it means - and no reasonable person could see why it does - your theory folds. Therefore, your theory is bunk.[/quote]

My “theory” has gone far beyond just the use of that one word. This was shown also by using that blog on Chris Rock’s use of “speaks so well”. Obviously, that one word is only the main issue for YOU. I personally can think well beyond it and have tried to show you that by even using examples with others races. I guess you ignored all of this.

Go figure.

If your argument is based on a dictionary use of one word, you are in trouble here. We are discussing social applications based on race when it comes to “some”, not all, “compliments” that may very well be racist in effect. Did you read the quote from the blog? I mean, I posted it in this thread so you wouldn’t even have to look for it. Did you think that was for no reason?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
If you don’t care at all, why the attempt to mischaracterize what I do? What an odd reaction for someone who truly doesn’t care.[/quote]

Are you pulling out your old “hate isn’t the opposite of love, indifference is” routine again? Do you still manage to find idiots who fall for that one?

Even if your daily job was actually very interesting, it remains entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Edders wrote:
vroom wrote:
Edders wrote:
Wahahaha OWNED!

Loser. When the grownups are talking they don’t need a cheering section. Thanks for playing.

Hey Mr. 4000 posts, maybe you should consider getting a real life beyond the Internet.

Wahahahahahaha

Don’t like it when your buddy harris gets owned huh?

Write back soon tool.

The lamest tool uses by many trolls on the internet is trying to point out how many posts someone has as if it is a bad thing…while they themselves post on a discussion forum making them hypocrites of the highest order. This is a discussion forum. I know I’ve been here for six years so how many posts should I have after over half a decade?

You know what’s truly worse than someone who has a lot of posts on a DISCUSSION FORUM? Some kid who has less…but not one of them worth reading.[/quote]

But, my post was worth reading by you. And not only worth reading but worth responding to as well.

HA!

And I’d much rather be a hypocrite, hey most people are in some way, than the racist that you are. Hold on did I say “racist?” Dam I hate to lable you with just that- You are also a whiny bitch.

Waaaaa…white peole are mean. Waaaaa you don’t know what it’s like to be black. Waaaaaaa… Booo hooo…

Are you even a man? Sorry but I can’t tell by the writing style of your posts. And I don’t believe the bullshit you spread about your lifting numbers. But by the style of your posts you’re a whiny bitch.

Keep posting prof. Get it up to 15,000 posts, you don’t have far to go. I’m sure it will at least fill some of the emptiness you have in your miserable life.

:wink:

PS: Write back I’d like to keep this going to help you get to 15,000 posts.

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Very funny, yet quite true in this case.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

If your argument is based on a dictionary use of one word, you are in trouble here. We are discussing social applications based on race when it comes to “some”, not all, “compliments” that may very well be racist in effect.[/quote]

Yes, genius, and we have specifically been talking about whether ‘articulate’ fits that bill. You have focused on that word specifically as well, making the claim that because ‘articulate’ means ‘capable of basic speech’, using that specific word in describing a minority is presumptively reacist. You argued this repeatedly - that because of what ‘articulate’ means, the context was supplied for a racist intent - i.e., the expectation was that the minority was not assumed to have basic communication skills.

And yet. You have been overwhelmed with plenty of evidece to the contrary that ‘articulate’ - in both its dictionary explanation and its social usage - doesn’t mean what you have tried to claim. So, based on your own theory, if ‘articulate’ doesn’t mean what you have claimed, it can’t be assumed to connote a racist act. Your theory fails.

Now, there are all kinds of words we discuss, in all kinds of situations. But YOU argued on behalf of ‘articulate’ specifically - and you have been shown to be patently wrong. Just concede.

We can talk about other words, no problem - but the claim you have been making over and over again with regards to ‘articulate’ has been thoroughly turned inside out, so don’t try and now move the goal posts and say “I was talking about all kinds of other words” when you addressed the word specifically.

Your theory on ‘articulate’ has been discredited - stop trying to shift and evade by saying ‘I wasn’t claiming that’. Your posts are right there for everyone to read.

Want to move on and discuss other words in other contexts? No problem - first admit your application of the word ‘articulate’ as argued by you directly in previous posts was dead wrong.

Question is: can you do that? Does Professor X’s laundry list of insecurities allow his to recognize publilcy that his claim was flawed? None of us are holding our breath.

[quote]vroom wrote:

Your fatal flaw is assuming there is some collusion going on and then picking sides.[/quote]

I’ve been reading these threads a long time. And I have seen you “owned” time and again by thunder, rainjack, zeb and many others. This time pookie owns your as well. You, harris and prof idiot have been spreading the bullshit wide and thick for a long time. When you guys are called on it you try to change the subject or use strawman arguments.

In short, you’re a joke.

I suggest you shut the fuck up. But, I know you don’t enough going on in your life to avoid making an ass of yourself on this forum.

So, carry on.

Ha

Apparently, some members of minorities are familiar with the proper usage of ‘articulate’ in its various forms:

- YouTube at around 17 seconds in, and later, at around 1:40.

Dawkins’ response at the end is also well worth the wait.

Mom’s white
Dad’s black

You guys have it easy being either or.

[quote]pookie wrote:
Apparently, some members of minorities are familiar with the proper usage of ‘articulate’ in its various forms:

- YouTube at around 17 seconds in, and later, at around 1:40.

Dawkins’ response at the end is also well worth the wait.[/quote]

The black guy on that panel is very articulate.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
a) Your theory is based on a meaning of the word ‘articulate’ - meaning ordinary and uncomplimentary use of words - that simply isn’t true. It is defied by common usage, professional usage, and usage by minorities themselves. If ‘articulate’ doesn’t mean what you think it means - and no reasonable person could see why it does - your theory folds. Therefore, your theory is bunk.[/quote]

What a retard!

You keep saying you understand and agree with the base concepts here, but you keep on breezing by them as if they didn’t exist.

The meaning of the words is not the only issue under discussion here, though it is the one you focus on. You can’t easily just take a dictionary and apply it to social processes.

For example, the word “boy” has a historical problem in racial matters, but it didn’t start out as anything other than a simple innocent word.

Word use is subjective. So, you admit racism and racial bias are alive and well, but you refuse to accept that some words have the potential to be used subjectively within the context of a racial bias.

It’s obvious you don’t recognize how and why “articulate” would be an insulting term, but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t. Luckily for the rest of the world you aren’t the arbiter of what is or isn’t.

Yes, I know, tell me again how it can be out of one side of your mouth while explaining that it isn’t out of the other side of your mouth.

[quote]Edders wrote:
I’ve been reading these threads a long time. And I have seen you “owned” time and again by thunder, rainjack, zeb and many others. This time pookie owns your as well. You, harris and prof idiot have been spreading the bullshit wide and thick for a long time. When you guys are called on it you try to change the subject or use strawman arguments.

In short, you’re a joke.

I suggest you shut the fuck up. But, I know you don’t enough going on in your life to avoid making an ass of yourself on this forum.
[/quote]

Edders, you seem to be one of those people that is stupid enough to be impressed when others claim victory or to think insults win arguments.

There is a contingent around here that misses many aspects of society and social issues, perhaps because they prefer to see things in simple black and white or simply because the issues are suitably outside of their experience.

If you can’t see it, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It’s like the air around you, it is there and it has effects, but generally it is not noticed.

While these forums offer us an ability to expand our thinking, some resist such expansion at all costs. I suspect you fall into that category yourself.

In fact, I suspect some folks aren’t very adept at language, the deeper meanings and issues, or perhaps simple comprehension, when they always complain about changing subjects and so forth when that isn’t the case.

You realize there is an entire social science known as sociology which deals with a lot of aspects of interaction between members of society? While it is a fluff science, in that it is very difficult to prove much of anything, the stuff I’m talking about is not something I’m pulling out of a hat – even if you’ve never considered these issues and give them no weight.

In short, your limited experience and thinking don’t make me wrong. Your inability to do anything but cheerlead when someone expresses a point you agree with because you can’t do it yourself simply makes you the joke.

Congrats on standing up and being counted!

Hell, at least Thunderdolt and Dookie can argue for themselves (whether or not I’m in agreement with them). You, on the other hand, stand on the sidelines and cheer. Fucking loser.

[quote]pookie wrote:

Shall I regal you with the endearing story of our latest Cisco router upgrade? We had a nagging dropped packet problem that I got rid of by intimidating it with my huge swinging dick.

Not interested? Now you know how we feel.

[/quote]

This one goes in the Hall of Fame! LMAO! Voltaire himself would be proud.!

Damn, Pookie, you should be a writer!!

[quote]vroom wrote:

What a retard!

You keep saying you understand and agree with the base concepts here, but you keep on breezing by them as if they didn’t exist.

The meaning of the words is not the only issue under discussion here, though it is the one you focus on. You can’t easily just take a dictionary and apply it to social processes.

For example, the word “boy” has a historical problem in racial matters, but it didn’t start out as anything other than a simple innocent word.

Word use is subjective. So, you admit racism and racial bias are alive and well, but you refuse to accept that some words have the potential to be used subjectively within the context of a racial bias.

It’s obvious you don’t recognize how and why “articulate” would be an insulting term, but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t. Luckily for the rest of the world you aren’t the arbiter of what is or isn’t.

Yes, I know, tell me again how it can be out of one side of your mouth while explaining that it isn’t out of the other side of your mouth.[/quote]

Vroom, if you were sharp - which you are not - I was specifically addressing how Professor X made the case for the word ‘articulate’. He is the one explaining that the basis for his claim is that ‘articulate’ is racist because of the base usage and meaning of the word. I am merely refuting his argument.

Let’s also highlight something you said to show how awful you are:

You can’t easily just take a dictionary and apply it to social processes.

Which, had you read, you would know that both Pookie and me have supplied not only dictionary meanings, but also social usage - including vast usage of the word by people of all races, professional journalists who get paid to use words for a living, and even venomous race-mongers like Al Sharpton, who like Professor X, go into every situation looking for racism.

We have done exactly what you keep whining that we haven’t done - we have shown over and over that Professor X’s claims about the social usage of the word ‘articulate’ have been completely debunked through the most basic of research and understandings.

So, I beg you - do some thinking for yourself. This was dirt simple. Prof. X’s claim was based on his claims of what ‘articulate’ meant, we countered by showing his claim was worthless by use of both the dictionary and social usage.

So you want us to apply words to social processes? We did - so now that that angle is a dead end for your sniveling, what next?

Here, I will do your next post for you, as you, to save you the time so you can concentrate on getting some laundry done among your other important tasks:

“Some people think and feel differently from than you, and if only you would recognize that the world is a lot bigger than our narrow, inexperienced worldviews’ suggest, you may actually being to learn that minorities don’t have it as easy as you do. Their culture is different, and you can’t pretend to know what they think - therefore, if they make a claim related to race issues, regardless of the individual, their word must be taken to be truth. What matters is a black man said it, and you have no reason to consider the individual making the claim. By virtue of skin color alone, you have no right to challenge them on such issues. If only you could expand your thinking beyond this provincial bigotry and assume whatever a minority says to be true, no matter how ludicrous it sounds under the standard of rational thinking, we would have a more tolerant world. I am amazed you guys just don’t get the subtleties involved in this complex issue.”

There. Just copy and post my above Vroomism, and use it as a reply to this and any other post. That way, you can save yourself the typing, and we still get the privilege of your vacuous nonsense.

[quote]Edders wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Edders wrote:
vroom wrote:
Edders wrote:
Wahahaha OWNED!

Loser. When the grownups are talking they don’t need a cheering section. Thanks for playing.

Hey Mr. 4000 posts, maybe you should consider getting a real life beyond the Internet.

Wahahahahahaha

Don’t like it when your buddy harris gets owned huh?

Write back soon tool.

The lamest tool uses by many trolls on the internet is trying to point out how many posts someone has as if it is a bad thing…while they themselves post on a discussion forum making them hypocrites of the highest order. This is a discussion forum. I know I’ve been here for six years so how many posts should I have after over half a decade?

You know what’s truly worse than someone who has a lot of posts on a DISCUSSION FORUM? Some kid who has less…but not one of them worth reading.

But, my post was worth reading by you. And not only worth reading but worth responding to as well.

HA!

And I’d much rather be a hypocrite, hey most people are in some way, than the racist that you are. Hold on did I say “racist?” Dam I hate to lable you with just that- You are also a whiny bitch.

Waaaaa…white peole are mean. Waaaaa you don’t know what it’s like to be black. Waaaaaaa… Booo hooo…

Are you even a man? Sorry but I can’t tell by the writing style of your posts. And I don’t believe the bullshit you spread about your lifting numbers. But by the style of your posts you’re a whiny bitch.

Keep posting prof. Get it up to 15,000 posts, you don’t have far to go. I’m sure it will at least fill some of the emptiness you have in your miserable life.

:wink:

PS: Write back I’d like to keep this going to help you get to 15,000 posts.

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[/quote]

You don’t believe the bullshit about lifting numbers? I very rarely even post my lifting numbers so what are you talking about? What numbers have I listed? While your dumbass thinks you are being clever, my pictures have been seen by many on this forum. Care to post yours? Didn’t think so.

[quote]vroom wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
a) Your theory is based on a meaning of the word ‘articulate’ - meaning ordinary and uncomplimentary use of words - that simply isn’t true. It is defied by common usage, professional usage, and usage by minorities themselves. If ‘articulate’ doesn’t mean what you think it means - and no reasonable person could see why it does - your theory folds. Therefore, your theory is bunk.

What a retard!

You keep saying you understand and agree with the base concepts here, but you keep on breezing by them as if they didn’t exist.

The meaning of the words is not the only issue under discussion here, though it is the one you focus on. You can’t easily just take a dictionary and apply it to social processes.

For example, the word “boy” has a historical problem in racial matters, but it didn’t start out as anything other than a simple innocent word.

Word use is subjective. So, you admit racism and racial bias are alive and well, but you refuse to accept that some words have the potential to be used subjectively within the context of a racial bias.

It’s obvious you don’t recognize how and why “articulate” would be an insulting term, but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t. Luckily for the rest of the world you aren’t the arbiter of what is or isn’t.

Yes, I know, tell me again how it can be out of one side of your mouth while explaining that it isn’t out of the other side of your mouth.[/quote]

I was just assuming they were playing stupid. You mean…he’s serious?

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

If your argument is based on a dictionary use of one word, you are in trouble here. We are discussing social applications based on race when it comes to “some”, not all, “compliments” that may very well be racist in effect.

Yes, genius, and we have specifically been talking about whether ‘articulate’ fits that bill. You have focused on that word specifically as well, making the claim that because ‘articulate’ means ‘capable of basic speech’, using that specific word in describing a minority is presumptively reacist. You argued this repeatedly - that because of what ‘articulate’ means, the context was supplied for a racist intent - i.e., the expectation was that the minority was not assumed to have basic communication skills.

And yet. You have been overwhelmed with plenty of evidece to the contrary that ‘articulate’ - in both its dictionary explanation and its social usage - doesn’t mean what you have tried to claim. So, based on your own theory, if ‘articulate’ doesn’t mean what you have claimed, it can’t be assumed to connote a racist act. Your theory fails.

Now, there are all kinds of words we discuss, in all kinds of situations. But YOU argued on behalf of ‘articulate’ specifically - and you have been shown to be patently wrong. Just concede.

We can talk about other words, no problem - but the claim you have been making over and over again with regards to ‘articulate’ has been thoroughly turned inside out, so don’t try and now move the goal posts and say “I was talking about all kinds of other words” when you addressed the word specifically.

Your theory on ‘articulate’ has been discredited - stop trying to shift and evade by saying ‘I wasn’t claiming that’. Your posts are right there for everyone to read.

Want to move on and discuss other words in other contexts? No problem - first admit your application of the word ‘articulate’ as argued by you directly in previous posts was dead wrong.

Question is: can you do that? Does Professor X’s laundry list of insecurities allow his to recognize publilcy that his claim was flawed? None of us are holding our breath.[/quote]

You haven’t proven anything other than you can’t understand what is being written. I am not arguing dictionary definitions. I am arguing uses in society. As was pointed out to you by Vroom, the word “boy” has had very negative racial connotations due to its use. Do you think you would find that particular use (as related to slaves or blacks considered beneath whites in the past) in a dictionary? Let me guess…you would be foolish enough to claim that it has no such meaning simply because you can’t find it in a dictionary?

Please, tell me you think this.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

Vroom, if you were sharp - which you are not - I was specifically addressing how Professor X made the case for the word ‘articulate’. He is the one explaining that the basis for his claim is that ‘articulate’ is racist because of the base usage and meaning of the word. I am merely refuting his argument.[/quote]

That was NOT my argument. I have already told you this by bringing up other terms and even other instances with other races. Why lie? My argument, once again for the slow people, is not about the use of just one word. Why even play that game? Why not at least do better at it?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Edders wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Edders wrote:
vroom wrote:
Edders wrote:
Wahahaha OWNED!

Loser. When the grownups are talking they don’t need a cheering section. Thanks for playing.

Hey Mr. 4000 posts, maybe you should consider getting a real life beyond the Internet.

Wahahahahahaha

Don’t like it when your buddy harris gets owned huh?

Write back soon tool.

The lamest tool uses by many trolls on the internet is trying to point out how many posts someone has as if it is a bad thing…while they themselves post on a discussion forum making them hypocrites of the highest order. This is a discussion forum. I know I’ve been here for six years so how many posts should I have after over half a decade?

You know what’s truly worse than someone who has a lot of posts on a DISCUSSION FORUM? Some kid who has less…but not one of them worth reading.

But, my post was worth reading by you. And not only worth reading but worth responding to as well.

HA!

And I’d much rather be a hypocrite, hey most people are in some way, than the racist that you are. Hold on did I say “racist?” Dam I hate to lable you with just that- You are also a whiny bitch.

Waaaaa…white peole are mean. Waaaaa you don’t know what it’s like to be black. Waaaaaaa… Booo hooo…

Are you even a man? Sorry but I can’t tell by the writing style of your posts. And I don’t believe the bullshit you spread about your lifting numbers. But by the style of your posts you’re a whiny bitch.

Keep posting prof. Get it up to 15,000 posts, you don’t have far to go. I’m sure it will at least fill some of the emptiness you have in your miserable life.

:wink:

PS: Write back I’d like to keep this going to help you get to 15,000 posts.

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You don’t believe the bullshit about lifting numbers? I very rarely even post my lifting numbers so what are you talking about? What numbers have I listed? While your dumbass thinks you are being clever, my pictures have been seen by many on this forum. Care to post yours? Didn’t think so. [/quote]

What I find hard to believe is that you’d even respond to this guy.