Tiki Barber for President!

[quote]pookie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
If you really believe that it can not be taken as an insult based on race for a non-minority to act as if it is a miracle that a black person can string words together, you are pretty damn clueless.

I’m quite sure it can be taken as an insult. By fucking idiots who go out of their way looking for ways to be insulted.

Your interpretation of the word as ‘can string words together’ is not the usual meaning seen in, oh, about 100% of the articles or speeches where it is used to describe someone.

I challenge you: Find me one, just one example from an article on the web where ‘articulate’ is used in a condescending way.[/quote]

What the hell? What are you even arguing? Who gives a shit about whether an article exists anywhere using it as an insult? We aren’t discussing articles, we are discussing how PEOPLE can be RACIST by acting as if it is a miracle that a black person can speak well.

How elementary do I have to get with you on this? If after all of this, you still act like it is a minority’s fault for taking offense to it, you are simply a dumbass. That is all there is to it.

An article? I still can’t believe you wrote that. Do you live in America?

[quote]
How can you know? Whether the person is expressing surprise or whether they’re actually sincere, how do you know? Do they jump back in surprise? Do they grab their faces ? la McAuley Culkin? Do they go wide-eyed as they say “Oh my God, he’ soooo eloquent!” Wouldn’t real surprise simply come out as “Wow, he speaks!”[/quote]

It doesn’t matter whether they are being “sincere”, you moron. If some dumb bitch “sincerely” says, “wow, you finished that sentence without using any slang”, it doesn’t matter whether she actually thought that was a compliment. It is still an insult and most would take it as such.

If you were Italian and someone said, “wow, your hair isn’t greasy at all” with “sincerity”, you would think it was a compliment? Are you really that damn stupid? If you are Native American and someone says, “wow, you don’t get drunk on a regular basis!” with “sincerity”, that would be a compliment? If you are asian and someone says, “wow, you actually CAN drive!”, that would be a fucking compliment?

To anyone with a brain, they would look at the person in each of those situations like they were retarded for not understanding what a social faux pas they just made.

You, on the other hand, would sit there smiling like you just received the greatest compliment in the world.

You have proven yourself retarded. Congrats.

Meanwhile, I bet you STILL don’t get it.

I was looking for the actual transcript from Chris Rock’s routine where he attacked this very issue, but I can only find blogs referencing it. Here is one that shows that some people in this country actually do get it. I guess the ones arguing that it isn’t the case in this forum just need psychological help.

from:Search Results for “belmont” – Andymatic

Prof,

I think the majority of people are as dumb as a sack of potatoes (look at all the votes Jefferson got in NOLA). When I put ‘articulate’ in my original statement, that meant he was above the norm for the vast majority of people. It was also among several other words of praise for a fine individual.

You are assuming that I was using the word in a condescending manner. Especially when couched with other words of praise, only a paranoid would pick out the word and run with it, as you and Harris have done.

You were invited by Pookie to continue the discussion w/o rancor. You couldn’t control yourself enough to even do that?

Paranoid and childish…

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What is often referred to is ARTICULATE, as in, “wow, that black doctor sure can string words together into audible sentences that can be understood”.[/quote]

You keep peddling this, but as I asked earlier - when a guy does an ordinary job of communicating ideas to someone else, regardless of whether it is to many or a few, do you comment “meh…he was articulate. Nothing great.”? No one I know that uses the English language does that.

When you say someone is ‘articulate’ - say for example when Jason Whitlock called Bill Cosby that - you are saying they are better than average. If not, why would so many people say it? If ‘articulate’ meant ‘ordinary, basic at putting sentences together’, why would so many people be called that?

Why call Bill Clinton articulate?

http://www.sptimes.com/News/011401/news_pf/Columns/Bill_Clinton_will_go_.shtml

Why call Colin Powell articulate?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/fedagencies/july-dec04/powell_11-15.html

Why call Tom Vilsack articulate?

And, my favorite, why would Al Sharpton refer to Khalid Abdul Muhammed as articulate?

http://www.nationalreview.com/20Mar00/nordlinger032000.html

If what you say is true about the word ‘articulate’ - that it means ‘able to string sentences together in a basic way, nothing special’ - why on earth would so many people use the word as a compliment across races and situations? Why on earth would professional writers - those who get paid to know and use the language - use it in a way that is directly the opposite of what your feeble mind is claiming?

Your position is refuted by basic common usage - oh, and by the usage of the journalistic establishment, who use the word to lavish praise on people all the time. Oh, and Al Sharpton.

See above. Apparently it did.

Keep waiting. Actually, I have a better idea - post the quote, then you write my opinion of it for me any way to want, and then attack the opinion you wrote for me. That is what is going to happen anyway - since you don’t have the ordinary brainpower to read and respond to my posts without creating a strawman - and it will save me the time.

[quote]pookie wrote:

Your tale also begs the question: If those patients are such hateful racists, why the Hell do they see a black doctor in the first place?[/quote]

Great question. Where is the answer?

[quote]Harris said:
There is very little as condescending as referring to a black man as “articulate.”

I asked:
How should we indicate that a black man can speak eloquently and express his thoughts clearly then?

Still unanswered, by the way…

Harris then answered:
[i]How about just assuming that a man who graduated as Valedictorian of his high school, earned cum laude honors at his college while playing football, and is now a well-paid and sought-after broadcaster and speaker might, you know, be able to string a sentence together.

A white man with these credentials would never be referred to as articulate or someone who “speaks so well”.[/i]

And later, Harris said:
[A little HeadHunter bashing here…]
I stand by what I’ve said.

And still later, Harris said:
[i]Please ask black people if they find being called “articulate” condescending.

Most that I know class it with being asked to touch their hair.

I wasn’t offended, merely pointing out…[more Headhunter bashing here.][/i]

Oddly, Harris here points out that he wasn’t offended. Apparently once you jumped in, he decided that he was, after all, offended. Being victims is apparently easier as a group activity.

The YOU came in and said:
You’re right. Any minority with half a brain would have agreed with you.

You said: ‘You’re right.’ And you’ve clearly indicated to Thunderbolt that YOU MEAN EXACTLY WHAT YOU WRITE.

So, to recap, Harris claims that ‘articulate’ is an offensive word to a black man; with the implication that it is always the case. He’s asked for clarification, he stands by what he says. You come in and say ‘You’re right.’[/quote]

Great synopsis. Where is the answer?

Nailed it.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
pookie wrote:

Your tale also begs the question: If those patients are such hateful racists, why the Hell do they see a black doctor in the first place?

Great question. Where is the answer?
[/quote]

Please. MILITARY.

I outrank most of the patients I see everyday even though some of themn are unclear that I am in the military upon first seeing me as there are many docs here who are contract. The rest of your garbage has been responded to several times.

I will add that I have only had problems with 3 patients out of over 3 years in my current location. I am by no means categorizing most of my patients as racists or anything of the sort. Only you seem to be implying that this is the intention.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Prof,

I think the majority of people are as dumb as a sack of potatoes (look at all the votes Jefferson got in NOLA). When I put ‘articulate’ in my original statement, that meant he was above the norm for the vast majority of people. It was also among several other words of praise for a fine individual.

You are assuming that I was using the word in a condescending manner. Especially when couched with other words of praise, only a paranoid would pick out the word and run with it, as you and Harris have done.

You were invited by Pookie to continue the discussion w/o rancor. You couldn’t control yourself enough to even do that?

Paranoid and childish…[/quote]

I doubt anyone here takes you seriously. I truly mean that. I would be surprised if even ONE person would log in and claim they think you are a deep thinker and make this forum any better by your participation. I think you are an instigator, and that is all you are.

You are the type of person who writes for the soul purpose of stirring shit.

I hope that makes you happy.

It sure does make you look stupid.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
What the hell? What are you even arguing? Who gives a shit about whether an article exists anywhere using it as an insult? We aren’t discussing articles, we are discussing how PEOPLE can be RACIST by acting as if it is a miracle that a black person can speak well.[/quote]

Exactly. You and Harris have been going on and on about how the word ‘articulate,’ when used to describe a black man, is condescending, offensive and insulting.

We, who aren’t minorities with half a brain, have been endlessly explaining to you that the word ‘articulate,’ in common usage, is paid out as a compliment. You should simply thank us for having furthered your education and leave it at that.

I can provide hundreds, thousands even, of examples of the word being used in a positive way to signify that a person is able to express himself with uncommon clarity.

Obviously, you aren’t able to provide even a single example of the damn word being used derisively anywhere in print. Yet Harris is telling me I ‘pick and choose’ because the common usage of the word happens to be listed third in his dictionary.

I’m not blaming an entire minority of people with being offense-seeking idiots; that faults lies on you in particular, as an indivi-duh-al.

We should care that you have a personal list of words that you find offensive? Again, get over yourself. We use english according to its common usage - as most sensible persons do - and use the word ‘articulate’ as a compliment to someone who’s clear and fluent.

Yeah, in the state of Canada. Maybe you heard of it?

It’s quite amusing to see you attacking the very idea that you should be able to back up your assertions with more than bullshit stories from the office.

Maybe if you addressed the fucking point we’re debating instead of wasting everyone’s time performing your moronic exegesis exercises, we’d make some progress.

But never mind the articles: Can you give me a single example from anywhere, except your very own fantasy world, where we see ‘articulate’ or ‘eloquent’ being used in a demeaning way?

No? Someone who honestly and sincerely thinks you are eloquent or articulate and says so is offensive to you regardless of the intent?

Of course, in your Prof X Bizarro-world, only your opinions matter; only your perceptions are valid and only your experiences have any weight to inform about any particular circumstances.

Really, who cares about half of the equation in the interaction between two individuals?

You’re a social black hole into which common sense disappears, never to be seen again.

But only and idiot would think that was an actual compliment.

I can see how you would be confused though.

Really? You don’t say.

Fuck you’re stupid. Ever think that maybe the reactions people have to you have nothing to do with your abundance of pigmentation, but rather with your lack of common sense and basic decency?

Probably not.

Another example that no one could mistake as a compliment. Do you really think you’re bolstering your case with these pathetic and ridiculous examples?

You really are completely deluded. Do you really think that if you articulate various stupidities, people will take them all at face value without question? Where do you live? Vroomland?

Did Headhunter write about Tiki: “He doesn’t smell like wet dog much?” Because your example of ‘compliments’ would apply then. As a comparison to ‘articulate,’ you have, as usual, no fucking leg to stand on.

Do you buy these fucking strawmen by the busload? You sure seem to have an endless supply of them.

Wow, you’re almost able to debate intelligently.

I’m very sincere.

Yes, anyone with a brain can see that all your example are maladroitly disguised insults.

Apparently, though, minorities with half a brain cannot distinguish between your idiotic examples and an actual compliment.

The only smile I have now is the remnant from laughing at your idiocy.

Again, proofs aren’t your forte. In the real world, a ‘proof’ is not made by simply repeating the same brain dead argument over and over using different words in oddly constructed sentences.

I call your version of proof ‘Proof X.’ Proof from personal and perpetual perception of persecution.

As always, everyone involved gets it, except you.

[quote]pookie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
What the hell? What are you even arguing? Who gives a shit about whether an article exists anywhere using it as an insult? We aren’t discussing articles, we are discussing how PEOPLE can be RACIST by acting as if it is a miracle that a black person can speak well.

Exactly. You and Harris have been going on and on about how the word ‘articulate,’ when used to describe a black man, is condescending, offensive and insulting.

We, who aren’t minorities with half a brain, have been endlessly explaining to you that the word ‘articulate,’ in common usage, is paid out as a compliment. You should simply thank us for having furthered your education and leave it at that.[/quote]

You honestly can’t understand what is being told to you? That isn’t just sad, it’s depressing.

[quote]
I can provide hundreds, thousands even, of examples of the word being used in a positive way to signify that a person is able to express himself with uncommon clarity.[/quote]

I’ll leave it at this because continuing this is a waste of my time. Just like I mentioned with the “compliment” given to an Asian driver, that could be a legit compliment to ANYONE EXCEPT AN ASIAN PERSON BECAUSE OF THE RACE ASSOCIATED STEREOTYPE. You would have to be stupid to pretend as if RACE is never an issue when it comes to what is acceptable and what is not. You can continue that game with yourself.

I honestly gave you more credit than this before this discussion. I really mean that.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Please. MILITARY.-[/quote]

So you’re the only doctor available?

Apparently then they are many doctors available. I’m sure those hateful racists simply bide their time while you’re sticking your lubricated gloved finger up their asses, just so they can nail you with a compliment as they’re leaving.

And again, you couldn’t pass up an occasion to mention how you outrank most of the opponents - sorry, ‘patients’ - you see everyday.

Unfortunately, I’m not exactly impressed by the implied fact that people who outrank you apparently choose to see other doctors. Rank does have it’s privileges it seems.

And you picked an example that occurs on the average once a year to support the claim that anyone calling a black man ‘articulate’ is being condescending and offensive?

It’s truly a sad commentary on the sorry state of your education system (thanks, Harris) that people can even entertain the thought of taking you seriously.

Your hamstrings must be quite impressive from all that backpedaling. How does that breeze at your back feel?

Harris,

What’s your opinion of this quote from ‘The Rev’ Al Sharpton:

'Sharpton?s rhetoric could also be rather less high-flown. ?If the Jews want to get it on,? he said, ?tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house.? ’
— from Thunder’s link above

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You honestly can’t understand what is being told to you? That isn’t just sad, it’s depressing.[/quote]

What is being told to me? I think that’s the problem right there. You don’t get to ‘tell’ anyone what they must understand. You give your opinion, they give it consideration - which is already more than it deserves - and when it turns out to be ridiculous and stupid, they reject it. Unless they’re vroom, but that’s his problem.

Well then, scamper off. I’m sure your time is better wasted in threads where young 140 pounders lap up your every word in puppy-like admiration.

Ridiculous. Only a guy with no arms demonstrating how he can steer using his dick would be flattered by your ‘compliment.’

No one here has ever made that claim. Are you married to that strawman? I don’t think that’s legal in your state.

A game is generally amusing or at least mildly entertaining. The only reason I’m putting up with all this tediousness is in the hope you’ll eventually backpedal into a clue and finally get it.

You obviously prefer to remain a legend in your own mind and a clown to the world.

Do you hear the silence? That’s the sound of my worldview not crashing down around me at learning that my credit rating has been degraded by Prof X.

For someone who likes to pretend he’s a professor, you sure have a lot left to learn.

I’ll let you get back to your brown-nosing crowd now.

[quote]pookie wrote:

Apparently then they are many doctors available. I’m sure those hateful racists simply bide their time while you’re sticking your lubricated gloved finger up their asses, just so they can nail you with a compliment as they’re leaving.[/quote]

This entire post was so lame that I just had to respond, so excuse the last comment of that being my last post. In the past, when patients were first seen by the clinic, they were simply paired with whatever doctor has a time slot available.

About a month ago, I was given the opportunity to “run” my section of the clinic(which is why I don’t log in much during the weekday lately), so now, most of my patients can request to stay with me and they will…as if this were an outside practice. Before this, they were simply given to whatever open slot there was. Now you know…but considering what you do with some of this knowledge, it isn’t even half the battle.

[quote]
And again, you couldn’t pass up an occasion to mention how you outrank most of the opponents - sorry, ‘patients’ - you see everyday.[/quote]

What, that’s a secret? Your Wonder Twin, Thunderbolt tried to draw some sort of challenge because I ignored you before. Now that I answer you hold it against me? What, I should be ashamed of it? Please.

[quote]

Unfortunately, I’m not exactly impressed by the implied fact that people who outrank you apparently choose to see other doctors. Rank does have it’s privileges it seems.[/quote]

Where was this implied? Do you always just make shit up? I didn’t write this or imply it which means you simply ASSUMED IT. I see most of my patients over and over with two exceptions in the years I have been here. One was an Asian young man who nearly got an article 15 for making a racist comment to me in ear shot of my supervisor. The other was a huge black guy who claimed I intimidated him.

[quote]
And you picked an example that occurs on the average once a year to support the claim that anyone calling a black man ‘articulate’ is being condescending and offensive?[/quote]

The lamest comment you’ve made. So I can’t comment on a racist act against me…unless it happens daily? It has to be more than once? What does this piece of shit you just wrote mean? Frequency is now a factor in your understanding? Oh, that’s right…you want to pretend as if CONTEXT doesn’t matter.

Backpeddling? That’s just me doing the backstroke. I have so much time on my hands when not being challenged with a legit debate.

This would be ten times more interesting with BostonBarrister.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I doubt anyone here takes you seriously. I truly mean that. I would be surprised if even ONE person would log in and claim they think you are a deep thinker and make this forum any better by your participation. I think you are an instigator, and that is all you are.

You are the type of person who writes for the soul purpose of stirring shit.

[/quote]

I am in no way in Pookie or Thunder’s league, and never said I was. I’m a high school math teacher, for crissakes!

I do however know the meaning of a compliment and I know the difference between ‘soul’ and ‘sole’.

[quote]Edders wrote:
Don’t like it when your buddy harris gets owned huh?

Write back soon tool.
[/quote]

No offence to Harris, but I don’t think he is a buddy of mine. At times we have related viewpoints on some subjects, but it is rarely exactly the same.

Your fatal flaw is assuming there is some collusion going on and then picking sides.

Maybe one day when you grow up and think for yourself, instead of being a coward that needs to pick a side instead of standing alone, you’ll have something worthy to offer to society?

I’m not holding my breath.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This entire post was so lame that I just had to respond, so excuse the last comment of that being my last post. In the past, when patients were first seen by the clinic, they were simply paired with whatever doctor has a time slot available.

About a month ago…[/quote]

Yawn. Is anyone here interested in the details of your daily routine? Cause I sure as Hell ain’t.

You repeat, post after post, that you’d like the quote.

I quote it to you and you completely ignore it. Everyone else can see you’re silently conceding the point. If there had been the slightest way of distorting any of it to support your idiotic stance, you would’ve been all over it like white on rice.

So, please, don’t give us that ‘offended virgin’ posturing you’ve become so adept at. We can see right through it.

You claim to outrank most patients you see. It logically follows that most patients you don’t see - those who outrank you - are seeing other doctors. QED.

I’m sure high ranking officers don’t do much bathroom cleaning duty either.

That’ll teach him to comment on your eloquence. Or was he one of the other two?

No Prof X post would be complete without yet another delicious tale about your awesome impressiveness that causes giant men to quake in their boots the moment they lay eyes on you.

Too bad that when it comes to an actual debate, you’re just a mental midget.

If you’re going to draw the conclusion that calling a black man ‘articulate’ is always offensive, yes! If you want to make some kind of general rule about it, you better have something more than a once-a-year personal experience.

Once, my car broke down. I now announce that Hondas are pieces of shit, and that anyone who can’t understand what I tell him is a dumbass.

Where was the context when you first posted? Oh, wait, you conveniently skipped over that and pretend like you never wrote it.

Fuckwit.

I guess we can add ‘legit debate’ to the growing list of words you don’t understand.

Simply because you keep getting your ass handed to you in a debate, does not mean it lacks legitimacy. Debates are always hard when you have no valid arguments.

I guess getting to plug your amazing tales of dominating idiotic opponents is enough to keep you going.

Too bad you’re completely defenseless when the opponents aren’t idiotic.

The problem is that as long as you’re involved, we’re multiplying a zero.

[quote]pookie wrote:

You claim to outrank most patients you see. It logically follows that most patients you don’t see - those who outrank you - are seeing other doctors. QED.
[/quote]

You don’t know much about the military, do you? Instead of asking, you just make up shit. There are far fewer OFFICERS in the military than there are ENLISTED. By shear numbers alone, any doctor in the military will see far more ENLISTED than he will see OFFICERS.

How the hell you got from that some issue about higher ranks seeing other docs is beyond me because I probably see more of them than anyone else just because my focus is on more patient care than administrative duties that come with higher ranks.

I mean, shit, the crap you came up with is beyond belief.

[quote]pookie wrote:

Simply because you keep getting your ass handed to you in a debate, does not mean it lacks legitimacy. Debates are always hard when you have no valid arguments.

[/quote]

This one deserved its own response. Who is handing me my ass in this debate? It sure as hell isn’t you. Shit, the closest thing to it is Headhunter’s correction of a spelling/grammatical error I made. Don’t get ahead of yourself.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You don’t know much about the military, do you? Instead of asking, you just make up shit. There are far fewer OFFICERS in the military than there are ENLISTED. By shear numbers alone, any doctor in the military will see far more ENLISTED than he will see OFFICERS.[/quote]

Like I said, I don’t give a flying fuck about your daily job of asking young naked guys to cough while you hold their nutsacks.

It is entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand. You’re probably dumb enough to believe that common English usage is derived from your life experience. I assure you, it isn’t.

Shall I regal you with the endearing story of our latest Cisco router upgrade? We had a nagging dropped packet problem that I got rid of by intimidating it with my huge swinging dick.

Not interested? Now you know how we feel.

Yes, a lot of things are beyond you.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This one deserved its own response. Who is handing me my ass in this debate? It sure as hell isn’t you. Shit, the closest thing to it is Headhunter’s correction of a spelling/grammatical error I made. Don’t get ahead of yourself.[/quote]

I’ll let the readers decide that for themselves. An alien concept to your self-persecuted mindset, I’m sure; but quite common among normally educated adults.

You can scoot now.