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[quote]Professor X wrote:

You haven’t proven anything other than you can’t understand what is being written. I am not arguing dictionary definitions. I am arguing uses in society. As was pointed out to you by Vroom, the word “boy” has had very negative racial connotations due to its use. Do you think you would find that particular use (as related to slaves or blacks considered beneath whites in the past) in a dictionary? Let me guess…you would be foolish enough to claim that it has no such meaning simply because you can’t find it in a dictionary?

Please, tell me you think this.[/quote]

Holy God - you cannot be serious. I just got done posting the social usages of the word ‘articulate’ and arguing outside the dictionary. I am beside myself with laughter. I expressly addressed that point of social usage in a post direct to you with specific examples.

I am not argiung dictonary definitions either - and if you actually read my posts, you’d know. I explicitly went searching for social usages and made a post to that effect. It is there Professor X - I textually said I am explaining social usage of the term. Pookie has done the exact same thing. Dear Lord.

Don’t believe me? Here is that post:

[quote]You keep peddling this, but as I asked earlier - when a guy does an ordinary job of communicating ideas to someone else, regardless of whether it is to many or a few, do you comment “meh…he was articulate. Nothing great.”? No one I know that uses the English language does that.

When you say someone is ‘articulate’ - say for example when Jason Whitlock called Bill Cosby that - you are saying they are better than average. If not, why would so many people say it? If ‘articulate’ meant ‘ordinary, basic at putting sentences together’, why would so many people be called that?

Why call Bill Clinton articulate?

http://www.sptimes.com/…will_go.shtml

Why call Colin Powell articulate?

http://www.pbs.org/...well_11-15.html

Why call Tom Vilsack articulate?

http://www.motherjones.com/.../06/06_520.html

And, my favorite, why would Al Sharpton refer to Khalid Abdul Muhammed as articulate?

http://www.nationalreview.com/...nger032000.html

If what you say is true about the word ‘articulate’ - that it means ‘able to string sentences together in a basic way, nothing special’ - why on earth would so many people use the word as a compliment across races and situations? Why on earth would professional writers - those who get paid to know and use the language - use it in a way that is directly the opposite of what your feeble mind is claiming?

Your position is refuted by basic common usage - oh, and by the usage of the journalistic establishment, who use the word to lavish praise on people all the time. Oh, and Al Sharpton. [/quote]

“Your post is refuted by basic common usage” - did you read that before you posted your dumbass comment above?

I have discovered the root of the problem, and I mean this as directly as possible - you aren’t very bright or you are trying to obfuscate or you simply argue in bad faith. It is all there for you to read, and you simply don’t, won’t, or can’t.

Seriously. This has grown into a sad tragedy. Anyone reading these posts sees right through you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

That was NOT my argument. I have already told you this by bringing up other terms and even other instances with other races. Why lie? My argument, once again for the slow people, is not about the use of just one word. Why even play that game? Why not at least do better at it?[/quote]

Yes, it was your argument - you specifically addressed the word ‘articulate’ as meaning ‘basic usage of words’, and that is why the usage of it towards minorities was racist.

You said it yourself. Now you are trying to change course, because you have been painted into a corner. Why do that when everyone here can see what you are doing?

I’ll ask you directly, yes or no - did you claim that since the specific word ‘articulate’ meant ‘basic use of words’, that describing a minority with that word presumed minorites generally to be incapable of basic common word-usage and was therefore racist?

Yes or no?

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Prof,

Just curious: If you someday have a son and one of his teachers sent home a note saying: “Your son is a fine young boy, well-mannered, and thoughtful.”, would you proceed to file racism charges against the teacher? If its a man, would you beat his racist ass within an inch of his life? Just curious.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Prof,

Just curious: If you someday have a son and one of his teachers sent home a note saying: “Your son is a fine young boy, well-mannered, and thoughtful.”, would you proceed to file racism charges against the teacher? If its a man, would you beat his racist ass within an inch of his life? Just curious.
[/quote]

First, he would send them a letter telling them how intimidating he is.

Second, he would presume the person to be a racist.

Third, he would begin to openly weep if someone actually tried to explain a rational reason why the guy isn’t a racist.

Fourth, he would then respond to such rationality: “Oh yeah, did I tell you how intimidating I am?”

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[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:

What I find hard to believe is that you’d even respond to this guy.

[/quote]

People like him, the ones who clearly would never open their mouths in front of the object they focus on in these forums, intrigue me. This is his only voice. I just find it funny that he makes it clear why he doesn’t use his own in “real life”.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

You haven’t proven anything other than you can’t understand what is being written. I am not arguing dictionary definitions. I am arguing uses in society. As was pointed out to you by Vroom, the word “boy” has had very negative racial connotations due to its use. Do you think you would find that particular use (as related to slaves or blacks considered beneath whites in the past) in a dictionary? Let me guess…you would be foolish enough to claim that it has no such meaning simply because you can’t find it in a dictionary?

Please, tell me you think this.

Holy God - you cannot be serious. I just got done posting the social usages of the word ‘articulate’ and arguing outside the dictionary. I am beside myself with laughter. I expressly addressed that point of social usage in a post direct to you with specific examples.

I am not argiung dictonary definitions either - and if you actually read my posts, you’d know. I explicitly went searching for social usages and made a post to that effect. It is there Professor X - I textually said I am explaining social usage of the term. Pookie has done the exact same thing. Dear Lord.

Don’t believe me? Here is that post:

You keep peddling this, but as I asked earlier - when a guy does an ordinary job of communicating ideas to someone else, regardless of whether it is to many or a few, do you comment “meh…he was articulate. Nothing great.”? No one I know that uses the English language does that.

When you say someone is ‘articulate’ - say for example when Jason Whitlock called Bill Cosby that - you are saying they are better than average. If not, why would so many people say it? If ‘articulate’ meant ‘ordinary, basic at putting sentences together’, why would so many people be called that?

Why call Bill Clinton articulate?

http://www.sptimes.com/…will_go.shtml

Why call Colin Powell articulate?

http://www.pbs.org/...well_11-15.html

Why call Tom Vilsack articulate?

http://www.motherjones.com/.../06/06_520.html

And, my favorite, why would Al Sharpton refer to Khalid Abdul Muhammed as articulate?

http://www.nationalreview.com/...nger032000.html

If what you say is true about the word ‘articulate’ - that it means ‘able to string sentences together in a basic way, nothing special’ - why on earth would so many people use the word as a compliment across races and situations? Why on earth would professional writers - those who get paid to know and use the language - use it in a way that is directly the opposite of what your feeble mind is claiming?

Your position is refuted by basic common usage - oh, and by the usage of the journalistic establishment, who use the word to lavish praise on people all the time. Oh, and Al Sharpton.

“Your post is refuted by basic common usage” - did you read that before you posted your dumbass comment above?

I have discovered the root of the problem, and I mean this as directly as possible - you aren’t very bright or you are trying to obfuscate or you simply argue in bad faith. It is all there for you to read, and you simply don’t, won’t, or can’t.

Seriously. This has grown into a sad tragedy. Anyone reading these posts sees right through you.[/quote]

That was a poor (and ridiculously LONG) evasion. Again, simple question, guy…do you or do you not acknowledge the use of the word “boy” as a racist term?

Just answer the question. Why skip around it?

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

That was NOT my argument. I have already told you this by bringing up other terms and even other instances with other races. Why lie? My argument, once again for the slow people, is not about the use of just one word. Why even play that game? Why not at least do better at it?

Yes, it was your argument - you specifically addressed the word ‘articulate’ as meaning ‘basic usage of words’, and that is why the usage of it towards minorities was racist.

You said it yourself. Now you are trying to change course, because you have been painted into a corner. Why do that when everyone here can see what you are doing?

I’ll ask you directly, yes or no - did you claim that since the specific word ‘articulate’ meant ‘basic use of words’, that describing a minority with that word presumed minorites generally to be incapable of basic common word-usage and was therefore racist?

Yes or no? [/quote]

NO. That isn’t what is being debated here. You would have to be a fool to think otherwise. I have given you context and you ignore it. Why act as if I am saying that it blanketly applies to all cases? Again, why lie? You won’t post any direct quotes from me…because it would prove you a liar.

I choose my words with more care than you seem to think.

That’s why you won’t post any specific quotes from me. You can only keep typing if you change what was written.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Prof,

Just curious: If you someday have a son and one of his teachers sent home a note saying: “Your son is a fine young boy, well-mannered, and thoughtful.”, would you proceed to file racism charges against the teacher? If its a man, would you beat his racist ass within an inch of his life? Just curious.
[/quote]

Of course not. If you think otherwise, then you haven’t listened to one word in this thread. You have been too busy putting words into people’s mouths. The issue…and I do know you have problems with things like this…is CONTEXT.

Please pretend as if this hasn’t been stated.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

(vroomism)[/quote]

That must’ve been painful to write.

We can let a computer do it using Markov chains:

[i]Ahahahaah! Bwahahahahaaha! Are you fucken serious? You can’t just dismiss the readily observed issues that people face on a daily basis – which is very impressed and gives a nice glowing compliment “Boy, you done speak english real good”. So, he’s really impressed, and has no clue that he may have been a bit like the air they breathe. It is difficult to ascertain.

However, I’ve written quite a few things. Heck, if you didn’t assume you were the center or the master of anything. From your point of view or one issue under discussion. Nearly every thread around here has each person discussing things from their own point of view I may be aggravated by it.

Can anyone see why?

Anyone? Spicoli? This is an issue in their view. This is an issue here that a compliment because of the time.

You and Pookie are both sounding like naive little altar boys who have no fucking clue. Yes, yes, I know, tell me again how it can be ascribed to one particular compliment from ever being an insult, you contradict your statement claiming that you actually understand that compliments (all of them) can be incorrectly applied.[/i]

Hard to tell the difference, no?

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[quote]Edders wrote:
And I don’t believe the bullshit you spread about your lifting numbers. But by the style of your posts you’re a whiny bitch.

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[/quote]

            From your first post at this site, you have been a whiny little shit head, from your comments in re to the db's row you are either a girl or a small boy, i would go for the small boy, don't want to insult girls. Your view in re to training numbers and training is

worthless.
‘’ WAHAHAH’’ wtf, why don’t you get back to class, boy.

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[quote]Edders wrote:
vroom wrote:

Your fatal flaw is assuming there is some collusion going on and then picking sides.

I’ve been reading these threads a long time.

[/quote]

  Not half as long as i have been  and you would have to be one of the biggest sheadheads in a quite a long time to come along, now fuck off back to class and perhaps you may learn how to be and train like a man but i doubt it.

please don’t post back, shithead.

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[quote]vroom wrote:

Edders, you seem to be one of those people that is stupid enough to be impressed when others claim victory or to think insults win arguments.[/quote]

That’s not the case. If insults won arguments you would have actually have won by now.

I am impressed with someone who can stay on topic and argue the point in an articulate manner…black or white.

Again, that’s not you.

That’s true enough. We all know that it’s your limited experience and thinking that make you wrong.

No, actually it makes me appreciate what a joke that thunder and pookie make out of you and your fellow bullshit artists.

You vroom have way to much time on your hands, and you have for quite a while.

Does that make you a loser?

Well, maybe to some. To me you’re just another misguided Internet guy who can’t hold his own with the others.

Write back soon, this is fun.

:wink:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Prof,

Just curious: If you someday have a son and one of his teachers sent home a note saying: “Your son is a fine young boy, well-mannered, and thoughtful.”, would you proceed to file racism charges against the teacher? If its a man, would you beat his racist ass within an inch of his life? Just curious.

Of course not. If you think otherwise, then you haven’t listened to one word in this thread. You have been too busy putting words into people’s mouths. The issue…and I do know you have problems with things like this…is CONTEXT.

Please pretend as if this hasn’t been stated.

[/quote]

Well, in my original post, I included several other (what I thought) complimentary things about Mr. Barber. I didn’t just say, “He’s articulate.”.

It was not my intent to condescend to anyone. I have, IMO, unjustly earned a reputation for racism, which set Harris off. However, as I’ve said before, being critical of BLACK LIBERALS (and white liberals) does NOT make me a racist. Perhaps from your perspective, it does, but there’s nothing I can do about that.

I chose to praise Tiki Barber because he’s a conservative and I hoped it would put to rest the erroneous belief that I am racist. I rip black and white libs. I support black and white conservatives. Its as simple as that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
my pictures have been seen by many on this forum. Care to post yours? Didn’t think so. [/quote]

You say that they are your pictures, but this is the Internet how do we know? It could be anybody right? Your brother, your neighbor etc.

Stop trying to seek approval over the Internet. Actually try building some long lasting personal relationships in your real life.

Oh that’s right you tried that and you make everyone whom you come in contact with sick. At least that’s what must have happened if you act even 1/10th as obnoxious as you do on this forum.

Okay…post on, you have thousands more posts in you I’m sure.

Wahahahahahaha

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Prof,

Just curious: If you someday have a son and one of his teachers sent home a note saying: “Your son is a fine young boy, well-mannered, and thoughtful.”, would you proceed to file racism charges against the teacher? If its a man, would you beat his racist ass within an inch of his life? Just curious.
[/quote]

LOL

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:

What I find hard to believe is that you’d even respond to this guy.

People like him, the ones who clearly would never open their mouths in front of the object they focus on in these forums[/quote]

Of course I wouldn’t it’s because I’m so very afraid of all those 200+ pounds you carry around.

And I’d be so very intimidated by your giant intellect.

LOL not hardly you frigging bullshit artist.

Psst…and here’s more information for you. You don’t intimidate or impress anyone on these threads.

Most think you’re a joke.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Prof,

Just curious: If you someday have a son and one of his teachers sent home a note saying: “Your son is a fine young boy, well-mannered, and thoughtful.”, would you proceed to file racism charges against the teacher? If its a man, would you beat his racist ass within an inch of his life? Just curious.

Of course not. If you think otherwise, then you haven’t listened to one word in this thread. You have been too busy putting words into people’s mouths. The issue…and I do know you have problems with things like this…is CONTEXT.

Please pretend as if this hasn’t been stated.

Well, in my original post, I included several other (what I thought) complimentary things about Mr. Barber. I didn’t just say, “He’s articulate.”.

It was not my intent to condescend to anyone. I have, IMO, unjustly earned a reputation for racism, which set Harris off. However, as I’ve said before, being critical of BLACK LIBERALS (and white liberals) does NOT make me a racist. Perhaps from your perspective, it does, but there’s nothing I can do about that.

I chose to praise Tiki Barber because he’s a conservative and I hoped it would put to rest the erroneous belief that I am racist. I rip black and white libs. I support black and white conservatives. Its as simple as that.

[/quote]

I don’t know if you are a racist or not. I haven’t seen anything you’ve written that makes me think anything other than that you just try to stir shit up. It’s irritating. It doesn’t surprise me that Al Durr wrote everything he did to you.

I already knew he and Harris felt that way from past posts…which was why I agreed with Harris in this one…BECAUSE IT WAS YOU WRITING IT. You simply have a couple of blind posters who took that as an opportunity to act as if the statement could not be used as a form of racism AND that it doesn’t have a fairly public and firm history in the black community as still being an issue depending on who says it.

That was why I referenced that Chris Rock routine because that was the most public attack of it that I can think of.

Instead of simply saying, “oh, I didn’t know that was an issue”, you and “your boys” decided to act as if this simply could not be and that anyone who believed as such had problems with perception.

Honestly, go back and read some of Vroom’s posts in this thread. While he has no problem speaking for himself, if you truly believe that everything he wrote is false, it isn’t him that has the issue.

One more tip…try to avoid telling people what they have experienced or how those experiences should be interpreted.

As a non-minority, I doubt anyone even attempts such a thing with you even though it happens to minorities on a regular basis it seems.

One more thing…if someone like “Edders” is in your corner…re-evaluate your corner.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

That was a poor (and ridiculously LONG) evasion. Again, simple question, guy…do you or do you not acknowledge the use of the word “boy” as a racist term?

Just answer the question. Why skip around it? [/quote]

Let’s recap.

  1. You say I have refused to look at the word ‘articulate’ outside of the dictionary context - that I haven’t looked at social usage.

  2. I re-post an argument that specifically used social usage to refute your claim on the word ‘articulate’.

  3. In perhaps the one of the worst attempts at misdirection you have attmepted, you pretend you didn’t just get your comment thrown back in your face, and you try and say I am evading in hopes that will distract me and whoever else is reading this.

Now, question - did I or did I not use ‘social usage’ of the word ‘articulate’? Because you said I didn’t - and I did. Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

As to your question, I absolutely believe the word ‘boy’ can have a racist overtone - I have seen it used in such a way. So what? What does that have to do with whether your claim that ‘articulate’ has a racist overtone?

You said ‘articulate’ has a racist overtone. I say it doesn’t, because social usage completely refutes your claim. You then say I haven’t considered the social usage of the word ‘articulate’. I then re-post where I did exactly that. You then try and change the subject again.

Everyone is reading this and comprehending exactly what you are doing - why embarrass yourself further?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I’ll ask you directly, yes or no - did you claim that since the specific word ‘articulate’ meant ‘basic use of words’, that describing a minority with that word presumed minorites generally to be incapable of basic common word-usage and was therefore racist?

Yes or no?

NO.[quote]

You say NO. But earlier you posted:

No? You mean the above did not mean that ‘articulate’ means 'able to string words together into audible sentences that can be understood, nor did it mean that the use of ‘articulate’ to describe a minority was racist because it assumes minorities generally can’t “string together audible sentences that can be understood”?

No? You are going to insist no when everyone can read exactly what you wrote?

No - you supplied a definition for ‘articulate’ that was false, and we have refuted your definition. Stop trying to pretend that you are suddenly interested in context - you certainly didn’t need context earlier when you said ‘articulate’ was no compliment at all without any real context, based solely on the definition and usage of the word - so why would you need context now?

Unless you want to engage in misdirection once again in hopes that no one will see through your bullshit story?

Oh, I don’t doubt that a bit. When you realize you are caught, you change the subject or obfuscate. You know exactly what you are up to. Problem is, so do I, and so does any reader of this thread.

Quote above. I changed nothing. You made a specific argument on the word ‘articulate’ and its meaning. I refuted that. Pookie refuted that. Why not fess up and we can move on to a different word and different situations?

That fragile ego of yours will never let you bow out. Always looking for the last word, no matter how desperate it looks. I am fine to let it go, but I won’t let you get away with patent misdirection.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I’ll ask you directly, yes or no - did you claim that since the specific word ‘articulate’ meant ‘basic use of words’, that describing a minority with that word presumed minorites generally to be incapable of basic common word-usage and was therefore racist?

Yes or no?

NO.

You say NO. But earlier you posted:

What is often referred to is ARTICULATE, as in, “wow, that black doctor sure can string words together into audible sentences that can be understood”.

No? You mean the above did not mean that ‘articulate’ means 'able to string words together into audible sentences that can be understood, nor did it mean that the use of ‘articulate’ to describe a minority was racist because it assumes minorities generally can’t “string together audible sentences that can be understood”?[/quote]

Are you truly this dumb? The issue, once again, dear retarded one…IS CONTEXT. That means, NO, it does not take on that meaning every single time it is used and is based on CONTEXT.

Wait, did you read the word “CONTEXT”?

Wait, let me type it again…CONTEXT.

Get smarter. Try again.

You don’t want to understand, making anymore discussion useless. My response hasn’t changed.

Did you read that blog? What did you think of the comment of “black gentlemen”? Can you even comprehend it? Tell me what you think the social relevance is. Let me know if you can grasp it in any way at all.

I really want to know if you even get it.