Tiger Woods, Anti-Marriage Posterboy

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

Trust me a woman in love can do some fucked up shit when she feels wronged.[/quote]

THIS statement here is what this thread is about. That “fucked up shit” that everyone in this thread is claiming their wives would NEVER EVER resort to seems to be the lie men get told so we feel safe about marriage in the first place.

Yes, we all know the saying “a woman scorned”…but it is because of that I am making an issue here.

I personally think any man who thinks his wife is above this is either married to a real life angel or he is lying to himself.[/quote]

We get it X…you think marriage is a farce and men are suckers for tying the knot. You bring this up once a week. If you don’t want to get married don’t. God knows you have plenty of quantitative data to back up your assertions about the ridiculous nature of the ceremony.

Some people are obviously betting that at the moment they are happier married then they would be if we weren’t and that if some reason it goes south we at least had that. Humans are all about optimizing there own happiness at the moment. Probably because a half million years ago our odds of living till tomorrow were pretty crappy.

If you meet someone who can’t stop thinking about and can see yourself having little X’s with perhaps this evolutionary trait might kick in…or not.

Same principle applies to the former Ms. Tiger Woods. She enjoyed her life with for some time, she perhaps feels horrible now, but perhaps when she is 70, she will see her life in a different way i.e. averaged over lifetime she was pretty happy.

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[quote]pja wrote:

We get it X…you think marriage is a farce and men are suckers for tying the knot.
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This hasn’t been said. I am now realizing that things do need to be in crayon for some of you. The point is NOT that “marriage is a farce”. The point, for at least the 5th time, is that if you have assets, you are one dumb mutherfucker to jump into marriage with no thought at all to the fact that most marriages fail and if your own does, you will have hell to pay as a result…so protect yourself.

I think the question at this point is why so many of you have a problem with people not treating marriage like it involves magical dust.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pja wrote:

We get it X…you think marriage is a farce and men are suckers for tying the knot.
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This hasn’t been said. I am now realizing that things do need to be in crayon for some of you. The point is NOT that “marriage is a farce”. The point, for at least the 5th time, is that if you have assets, you are one dumb mutherfucker to jump into marriage with no thought at all to the fact that most marriages fail and if your own does, you will have hell to pay as a result…so protect yourself.

I think the question at this point is why so many of you have a problem with people not treating marriage like it involves magical dust.[/quote]

Come on now I was trying to be civil. No need to belittle.

I met my wife in college when we both had barely a cent to rub together. Ten years and many more years of school later we married. She was a schoolteacher, me a professor. Do you really think after ten years I needed to go and sign a pre-nupt regardless that she made a fourth of what I made?

If so, then as I said initially, your view on marriage is clear. Which is fine. Not everybody should get married. I have an uncle who is 85 years old and never married and he is one of the best men I know. To each their own.

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[quote]pja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pja wrote:

We get it X…you think marriage is a farce and men are suckers for tying the knot.
[/quote]

This hasn’t been said. I am now realizing that things do need to be in crayon for some of you. The point is NOT that “marriage is a farce”. The point, for at least the 5th time, is that if you have assets, you are one dumb mutherfucker to jump into marriage with no thought at all to the fact that most marriages fail and if your own does, you will have hell to pay as a result…so protect yourself.

I think the question at this point is why so many of you have a problem with people not treating marriage like it involves magical dust.[/quote]

Come on now I was trying to be civil. No need to belittle.

I met my wife in college when we both had barely a cent to rub together. Ten years and many more years of school later we married. She was a schoolteacher, me a professor. Do you really think after ten years I needed to go and sign a pre-nupt regardless that she made a fourth of what I made?

If so, then as I said initially, your view on marriage is clear. Which is fine. Not everybody should get married. I have an uncle who is 85 years old and never married and he is one of the best men I know. To each their own.

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Like I said, CRAYON. If you met your wife when you had no assets, then why do you think you fit into the discussion we are having now?

Unless you were making much more money than her and at least six figures a year by yourself before you met, then what you experienced is not what we are discussing.

We are not discussing some scenario where you literally grow up with the woman and marry your childhood sweetheart. Unless you think most people experience the same, why are you commenting?

Edit: and now that you mention it, what makes you think you are immune to ever getting a divorce?

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Ok fair enough.

Say I had become a professor at 20, started a company and made a fortune already. Then I met a girl and dated her for 10 years before I got married. Do I still need a pre-nupt then?

Perhaps the main issue, which I didn’t communicate clearly, is that people don’t know who they are marrying before they get married. Just because you know she likes it on top doesn’t mean you know her…and sure people change but they don’t change that much.

If you are around somebody for long enough you can tell whether or not they will attempt to screw you if you should happen to drift apart. You once mentioned something about arguments and how you dump anybody who argues with you ( I am paraphrasing so don’t start calling me a neanderthal).

How somebody behaves during and after an argument is a good measuring stick. Do you they hold a grudge for the heated words that ultimately are always uttered during such an argument? Do they constantly use it against you later on down the line? etc…

I can’t say one way or another whether we will be married forever. Statistics say we won’t. However I do know that if we ever got divorced she wouldn’t try to screw me in the settlement. Know who you marry.

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[quote]pja wrote:

I can’t say one way or another whether we will be married forever. Statistics say we won’t. However I do know that if we ever got divorced she wouldn’t try to screw me in the settlement. Know who you marry.[/quote]

Wait, how do you know this? You are assuming you won’t ever do anything to piss her off to that degree. Isn’t that one huge assumption?

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Then she would divorce me and have nothing to do with me ever again. But she wouldn’t try to hurt me just because I hurt her. I know this because I know who she is as a person. You aren’t going to believe this which is fine. If you ever find somebody that you know this well then perhaps you will understand.

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^ I hope you never find out if you are right or wrong.

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I really hope none of you are that foolish to believe that Tiger Woods married a girl because he actually wanted to. It’s all about sales!

Nike, Gatorade, other companies I can’t remember… Who do you think is going to sell more in the golf world?
A guy who’s a single swinging bachelor, or a “happily married” man with a wife and kids?

The “American Dream” sells SHITLOADS more to the older/richer crowd.

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four60: I will say thanks even though I believe the actual intent of that comment doesn’t deserve it.

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[quote]Eli B wrote:
sing with me.
preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-nup[/quote]

I wonder, if Tiger had one worked out with her, would she “try and make it work”? I bet she would.

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[quote]pja wrote:
Then she would divorce me and have nothing to do with me ever again. But she wouldn’t try to hurt me just because I hurt her. I know this because I know who she is as a person. You aren’t going to believe this which is fine. If you ever find somebody that you know this well then perhaps you will understand.
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Dude, no offense, but I am willing to bet most men think their wife wouldn’t do that on the day they hook up. If they did think that, they probably wouldn’t go through with it. Do you think even most people who get divorced thought they would get divorced on their wedding day or when things were going great in the beginning?

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Right now, on some Estrogen Nation forum on the internet, there’s a thread titled “Elin Nordegren, Anti-Marriage Postergirl”. They’re all railing on about what a deceitful, lying, cheating prick Tiger Woods is, and how it’s too bad there isn’t a better system for the protection of women.

lol

I am joking of course. But only half way.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pja wrote:
Then she would divorce me and have nothing to do with me ever again. But she wouldn’t try to hurt me just because I hurt her. I know this because I know who she is as a person. You aren’t going to believe this which is fine. If you ever find somebody that you know this well then perhaps you will understand.
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Dude, no offense, but I am willing to bet most men think their wife wouldn’t do that on the day they hook up. If they did think that, they probably wouldn’t go through with it. Do you think even most people who get divorced thought they would get divorced on their wedding day or when things were going great in the beginning?[/quote]

The point is most men date a girl for a year maybe a year and a half and then propose. Not enough time in my opinion for life to throw various things at you to see how this women you are with responds…that is my point. What’s the rush?

It would be interesting to see how the rate of divorce correlates with the number of years you dated someone before marrying them.

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[quote]pja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pja wrote:
Then she would divorce me and have nothing to do with me ever again. But she wouldn’t try to hurt me just because I hurt her. I know this because I know who she is as a person. You aren’t going to believe this which is fine. If you ever find somebody that you know this well then perhaps you will understand.
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Dude, no offense, but I am willing to bet most men think their wife wouldn’t do that on the day they hook up. If they did think that, they probably wouldn’t go through with it. Do you think even most people who get divorced thought they would get divorced on their wedding day or when things were going great in the beginning?[/quote]

The point is most men date a girl for a year maybe a year and a half and then propose. Not enough time in my opinion for life to throw various things at you to see how this women you are with responds…that is my point. What’s the rush?

It would be interesting to see how the rate of divorce correlates with the number of years you dated someone before marrying them.

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I don’t disagree with you on that one point, though…so why come in the thread like you need to teach me something?

I hope you never get divorced. From what I hear, it sucks for all parties involved. But no one knows if their marriage may ever go there or not. I also know that making a marriage work is CONSTANT WORK, not something you settle into. That means at any point in the future if one or both parties stop working at it, it will fall apart.

My only question is why, in this day and age, why we still treat marriage like we need to protect the women to this degree as far as divorce…and why it is still seen as socially awkward to discuss being prepared in case of marriage failure?

Some of you came in this thread like I had assaulted your entire belief structure with that initial post.

Why is that? Why do you get attacked if you so much as imply that marriage isn’t magic?

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Can’t we just give girls ring pops and leave it at that?

Let’s leave the churches and the government out of the sexroom.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pja wrote:
Then she would divorce me and have nothing to do with me ever again. But she wouldn’t try to hurt me just because I hurt her. I know this because I know who she is as a person. You aren’t going to believe this which is fine. If you ever find somebody that you know this well then perhaps you will understand.
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Dude, no offense, but I am willing to bet most men think their wife wouldn’t do that on the day they hook up. If they did think that, they probably wouldn’t go through with it. Do you think even most people who get divorced thought they would get divorced on their wedding day or when things were going great in the beginning?[/quote]

The point is most men date a girl for a year maybe a year and a half and then propose. Not enough time in my opinion for life to throw various things at you to see how this women you are with responds…that is my point. What’s the rush?

It would be interesting to see how the rate of divorce correlates with the number of years you dated someone before marrying them.

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I don’t disagree with you on that one point, though…so why come in the thread like you need to teach me something?

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I get paid to teach so habit? ; )

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Right now, on some Estrogen Nation forum on the internet, there’s a thread titled “Elin Nordegren, Anti-Marriage Postergirl”. They’re all railing on about what a deceitful, lying, cheating prick Tiger Woods is, and how it’s too bad there isn’t a better system for the protection of women.

lol

I am joking of course. But only half way.

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Dammit, we’ve been found out!

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I recently found out that in California once you get married your spouse has rights BY LAW to half of your financial assets/liabilities. So the jalopy you had before you got hitched is safe from your ex-wife, but the BMW you bought after is fair game in divorce preceedings. On the other hand, if you owe the IRS thousands from your work, they can go after your wife’s posessions too. Seems to me a pretty good reason for a pre-nup, if you’ve got a solid net worth. I, however, don’t. So I’m not worried. Yet.

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Must be some pretty shitty bonds between some people if they would destory you after a divcore. You should have so many life experiences with that person before marriage that bring you together that you wouldn’t do that to the person even if shit went wrong. It’s like your homeboy…you do anything, and die for em…you go through thick and thin…you do that shit with your wife. In the end if things don’t go right, you can talk it out normally instead of having a childish hissy fit of who’s gonna fuck the other one more.