Tiger Woods, Anti-Marriage Posterboy

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[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:
I don’t understand the line of thinking that if you ask for a prenup it means you don’t “really” love them. [/quote]

No, I don’t think it means you don’t really love them. Just that it brings a bit of a cold practicality to matters of the heart, which doesn’t jibe with some women’s (or men’s) view of the proverbial romantic ending.

But that shouldn’t be a reason not to have a pre-nup if you have serious assets to protect. No matter how great a relationship is, many, many things beyond our control can cause it to go south, that’s an unfortunate truth.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:


Elin Nordegren on Tiger Woods: ‘I’ve been through hell’

[quote]The three key takeaways from Nordegren’s story are:

â?¢ She says she is in no way a violent person, calling any speculation that she swung a golf club at Woods on Thanksgiving night “ridiculous.”

â?¢ She was completely broadsided by the news of Woods’ extramarital affairs, believing that she was the only woman in his life. In short, she was as surprised as most of the rest of the world that the persona Woods put forth â?? dedicated competitor, family man â?? was a carefully constructed sham. “I’m so embarassed that I never suspected [his affairs] â?? not a one,” she said.

â?¢ In line with that, she said she believed fully that her relationship with Woods was a real marriage, not an act orchestrated for cameras and sponsors. “The word betrayal is just not strong enough,” she told People. “I have been through the stages of disbelief and shock to anger and ultimately grief over the loss of the family I so badly wanted for my children.” [/quote]

Has she really been through hell? This woman is now carrying more cash in her wallet than most states in this country yet she’s been through hell?

Are you fucking kidding me?

This right here is why marriage is not worth the effort if you happen to be a celebrity…or hell, even just someone who has something to lose in a divorce. It isn’t that she just speaks out about an affair, but more that she spends so much time dragging Tiger’s name further through the mud (if that’s possible) by acting like his life is all a sham.

Just a question to you guys who got married…if it ever went south, would your girl be out to destroy you?

If so, it it worth it?[/quote]

you don;t have to be rich, if you make six figures or above bet your ass you will suffer, after all you OWE them, for what? not sure, never could figure that out, my theory has always been each party should leave teh table with what they brought to the table…guess what? the courts don’t give a fuck about my theory. As far as Tigers ex…like you i feel like if that is suffering than damn BRING SOME SUFFERING MY WAY!

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I have trouble believing that she was so clueless about Tiger’s infidelity. He is a professional athlete who tours all across the world. Athletes, rockstars, etc. as a whole have a track record of cheating.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:


Elin Nordegren on Tiger Woods: ‘I’ve been through hell’

[quote]The three key takeaways from Nordegren’s story are:

â?¢ She says she is in no way a violent person, calling any speculation that she swung a golf club at Woods on Thanksgiving night “ridiculous.”

â?¢ She was completely broadsided by the news of Woods’ extramarital affairs, believing that she was the only woman in his life. In short, she was as surprised as most of the rest of the world that the persona Woods put forth â?? dedicated competitor, family man â?? was a carefully constructed sham. “I’m so embarassed that I never suspected [his affairs] â?? not a one,” she said.

â?¢ In line with that, she said she believed fully that her relationship with Woods was a real marriage, not an act orchestrated for cameras and sponsors. “The word betrayal is just not strong enough,” she told People. “I have been through the stages of disbelief and shock to anger and ultimately grief over the loss of the family I so badly wanted for my children.” [/quote]

Has she really been through hell? This woman is now carrying more cash in her wallet than most states in this country yet she’s been through hell?

Are you fucking kidding me?

This right here is why marriage is not worth the effort if you happen to be a celebrity…or hell, even just someone who has something to lose in a divorce. It isn’t that she just speaks out about an affair, but more that she spends so much time dragging Tiger’s name further through the mud (if that’s possible) by acting like his life is all a sham.

Just a question to you guys who got married…if it ever went south, would your girl be out to destroy you?

If so, it it worth it?[/quote]

I thought she wasn’t allowed to say Tiger’s name? If I was his attorney’s I’d be getting a court order to evacuate her bank accounts right now.

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[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:
There is nothing wrong with asking for a prenup. If I ever decided to get married again, I’d want to keep finances separate. Split the mortgage, you pay for your car, I pay for mine, etc. If I want to buy a $300 purse, you won’t care. If you want to spend $100 a month for supplements, I won’t care. I actually worry about how to broach this subject with a man and most people assure me a man won’t have a problem with the concept.

Second point, two attorneys, 35 years old, together 10 years, finally marry. Both have houses, both have cars, both have appreciable income. BOTH wanted a prenup. I don’t understand the line of thinking that if you ask for a prenup it means you don’t “really” love them. Goes back to the antiquated notion that women need a man to provide for them. It’s 2010 people.[/quote]

When attorneys get divorced, do they hire themselves?

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Tiger Woods has been in the public eye since he was two. His life is probably riddled with fuck-ups and mistakes he could afford to make, but we never see. I doubt he lead an unblemished life up until marrying Elin.

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[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
I thought part of the reason Elin got half a bagillion dollars was to keep her mouth shut. Running out and talking to People is not my idea of staying quiet. Sure, she might not be directly discussing the events, but common sense would tell you that Tiger wanted to hush her up to protect his image.

And I am sorry, but I think she is playing the “poor, poor me” hand pretty heavily. I can verify that as a divorced woman with a child, the entire situation sucks. And yes, Elin had her problems paraded about in front of the world which must have been humiliating. But, if that is what made things so bad for her, why does she continue to put herself in the public eye? If your family is so traumatized by it, stay home and take care of it, don’t continue to parade your problems out there for everyone to see.

And as far as her going back to school so she can councel children of “broken homes”, I call bullshit. If she truly cared about what was best for her own children she would realize that defaming their father publicly is a bad move. There are times I want to rip my ex’s throat out, but I never let my daughter know that; that is just plain irresponsible. You keep the disagreements and fights away from the kids’ ears if you really want to help them to cope. [/quote]

Best post on this thread.

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Her sister is an attorney.

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[quote]roybot wrote:
Her sister is an attorney.[/quote]

Either way, it seems people (including quite a few here) are naive enough to throw this woman a parade when her current actions should be bringing more questions about her, not Tiger.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Her sister is an attorney.[/quote]

Either way, it seems people (including quite a few here) are naive enough to throw this woman a parade when her current actions should be bringing more questions about her, not Tiger.[/quote]

I can see where you’re going with this…

I don’t believe that she entered into the marriage with no idea of what she was getting into. She had the counsel of her sister to fall back on when Tiger asked for her hand in marriage, and I believe, due to his upbringing (which dropped him in the crap in the first place), he lacked the nous to legally safeguard himself - it has happened before.

Her manipulation of the media post-divorce supports that, so we agree.

Having said that, I think that the fact that she can fling herself on magazine covers with impunity after a monumental payout suggests that he has far bigger skeletons to hide.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Her sister is an attorney.[/quote]

Either way, it seems people (including quite a few here) are naive enough to throw this woman a parade when her current actions should be bringing more questions about her, not Tiger.[/quote]

I can see where you’re going with this…

I don’t believe that she entered into the marriage with no idea of what she was getting into. She had the counsel of her sister to fall back on when Tiger asked for her hand in marriage, and I believe, due to his upbringing (which dropped him in the crap in the first place), he lacked the nous to legally safeguard himself - it has happened before.

Her manipulation of the media post-divorce supports that, so we agree.

Having said that, I think that the fact that she can fling herself on magazine covers with impunity after a monumental payout suggests that he has far bigger skeletons to hide.

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It suggests to me how gullible the general public is if she becomes some “Saint Of Cheated on Women”.

I am guessing she wants her own clothing line and tv show judging by her attention seeking actions…but you know, the kids are simply scarred for life.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

It suggests to me how gullible the general public is if she becomes some “Saint Of Cheated on Women”.
[/quote]

The general public have been gullible since society began. Gullibility unfortunately seems to be a quality exclusive to the human race.

I agree. A clothing line and or TV show is the next logical step.

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but you know, the kids are simply scarred for life.[/quote]

Yes they are, but appearing on mommy’s tv show with no say in the matter will cure all that: they’ll turn out just like daddy did.

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You guys really underestimate the power of kids to get over shit. Scarred for life? Please…

There are MILLIONS of kids (myself included) who have survived physical, emotional, or sexual abuse that is FAR worse than than watching your parents get divorced - even if it is high profile.

Shit, I watch my mom go through FOUR husbands, each of whom used to beat the living shit out of me and one of them locked me in my room for days at a time…

Her second husband kicked my down the stairs and broke my ribs when I was seven… My mom finally divorced him when he cheated on her with his secretary.

Those kids have it EASY compared to some people who have survived their childhoods and grown up to be normal people. Kids are a lot tougher than you think. Until THIS generation where we think we are doing them a favor by pussifying them…

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
You guys really underestimate the power of kids to get over shit. Scarred for life? Please…[/quote]

I was joking. I am not sure everyone else is.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Those kids have it EASY compared to some people who have survived their childhoods and grown up to be normal people. Kids are a lot tougher than you think. Until THIS generation where we think we are doing them a favor by pussifying them…[/quote]

Quoted for Gospel

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Just a question to you guys who got married…if it ever went south, would your girl be out to destroy you?

If so, it it worth it?[/quote]

As a guy who will be celebrating my 25th Anniversary with my wife (first) this year, I think marriage is worth it. Two great kids and a lot of very cool shared experiences. I don’t think soul mate is right word for our relationship, but we definitely compliment each other. She’s not perfect and neither am I, but I’ve learned the meaning of love.

I’ve never cheated on her. But if I did and she found out it would be an ugly situation and I would expect to lose just about all material gains. That’s just how the “system” is set up. I don’t think she would want to “destroy” me, but it wouldn’t be pretty.

Sometimes I miss being single. Sometimes I’m VERY tempted to stray. I’m sure she feels the same.
We have had some major blow out fights and some incredible make up sessions.

Marriage is a promise and you’ve got to do everything in your power and within reason to keep that promise.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Just a question to you guys who got married…if it ever went south, would your girl be out to destroy you?

If so, it it worth it?[/quote]

After having been married, I would say it depends on who the people involved in the marriage are and the first question you ask yourself isn’t is marriage worth it, but does anyone know the difference between a good marriage and a bad marriage. In a good marriage, you stay because you WANT to be there. In a bad marriage you stay because you HAVE to be there. Two different situations. Truthfully I have yet to see many good marriages stay that way. Mine was good for the first 6 or 7 years and then went downhill fast, after that.

Most people have unreasonable expectations of marriage and different expectations of their partners going in, which is probably the main problem. Another issue is people making compromises for marriages and relationships in general. Compromising for the marriage doesn’t mean compromising YOURSELF, but we are not taught the difference. Of the good marriages I have seen, both partners are allowed to remain true to themselves and the other respects that. If Joe went to the strip club before he got married, why does she expect him to stop? If Mary is bi and gets down with women, too, why would you expect her to stop? If Jane hits the gym 5 days a week, why would her husband expect her to stop?

I didn’t read the article, but I am quite sure Tiger’s wife knew how he got down before they got married and she expected him to stop. Bullshit expectations on both their parts.

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Prof is interesting. I think a face to face conversation would be awesome.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Just a question to you guys who got married…if it ever went south, would your girl be out to destroy you?

If so, it it worth it?[/quote]

After having been married, I would say it depends on who the people involved in the marriage are and the first question you ask yourself isn’t is marriage worth it, but does anyone know the difference between a good marriage and a bad marriage. In a good marriage, you stay because you WANT to be there. In a bad marriage you stay because you HAVE to be there. Two different situations. Truthfully I have yet to see many good marriages stay that way. Mine was good for the first 6 or 7 years and then went downhill fast, after that.

Most people have unreasonable expectations of marriage and different expectations of their partners going in, which is probably the main problem. Another issue is people making compromises for marriages and relationships in general. Compromising for the marriage doesn’t mean compromising YOURSELF, but we are not taught the difference. Of the good marriages I have seen, both partners are allowed to remain true to themselves and the other respects that. If Joe went to the strip club before he got married, why does she expect him to stop? If Mary is bi and gets down with women, too, why would you expect her to stop? If Jane hits the gym 5 days a week, why would her husband expect her to stop?

I didn’t read the article, but I am quite sure Tiger’s wife knew how he got down before they got married and she expected him to stop. Bullshit expectations on both their parts.[/quote]

Good post, Lew.

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[quote]biglifter wrote:

[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:
There is nothing wrong with asking for a prenup. If I ever decided to get married again, I’d want to keep finances separate. Split the mortgage, you pay for your car, I pay for mine, etc. If I want to buy a $300 purse, you won’t care. If you want to spend $100 a month for supplements, I won’t care. I actually worry about how to broach this subject with a man and most people assure me a man won’t have a problem with the concept.

Second point, two attorneys, 35 years old, together 10 years, finally marry. Both have houses, both have cars, both have appreciable income. BOTH wanted a prenup. I don’t understand the line of thinking that if you ask for a prenup it means you don’t “really” love them. Goes back to the antiquated notion that women need a man to provide for them. It’s 2010 people.[/quote]

When attorneys get divorced, do they hire themselves?[/quote]
nah. Atty’s don’t trust or like atty’s either.