[quote]Vegita wrote:
but MOST men know this going in, I did.
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Most either have no clue or severely underestimate the risk…or else Pre-nupts would be a standard part of any marriage process. As it stands, it is still a social faux pas to bring it up at all.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bullshit. Do you know how naive you are trying to make her look?
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Eh - I dunno. Neither one of us knows for sure, but I think a guy with that kind of absence from the home on a regular basis (and certainly his career would help not arouse suspicion since he is a pro golfer and expected to be away for extended periods of time) could easily creep and get away with it.
But obviously I don’t know for sure - maybe she knew all about it, and like many wives of rich & powerful men, accept it as long as it’s “not in their face”. Once the scandal broke, then all bets are off…[/quote]
There you go…now you make more sense. This is Tiger fucking Woods. The man can’t take a shit without it being news at 11 but he got away with screwing a whole cheer-leading squad without his wife even being suspicious??? Yeah, anyone believing that bullshit deserves to be in the dark.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
but MOST men know this going in, I did.
V[/quote]
Most either have no clue or severely underestimate the risk…or else Pre-nupts would be a standard part of any marriage process. As it stands, it is still a social faux pas to bring it up at all.[/quote]
Well we are going to disagree heavily on this one. Most have no clue? How are you determining this? I am determining mine because again I live in a small town, when someone gets screwed in a divorce, everyone knows about it. If someone disregards the risk, then it’s hubris, not ignorance. Plus, to many, the reason to get married is to commit themselves to eachother for life. If you are signing a pre-nup, I say don’t even get married, whats the point. Just date and fuck and if shit goes south, you part ways. The reason pre-nups aren’t standard operating procedure is because it goes against the point of marriage. Also most people don’t have enough assets to protect to go spend extra money on lawyers.
V
[quote]Professor X wrote:
There you go…now you make more sense. This is Tiger fucking Woods. The man can’t take a shit without it being news at 11 but he got away with screwing a whole cheer-leading squad without his wife even being suspicious??? Yeah, anyone believing that bullshit deserves to be in the dark.[/quote]
I can’t deny that he certainly did rack them up. It wasn’t like it was just one chick - he was all over the fuckin’ place. That kid was banging a PLETHORA of ass…lol…
And yes - if you are a single man, with a sizeable bank account, own a home and what-not, then a pre-nup probably is not a bad idea. I’m glad I had about 20 grand in the bank and a new truck when I met my wife and not much more - we bought our home together - because bringing up a pre-nup to the woman you love and want to marry is almost certainly sticky business. Glad I didn’t have to worry about it…lol…
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
but MOST men know this going in, I did.
V[/quote]
Most either have no clue or severely underestimate the risk…or else Pre-nupts would be a standard part of any marriage process. As it stands, it is still a social faux pas to bring it up at all.[/quote]
Well we are going to disagree heavily on this one. Most have no clue? How are you determining this? I am determining mine because again I live in a small town, when someone gets screwed in a divorce, everyone knows about it. If someone disregards the risk, then it’s hubris, not ignorance. Plus, to many, the reason to get married is to commit themselves to eachother for life. If you are signing a pre-nup, I say don’t even get married, whats the point. Just date and fuck and if shit goes south, you part ways. The reason pre-nups aren’t standard operating procedure is because it goes against the point of marriage. Also most people don’t have enough assets to protect to go spend extra money on lawyers.
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You just proved my point. In society today, if a man even mentions a prenupt, he is looked at like he is doing something wrong…THUS WHY SO MANY AVOID IT AND END UP IN TROUBLE.
If people were truly aware of the risk, once again, prenupts would be standard fair and not thought of as something that people do when they shouldn’t get married to start with.
Do you think all of these people getting divorced thought they would be on the day they got married?
If not, then how the fuck do you arrive at the opinion that getting one means you shouldn’t get married?
I thought part of the reason Elin got half a bagillion dollars was to keep her mouth shut. Running out and talking to People is not my idea of staying quiet. Sure, she might not be directly discussing the events, but common sense would tell you that Tiger wanted to hush her up to protect his image.
And I am sorry, but I think she is playing the “poor, poor me” hand pretty heavily. I can verify that as a divorced woman with a child, the entire situation sucks. And yes, Elin had her problems paraded about in front of the world which must have been humiliating. But, if that is what made things so bad for her, why does she continue to put herself in the public eye? If your family is so traumatized by it, stay home and take care of it, don’t continue to parade your problems out there for everyone to see.
And as far as her going back to school so she can councel children of “broken homes”, I call bullshit. If she truly cared about what was best for her own children she would realize that defaming their father publicly is a bad move. There are times I want to rip my ex’s throat out, but I never let my daughter know that; that is just plain irresponsible. You keep the disagreements and fights away from the kids’ ears if you really want to help them to cope.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
There you go…now you make more sense. This is Tiger fucking Woods. The man can’t take a shit without it being news at 11 but he got away with screwing a whole cheer-leading squad without his wife even being suspicious??? Yeah, anyone believing that bullshit deserves to be in the dark.[/quote]
I can’t deny that he certainly did rack them up. It wasn’t like it was just one chick - he was all over the fuckin’ place. That kid was banging a PLETHORA of ass…lol…
And yes - if you are a single man, with a sizeable bank account, own a home and what-not, then a pre-nup probably is not a bad idea. I’m glad I had about 20 grand in the bank and a new truck when I met my wife and not much more - we bought our home together - because bringing up a pre-nup to the woman you love and want to marry is almost certainly sticky business. Glad I didn’t have to worry about it…lol… [/quote]
That’s what I have been saying from the beginning…most of you claiming how great everything is did NOT go into marriage with a ton of assets that could be taken away. Most of the guys I know wouldn’t have a house if their wife didn’t cosign. My house is in my name alone. Why would I ignore how easy it is for someone to take it away?
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
I thought part of the reason Elin got half a bagillion dollars was to keep her mouth shut. Running out and talking to People is not my idea of staying quiet. Sure, she might not be directly discussing the events, but common sense would tell you that Tiger wanted to hush her up to protect his image.
And I am sorry, but I think she is playing the “poor, poor me” hand pretty heavily. I can verify that as a divorced woman with a child, the entire situation sucks. And yes, Elin had her problems paraded about in front of the world which must have been humiliating. But, if that is what made things so bad for her, why does she continue to put herself in the public eye? If your family is so traumatized by it, stay home and take care of it, don’t continue to parade your problems out there for everyone to see.
And as far as her going back to school so she can councel children of “broken homes”, I call bullshit. If she truly cared about what was best for her own children she would realize that defaming their father publicly is a bad move. There are times I want to rip my ex’s throat out, but I never let my daughter know that; that is just plain irresponsible. You keep the disagreements and fights away from the kids’ ears if you really want to help them to cope. [/quote]
Thank you!!!
This what I was getting at from the start.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
My house is in my name alone. Why would I ignore how easy it is for someone to take it away?[/quote]
You definitely shouldn’t. I just don’t envy you THAT conversation when you finally meet “the one” Lol…love to be a fly on the wall for that bro…lol…
For the record, I owned a house before my wife and I even met, but had sold it and banked the cash (and had spent a bunch of it…lol…)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
but MOST men know this going in, I did.
V[/quote]
Most either have no clue or severely underestimate the risk…or else Pre-nupts would be a standard part of any marriage process. As it stands, it is still a social faux pas to bring it up at all.[/quote]
Well we are going to disagree heavily on this one. Most have no clue? How are you determining this? I am determining mine because again I live in a small town, when someone gets screwed in a divorce, everyone knows about it. If someone disregards the risk, then it’s hubris, not ignorance. Plus, to many, the reason to get married is to commit themselves to eachother for life. If you are signing a pre-nup, I say don’t even get married, whats the point. Just date and fuck and if shit goes south, you part ways. The reason pre-nups aren’t standard operating procedure is because it goes against the point of marriage. Also most people don’t have enough assets to protect to go spend extra money on lawyers.
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You just proved my point. In society today, if a man even mentions a prenupt, he is looked at like he is doing something wrong…THUS WHY SO MANY AVOID IT AND END UP IN TROUBLE.
If people were truly aware of the risk, once again, prenupts would be standard fair and not thought of as something that people do when they shouldn’t get married to start with.
Do you think all of these people getting divorced thought they would be on the day they got married?
If not, then how the fuck do you arrive at the opinion that getting one means you shouldn’t get married?[/quote]
I never said a thing about how society views someone. It’s common sense. Don’t get married unless you are willing to die for eachother. If you are willing to die for someone, you aren’t going to cheat on them, you aren’t going to divorce them and take half thier shit. SOOOOO, it has nothing to do with how society views you, I could give a fuck what society thinks of me and my decisions. I wouldn’t do it because it doesn’t make any sense, what is the point of marriage? A Tax break? It’s fun? I don’t get why someone would look someone in the eye and say till death do us part and not mean it. If you don’t intend to live up to the pledge or think the other person won’t then you have NO BUSINESS getting married. If you come with a prenup, then the Till death to us part is either said tounge in cheek, or the prenup is just a means to give some lawyer some extra money you have lying around.
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[quote]Vegita wrote:
I never said a thing about how society views someone. It’s common sense. Don’t get married unless you are willing to die for eachother. If you are willing to die for someone, you aren’t going to cheat on them, you aren’t going to divorce them and take half thier shit. SOOOOO, it has nothing to do with how society views you, I could give a fuck what society thinks of me and my decisions. I wouldn’t do it because it doesn’t make any sense, what is the point of marriage? A Tax break? It’s fun? I don’t get why someone would look someone in the eye and say till death do us part and not mean it. If you don’t intend to live up to the pledge or think the other person won’t then you have NO BUSINESS getting married. If you come with a prenup, then the Till death to us part is either said tounge in cheek, or the prenup is just a means to give some lawyer some extra money you have lying around.
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Did Disney write this response?
People change. Fantasy Island is fun to live on until reality sets in…and since most marriages fail because of financial trouble, I am willing to bet that there are quite a few people out there who thought they were going to live and die together that never in a million years expected everything to go south.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
My house is in my name alone. Why would I ignore how easy it is for someone to take it away?[/quote]
You definitely shouldn’t. I just don’t envy you THAT conversation when you finally meet “the one” Lol…love to be a fly on the wall for that bro…lol…
For the record, I owned a house before my wife and I even met, but had sold it and banked the cash (and had spent a bunch of it…lol…) [/quote]
Right…
X: I love you baby, more than anything in the world.
Her: I love you too Pookie, your my big black teddy bear, you complete me.
X: I would stop a speeding train for you, I would lasso the moon for you, I would give my life for yours.
Her: Me too! Lets get married then pookie, I can’t even imagine being without you.
X: Sure thing dear, just sign this little document which states that anything that is mine currently STAYS mine if we get divorced.
Her: that doesn’t make any sense, you just told me you would give your life for mine yet now you think I’m trying to take you stuff?
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
My house is in my name alone. Why would I ignore how easy it is for someone to take it away?[/quote]
You definitely shouldn’t. I just don’t envy you THAT conversation when you finally meet “the one” Lol…love to be a fly on the wall for that bro…lol…
For the record, I owned a house before my wife and I even met, but had sold it and banked the cash (and had spent a bunch of it…lol…) [/quote]
Right…
X: I love you baby, more than anything in the world.
Her: I love you too Pookie, your my big black teddy bear, you complete me.
X: I would stop a speeding train for you, I would lasso the moon for you, I would give my life for yours.
Her: Me too! Lets get married then pookie, I can’t even imagine being without you.
X: Sure thing dear, just sign this little document which states that anything that is mine currently STAYS mine if we get divorced.
Her: that doesn’t make any sense, you just told me you would give your life for mine yet now you think I’m trying to take you stuff?
V
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My response: Hey, it’s not about what you are trying to do. Space and time are but an illusion…and no man can know the future.
Now sign the paper so we can get back to the Isley Brothers.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Now sign the paper so we can get back to the Isley Brothers.[/quote]
Ok…that really made me laugh…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
I never said a thing about how society views someone. It’s common sense. Don’t get married unless you are willing to die for eachother. If you are willing to die for someone, you aren’t going to cheat on them, you aren’t going to divorce them and take half thier shit. SOOOOO, it has nothing to do with how society views you, I could give a fuck what society thinks of me and my decisions. I wouldn’t do it because it doesn’t make any sense, what is the point of marriage? A Tax break? It’s fun? I don’t get why someone would look someone in the eye and say till death do us part and not mean it. If you don’t intend to live up to the pledge or think the other person won’t then you have NO BUSINESS getting married. If you come with a prenup, then the Till death to us part is either said tounge in cheek, or the prenup is just a means to give some lawyer some extra money you have lying around.
V[/quote]
Did Disney write this response?
People change. Fantasy Island is fun to live on until reality sets in…and since most marriages fail because of financial trouble, I am willing to bet that there are quite a few people out there who thought they were going to live and die together that never in a million years expected everything to go south.[/quote]
Again, certain people shouldn’t get married. Would you disown your family if you or they had financial trouble? Look I know what you are saying, but people are fucking weak. And I’m not saying for instance in AC’s case he was weak, he wasn’t, he was screwed, but I have seen plenty of marriages fail that EASILY could have been saved if people stop being bitter butt hurt assholes and think about the reason they got married in the first place.
Also the law should be changed to reflect a womans place in society that HAS changed form when the origional marriage laws were written, I’m not disagreeing with that. But if you go into something with a document that sets the rules for when it fails, then it’s going to fail, so why do it in the first place. There will be even less reason for people to work things out if they know they can just walk away from eachother. Again, if it’s gonna be like that, then don’t get married.
V
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
My house is in my name alone. Why would I ignore how easy it is for someone to take it away?[/quote]
You definitely shouldn’t. I just don’t envy you THAT conversation when you finally meet “the one” Lol…love to be a fly on the wall for that bro…lol…
For the record, I owned a house before my wife and I even met, but had sold it and banked the cash (and had spent a bunch of it…lol…) [/quote]
Right…
X: I love you baby, more than anything in the world.
Her: I love you too Pookie, your my big black teddy bear, you complete me.
X: I would stop a speeding train for you, I would lasso the moon for you, I would give my life for yours.
Her: Me too! Lets get married then pookie, I can’t even imagine being without you.
X: Sure thing dear, just sign this little document which states that anything that is mine currently STAYS mine if we get divorced.
Her: that doesn’t make any sense, you just told me you would give your life for mine yet now you think I’m trying to take you stuff?
V
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My response: Hey, it’s not about what you are trying to do. Space and time are but an illusion…and no man can know the future.
Now sign the paper so we can get back to the Isley Brothers.[/quote]
LOL yea yea ok. Look like I said, you just shouldn’t get married, other than to save some bucks on taxes, it doesn’t gel with your reality. Right? Too much risk, not enough reward.
V
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Elin Nordegren on Tiger Woods: ‘I’ve been through hell’
[quote]The three key takeaways from Nordegren’s story are:
â?¢ She says she is in no way a violent person, calling any speculation that she swung a golf club at Woods on Thanksgiving night “ridiculous.”
â?¢ She was completely broadsided by the news of Woods’ extramarital affairs, believing that she was the only woman in his life. In short, she was as surprised as most of the rest of the world that the persona Woods put forth â?? dedicated competitor, family man â?? was a carefully constructed sham. “I’m so embarassed that I never suspected [his affairs] â?? not a one,” she said.
â?¢ In line with that, she said she believed fully that her relationship with Woods was a real marriage, not an act orchestrated for cameras and sponsors. “The word betrayal is just not strong enough,” she told People. “I have been through the stages of disbelief and shock to anger and ultimately grief over the loss of the family I so badly wanted for my children.” [/quote]
Has she really been through hell? This woman is now carrying more cash in her wallet than most states in this country yet she’s been through hell?
Are you fucking kidding me?
This right here is why marriage is not worth the effort if you happen to be a celebrity…or hell, even just someone who has something to lose in a divorce. It isn’t that she just speaks out about an affair, but more that she spends so much time dragging Tiger’s name further through the mud (if that’s possible) by acting like his life is all a sham.
Just a question to you guys who got married…if it ever went south, would your girl be out to destroy you?
If so, it it worth it?[/quote]
yes
no, if I had it to do all over, I wouldnt have. At this point, its cheaper to keep her.
There is nothing wrong with asking for a prenup. If I ever decided to get married again, I’d want to keep finances separate. Split the mortgage, you pay for your car, I pay for mine, etc. If I want to buy a $300 purse, you won’t care. If you want to spend $100 a month for supplements, I won’t care. I actually worry about how to broach this subject with a man and most people assure me a man won’t have a problem with the concept.
Second point, two attorneys, 35 years old, together 10 years, finally marry. Both have houses, both have cars, both have appreciable income. BOTH wanted a prenup. I don’t understand the line of thinking that if you ask for a prenup it means you don’t “really” love them. Goes back to the antiquated notion that women need a man to provide for them. It’s 2010 people.
[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:
There is nothing wrong with asking for a prenup. If I ever decided to get married again, I’d want to keep finances separate. Split the mortgage, you pay for your car, I pay for mine, etc. If I want to buy a $300 purse, you won’t care. If you want to spend $100 a month for supplements, I won’t care. I actually worry about how to broach this subject with a man and most people assure me a man won’t have a problem with the concept.
Second point, two attorneys, 35 years old, together 10 years, finally marry. Both have houses, both have cars, both have appreciable income. BOTH wanted a prenup. I don’t understand the line of thinking that if you ask for a prenup it means you don’t “really” love them. Goes back to the antiquated notion that women need a man to provide for them. It’s 2010 people.[/quote]
So then I must ask, why get married? What benefit does one gain other than some tax breaks. Why not just say, I pledge myself to you bla bla bla, and dont go the legal marriage route? What can it add to the relationship that isn’t already there?
V
