Tiger Woods, Anti-Marriage Posterboy

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Since I guess my points are going to be ignored now lol I’ll just go on a sidenote and say to all the people condemning Tiger Woods for what he did:

If you have a penis, shut the hell up.

I must have missed the memo that explained the whole point of being a rich/famous athlete is no longer to get tons of 10/10 pussy.

We’re talking about one of the highest earning professional athletes of all time, famous world-over, relatively physically attractive, with access to resources you and I can only imagine… who undoubtedly had absurd amounts of hot pussy thrown at him on a daily basis regardless of whether or not he asked for it.

When I hear that he had 13 mistresses, my first reaction is… ONLY 13? How many days are there in a year again?

Tiger Woods’ level of fame and fortune is on a different level from any 6 figure working man we may know, and the rules of his life are going to be different all over. Tiger had a professional golf career going and had attained world-wide notoriety by the time he met and married this supermodel, which he then proceeded to reproduce with while banging all of the hot chicks that he clearly had earned.

What kind of twisted world is this where one of our greatest idols can’t bang tons of chicks and also pass on his clearly superior genes? Tiger Woods has only behaved in the way most men would in his situation - and when I say most, I mean the rest of us would have behaved much much worse.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

If you have children you should stay together as long as there is no physical or verbal abuse and do your best to make the relationship as good as possible until the kids are out. In my opinion, cheating alone is not an acceptable reason for divorce if you have children.
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Agree with much of what you wrote, but this makes no sense. From the child’s perspective: are they really better off in an unhappy, but intact, family rather than a split, but perhaps happier one? Is it really better for the kids to see mom and dad arguing every night? Is it really better for them to have to eat dinner in icy silence?

And from the parents standpoint: you’re out of your cotton-pickin mind if you think it’s somehow better to stay with a cheating spouse rather than split. How happy is that family going to be, exactly? What kind of lesson are you teaching the kids? How do you face the other person across the dinner table? Is the faithful spouse supposed to be consigned to an adulthood with no intimacy whatsoever, just for the sake of keeping a family together?

And I don’t understand why verbal abuse is somehow worse than cheating. Cheating is a violent betrayal of nearly everything that marriage stands for. Verbal abuse can be awful in it’s own right, however I’d take being called an asshole of getting cheated on any day of the week. I would also take (and did) getting shit thrown at me over cheating.

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Kids will usually not be aware of the cheating, if they are I’d say that would be grounds.

There doesn’t have to be fighting or icy silence in front of the children. You can fake a harmonious relationship. People do it everyday with bosses or coworkers they don’t like. Eight to ten hours a day for years on end just for the goal of getting a pay check. For the sake of providing a good & loving home for your children you can fake it with your spouse.

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Sorry, if you are an honest person then faking happiness at home ain’t gonna work.
Staying together for the kids is a terrible idea, kids aren’t stupid and they pick up on things pretty fast.

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[quote]dianab wrote:
Sorry, if you are an honest person then faking happiness at home ain’t gonna work.
Staying together for the kids is a terrible idea, kids aren’t stupid and they pick up on things pretty fast.[/quote]

If both parents are honest, then your probably not going to get into a situation where a divorce needs to occur in the first place.

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[quote]dianab wrote:
Sorry, if you are an honest person then faking happiness at home ain’t gonna work.
Staying together for the kids is a terrible idea, kids aren’t stupid and they pick up on things pretty fast.[/quote]

Ok then choose to love. Being in love after the first few years together is as much a conscious choice as it is a matter of the heart. It’s all attitude, for the sake of the children you can choose to love.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
Sorry, if you are an honest person then faking happiness at home ain’t gonna work.
Staying together for the kids is a terrible idea, kids aren’t stupid and they pick up on things pretty fast.[/quote]

Ok then choose to love. Being in love after the first few years together is as much a conscious choice as it is a matter of the heart. It’s all attitude, for the sake of the children you can choose to love.[/quote]

OE, I think certain people are just more materialistic and some are more spiritual. I know worldly posessions are fun and they can keep you occupied if your real bored, but I would literally be just as happy if I lived in a tent, got to bathe once per month and didn’t get to eat high quality food all the time. If I had my wife with me and my friends and family, I could live a fulfilling existance. For others though, maybe they don’t need that to be fulfilled and content with thier existance, maybe they need a huge house, an expensive car, vacations, etc…

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
Sorry, if you are an honest person then faking happiness at home ain’t gonna work.
Staying together for the kids is a terrible idea, kids aren’t stupid and they pick up on things pretty fast.[/quote]

If both parents are honest, then your probably not going to get into a situation where a divorce needs to occur in the first place.

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WTF?

LOL, what fucking world do you all live in? Yes, good marriages exist, but this bullshit where “if you are honest you won’t get a divorce” pops up makes no sense.

People change as they get older. I don’t give a shit if you knew the woman for 10 years, chances are, if you get married under the age of 30, you will likely need to do quite a bit of compromise as you two get older or else one in the couple is denying themselves something…which built up over time is enough for a divorce alone.

Someone posted earlier that they didn’t understand what was meant by a marriage being hard work. If you don’t understand that, then expect a divorce.

I have heard from marriage counselors and many others that the moment you feel “complacent” in a marriage is the single point that it will start to fall apart.

If I know this and I’m not married, what the fuck is wrong with the rest of you?

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
Sorry, if you are an honest person then faking happiness at home ain’t gonna work.
Staying together for the kids is a terrible idea, kids aren’t stupid and they pick up on things pretty fast.[/quote]

Ok then choose to love. Being in love after the first few years together is as much a conscious choice as it is a matter of the heart. It’s all attitude, for the sake of the children you can choose to love.[/quote]

Once again, retarded. If a spouse cheats on another, pretending like everything ok will make things worse. Kids aren’t stupid. This isn’t about “choosing” to love. This is about not dealing with a major issue all in favor of sweeping it under the rug simply because you think the kids are better off with both parents in the house whether they can actually trust each other or not.

Some of the arguments here are simply juvenile.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

X, You should apply the approach you use for bodybuilding to relationships. Specifically the part where you say ‘listen to the guys who are bigger than you’. Listen to people who have successful long term relationships especially ones that thrive even with children. Btw, it’s been mentioned in this thread that marriages take a lot of work. Huh? How hard is it to be generous, courteous, kind and respectful to someone you love? Raising kids, now that’s hard work.

Oh and X, that was mighty pussy of you to take pot shots at people way back from the first page like you thought you could influence the collective memory of the board to forget that you were exposed as being completely insensitive and that material possessions are the priority for you.
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I took pot shots at whom?

Here you are claiming I am materialistic when you don’t know shit about me. I am pretty certain I do more community service, hell, and simply help more lives period, than most of the people typing right now. Protecting shit I worked hard for does not make me “materialistic”. It makes me NOT a dumbass. You are talking to a guy who basically wears tank tops out of work all day and polo shirts at work.

You won’t find one 50 dollar shirt in my closet. You won’t see one shiny watch or gold bracelet. hell, short of my motorcycle and my tv, I don’t even have that much shit. I simply don’t put much stock into THINGS…yet because I don’t want to lose my house simply because some woman I trust turns and stabs me in the back potentially, from that alone you arrive at the conclusion that I am “materialistic”?

How many people’s lives have you saved in your life time?

How many people have you helped TODAY?

I have a list for both. Let’s compare.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
Sorry, if you are an honest person then faking happiness at home ain’t gonna work.
Staying together for the kids is a terrible idea, kids aren’t stupid and they pick up on things pretty fast.[/quote]

If both parents are honest, then your probably not going to get into a situation where a divorce needs to occur in the first place.

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WTF?

LOL, what fucking world do you all live in? Yes, good marriages exist, but this bullshit where “if you are honest you won’t get a divorce” pops up makes no sense.

People change as they get older. I don’t give a shit if you knew the woman for 10 years, chances are, if you get married under the age of 30, you will likely need to do quite a bit of compromise as you two get older or else one in the couple is denying themselves something…which built up over time is enough for a divorce alone.

Someone posted earlier that they didn’t understand what was meant by a marriage being hard work. If you don’t understand that, then expect a divorce.

I have heard from marriage counselors and many others that the moment you feel “complacent” in a marriage is the single point that it will start to fall apart.

If I know this and I’m not married, what the fuck is wrong with the rest of you?[/quote]

I don’t understand what you mean with all this “people change” nonsense. What they start liking Eggplant and they didn’t before, they acquire a taste for scotch when they used to only drink beer. You think people change SO DRASTICALLY that someone you loved so deeply for 10, 15, 20 years suddenly repulses you. You suddenly just want to start causing this person emotional pain and suffering? What fucking world do you live on? People get divorced because they are materialistic and don’t get to really know the person they pledged thier lives to. OR they know the person isn’t thier perfect match but they are 30 and have had shitty boyfriends so they settle for this guy who is OK, but not great. Two people who are deeply in love, who know eachother to the point of finishing sentances, and have been that way for 5-10 years are not going to just wake up one day and dislike eachother.

A man with money and status beds a younger female because of her looks and how she fucks, she is dumb as a box and eventually he is going to want new pussy. This marriage will fail.

Two kids in HS are together for a year, they get pregnant and “try to do the right thing” these people are getting divorced.

A 30 something young woman has played the firld and has not found someone she is deeply compatable with, Yet her Biological clock is ticking so she commits to the first guy she can tolerate and overestimates her ability to be with this person long term, she has kids and THEN they get divorced.

I can go on all day long as to WHY there are so many divorces, there is a right and a wrong way to go about selecting or finding your life partner. And to be honest, if any of you think no one can know someone that deeply, well your wrong, you just can’t, so you think it’s impossible. Just because you can’t do it doesn’t mean other people can’t. It also doesn’t mean you can’t learn how. I’m just sayin.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

I don’t understand what you mean with all this “people change” nonsense.

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then maybe I gave you too much credit.

Tell me, how many people are you still friends with from 15 years ago? I mean, for most of us, we had a clearly separate GROUP of friends in high school than we do right now. The reason for this is often because people simply grow apart. One matures faster or slower than the other. They expand new interests and begin to surround themselves with others of those same interests.

Somehow a marriage does not work the same?

I have some close friends that I have known for nearly two decades now…people I really consider brothers. But along with that, I have had friends who, years back, we both would have claimed we were going to be friends in a retirement home that I don’t even speak to now…and it isn’t because we did each other wrong. We simply grew apart.

But this needs to be explained to you?

Why?

Are you going to insist that I didn’t know them long enough?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

Fucked up quotes.
Try again.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Here you are claiming I am materialistic when you don’t know shit about me. I am pretty certain I do more community service, hell, and simply help more lives period, than most of the people typing right now. Protecting shit I worked hard for does not make me “materialistic”. It makes me NOT a dumbass. You are talking to a guy who basically wears tank tops out of work all day and polo shirts at work.

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You think Elin should be emotionally fine because she’s getting millions. That speak volumes.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tell me, how many people are you still friends with from 15 years ago? I mean, for most of us, we had a clearly separate GROUP of friends in high school than we do right now. The reason for this is often because people simply grow apart. One matures faster or slower than the other. They expand new interests and begin to surround themselves with others of those same interests.

Why?

Are you going to insist that I didn’t know them long enough? [/quote]

Well first off, My HS friends are still my friends and we see eachother weekly. I would say I still regularly see 20 people from highschool who were my friends then and are my friends now. I would say there is another 20-30 who I see occasionally and we are still friends, I have thier number, they have mine. So what is that like 40-50 people?

So even though I didn’t just help your point any, I feel the need to further shoot it down. Only a handful of those friends I would consider to be in best friend category. I know them VERY well. But I still don’t know them as well as I know my wife. And these are guys who I have lived with before, They dated my sister, I dated thiers etc… Bla Bla Bla. Am I advocating Marrying your best buddy from highscholl? No, the point is stupid.

Also knowing someone when you are still growing into an adult is not the same as knowing someone as a mature adult. You have so many hormones running wild until about what 21, so no a lot of those relationships from when you were under 21 may not survive. You don’t live on your own, your still finding out who you are as an individual, before that you were just part of a family unit, mom and dad still had to put food on the table and a roof over your head.

Once you have been on your own for a few years you are going to settle into yourself. At this point, dating other people can be done seriously, and with an eye towards the future. What is so hard to understand. Can people change? Sure, shit happens, I know a guy who was driving and looking down at his cell phone, he hit a kid on a bycycle and killed him. Guy has never been the same since. Things can happen in a persons life, but it happens far less than you are presenting it to be. MORE often than not, marriages end because they were hurried into and the partners did not know the person they were marrying. Not because someone just fucking flaked out after 20 years.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]dianab wrote:
Sorry, if you are an honest person then faking happiness at home ain’t gonna work.
Staying together for the kids is a terrible idea, kids aren’t stupid and they pick up on things pretty fast.[/quote]

If both parents are honest, then your probably not going to get into a situation where a divorce needs to occur in the first place.

V[/quote]

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WTF?

LOL, what fucking world do you all live in? Yes, good marriages exist, but this bullshit where “if you are honest you won’t get a divorce” pops up makes no sense.

People change as they get older. I don’t give a shit if you knew the woman for 10 years, chances are, if you get married under the age of 30, you will likely need to do quite a bit of compromise as you two get older or else one in the couple is denying themselves something…which built up over time is enough for a divorce alone.

Someone posted earlier that they didn’t understand what was meant by a marriage being hard work. If you don’t understand that, then expect a divorce.

I have heard from marriage counselors and many others that the moment you feel “complacent” in a marriage is the single point that it will start to fall apart.

If I know this and I’m not married, what the fuck is wrong with the rest of you?[/quote]

This is the problem with you and relationships I already pointed out. You don’t listen to people who have thriving relationships. You think you know it even though you haven’t lived it. I’ve been with my wife 18 years, have 3 children we work together to raise and we spent an hour this morning engaged in sweet lovin.

You ought to listen to me.

I’ve had an 18 year relationship, a two year relationship and FIVE relationships that lasted at least 6 months. Not one of them had any of the drama I always hear of people talking about and none hate me. I’m friends for life with two of my past girlfriends. I know how to do relationships. You should listen to me just like the skinny bastard should listen to you. HELLO?

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

If you have children you should stay together as long as there is no physical or verbal abuse and do your best to make the relationship as good as possible until the kids are out. In my opinion, cheating alone is not an acceptable reason for divorce if you have children.
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Agree with much of what you wrote, but this makes no sense. From the child’s perspective: are they really better off in an unhappy, but intact, family rather than a split, but perhaps happier one? Is it really better for the kids to see mom and dad arguing every night? Is it really better for them to have to eat dinner in icy silence?

And from the parents standpoint: you’re out of your cotton-pickin mind if you think it’s somehow better to stay with a cheating spouse rather than split. How happy is that family going to be, exactly? What kind of lesson are you teaching the kids? How do you face the other person across the dinner table? Is the faithful spouse supposed to be consigned to an adulthood with no intimacy whatsoever, just for the sake of keeping a family together?

And I don’t understand why verbal abuse is somehow worse than cheating. Cheating is a violent betrayal of nearly everything that marriage stands for. Verbal abuse can be awful in it’s own right, however I’d take being called an asshole of getting cheated on any day of the week. I would also take (and did) getting shit thrown at me over cheating.

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Kids will usually not be aware of the cheating, if they are I’d say that would be grounds.

There doesn’t have to be fighting or icy silence in front of the children. You can fake a harmonious relationship. People do it everyday with bosses or coworkers they don’t like. Eight to ten hours a day for years on end just for the goal of getting a pay check. For the sake of providing a good & loving home for your children you can fake it with your spouse.[/quote]

On Edge, what you wrote is the DUMBEST thing I ever heard. When my wife and I split, my 6 year old son said, “I’m glad you left Daddy. You can be happy, now.” Kids are NOT stupid. They can sense bullshit a mile away and much better than the average adult can. Just because you fake it, doesn’t mean the kids can’t sense something is wrong and to keep them in an emotionally poisonous environment, while using their well-being as the reason for you two staying together is selfish at best and emotionally abusive to them at the worst.

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[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I never got a happy ending after a china town massage…[/quote]

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I was in china town getting a rubdown and the girl gave me a happy ending; is that cheating on my wife? Or does that fall int he realm of “if you pay for it’s not cheating”?[/quote]

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I never cheated on my wife, I just couldn’t do it…I do like going to strip clubs…but I’ve never taken a stripper home.

I’m not saying I couldn’t have done things differently…I work hard, make good money, get off work and play landlord/maintenance person, take the kids to all their sports and didn’t even get dinner in return most of the time.

Besides…even if I was a total douche…I would never deny my kids access to their mother…[/quote]

Again, this goes back to knowing the person you are marrying. Either you screwed up royally somewhere along the line or your ex has issues - issues you should have had SOME inkling about before getting hitched.

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This is total bullshit. There’s no way anyone can “know” the person they are marrying to the degree that they can predict, with 100% accuracy, that their marriage will fail or that their spouse will change. What fantasy world are you living in?
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I was never arguing that one can predict “with 100% accuracy” whether or not their marriage will fail.

It isn’t even really about a couple “changing” in that they develop different goals and perspectives on life.

The point is whether or not you can know someone well enough and develop a strong enough connection with them that, short of completely fucking them over in some capacity, they would be “out to destroy you” (Professor X’s words) when it comes time to divorce. I wouldn’t expect one spouse to turn the other cheek and meekly skulk out of a relationship after being emotionally torn apart in some way… I would just expect that two people who HAVE developed the bond that the people in this thread - you know, the one’s with thriving, successful relationships - claim to have wouldn’t be so malicious when it comes to the well-being of their loved one - like, say, kidnapping the children and falsifying charges of physical abuse for what is, apparently, no real reason whatsoever.

Outside of those worst-case scenarios, I wouldn’t expect a spouse to not be assertive (competitive?) when it comes time to divvy up assets, either. I would just like to think that there WOULD be an element of fairness involved and that one party wouldn’t set out with the aim of “destroying” the other.

The whole “marriage sux because the woman I married - who annoyed the shit out of me by the way - didn’t have the same goals or outlook in life as I do and ended up being a psychotic freakshow” is a ridiculous argument against the institution because it showcases poor judgment when it comes to getting involved in that serious of an arrangement in the first place.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Here you are claiming I am materialistic when you don’t know shit about me. I am pretty certain I do more community service, hell, and simply help more lives period, than most of the people typing right now. Protecting shit I worked hard for does not make me “materialistic”. It makes me NOT a dumbass. You are talking to a guy who basically wears tank tops out of work all day and polo shirts at work.

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You think Elin should be emotionally fine because she’s getting millions. That speak volumes.[/quote]

Bullshit. This right here means YOU have a fucking reading comprehension problem. I wrote that she has not been through HELL. I even used my grandmother’s cancer to make the distinction but you still missed it.

This woman is subjecting her kids to more bullshit through the media but some of you cheer her on for it.

Why? Because she got cheated on? Bullshit. I don’t give a shit about whether she is emotionally fine. I know for a fact that HELL ain’t what she experienced.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

Well first off, My HS friends are still my friends and we see eachother weekly. I would say I still regularly see 20 people from highschool who were my friends then and are my friends now. I would say there is another 20-30 who I see occasionally and we are still friends, I have thier number, they have mine. So what is that like 40-50 people?

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Are you retarded? I was not talking about ACQUAINTANCES. You have 40 or 50 BEST FRIENDS who all know intimate details about your personal life who you could call at 3am needing a tire changed on the side of the road and they would meet you in 15min. You know 40 or 50 people like this? If you needed blood transfused, you know 40 or 50 people who would drop everything and be at the hospital in an hour? If one of those 40 or 50 people died, you would be on the list to take care of their kids?

This debate has gotten dumb and some of you really think you sound smart.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

Well first off, My HS friends are still my friends and we see eachother weekly. I would say I still regularly see 20 people from highschool who were my friends then and are my friends now. I would say there is another 20-30 who I see occasionally and we are still friends, I have thier number, they have mine. So what is that like 40-50 people?

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Are you retarded? I was not talking about ACQUAINTANCES. You have 40 or 50 BEST FRIENDS who all know intimate details about your personal life who you could call at 3am needing a tire changed on the side of the road and they would meet you in 15min. You know 40 or 50 people like this?

This debate has gotten dumb and some of you really think you sound smart.[/quote]

I could call at least 30 people and tell them I have a flat at 3:00 AM or need a ride home from the bar and 30 people would come get me assuming they are not shitty themselves. Why is it dumb, because I didn’t give you the answer you were looking for, because some people have upbringings different than yours and some people transition into different adults than you did? If you want me to make a list for you along with an intimate story that goes along with it I can do that for you.

Also, please tell me you DON’T think you sound smart. Pot meet Kettle.

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