Tiger Woods, Anti-Marriage Posterboy

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
Yah it sucks…I love my kids and they would go everywhere with me, home depot, wherever…I took them to all their softball and soccer practices while her lazy ass sat on the couch watching “i didn’t know I was pregnant” on TV…

This is proof positive of what kind of person I put up with for 12 years…

Yep…she’s a bad person…I think without me trying to talk some sense into her all the time…Her true colors came out like gang busters…She will be judged for this…

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I’m currently going through a divorce, I didn’t cheat and my wife has completely turned on me like we never spent 12 years together raising our children…There is just no respect…

I came home from work to a CLEARED house…She took my two kids and didn’t tell me where they were…I finally tracked them down using county recorder address records of her parents properties. She does not like her parents and had not spoken to them in almost 8 years, so I didn’t know where they lived.

I finally found them and they wouldn’t let me see my kids and ordered me off the property and then proceeded to order me off the property, she got a restraining order against me claiming years of physical abuse, in which there was absolutely none…

So I haven’t seen my kids in 5 weeks and i am currently working through the legal system to get the restraining order lifted and clear my name…

So marriage is not good in my opinion…

:)[/quote]

That’s fucking awful man. Especially taking your kids - how the fuck could anyone do that?

If I found out my wife was fucking a football team behind my back, I still would never use my daughter against her like that - man, no matter what, you are a real piece of shit if you fuck with your kid’s lives like that. [/quote][/quote]

That sucks, but assuming you really DO smell like a rose after considering the actual circumstances surrounding your divorce, this just ties back in to what Vegita wrote about getting to know your partner before marriage.

If we can say Tiger’s wife is at least partially to blame for all those extramarital booty calls that flew over her head, then YOU definitely shoulder more than your share of responsibility for not recognizing the fact that you were getting married to a nutjob… and YES, she IS a nutjob, because, despite what some closet misogynists on this site may think, psychologically healthy people DO NOT clean house, hide their children from their other parent and later fabricate years of abuse when tracked down… for no reason, whatsoever.

In fact, I just browsed your ‘Wife Annoys Me’ thread and still feel you simply made a crappy decision regarding your partner. After browsing your other thread (the one where you consider/‘hypothetically’ justify cheating on your spouse and admit to getting a happy ending after a massage in Chinatown - but that’s not cheating because you paid for it, right?) I feel she made the same poor choice. The thread you made about trolling strip clubs in Mexico was a goddamn hoot, too (“They’re good for marriages because they DETER cheating… I SWEAR!”.

In fact, now that I’m thinking about it, I’m not so sure how much of a nutjob she REALLY is, after all. I DO know you are most likely a jackass and are certainly a shittier husband than you seem willing to admit… but I guess we are just going to have to take your word on it because the only side of the story we are going to hear is yours.

But then, it’s probably easier to blame the whole institution than it is to recognize and admit to your own douchey, irresponsible behavior when it comes respecting your partner and making considered, intelligent choices about serious legal arrangements.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I’m currently going through a divorce, I didn’t cheat and my wife has completely turned on me like we never spent 12 years together raising our children…There is just no respect…

I came home from work to a CLEARED house…She took my two kids and didn’t tell me where they were…I finally tracked them down using county recorder address records of her parents properties. She does not like her parents and had not spoken to them in almost 8 years, so I didn’t know where they lived.

I finally found them and they wouldn’t let me see my kids and ordered me off the property and then proceeded to order me off the property, she got a restraining order against me claiming years of physical abuse, in which there was absolutely none…

So I haven’t seen my kids in 5 weeks and i am currently working through the legal system to get the restraining order lifted and clear my name…

So marriage is not good in my opinion…

:)[/quote]

That’s fucking awful man. Especially taking your kids - how the fuck could anyone do that?

If I found out my wife was fucking a football team behind my back, I still would never use my daughter against her like that - man, no matter what, you are a real piece of shit if you fuck with your kid’s lives like that. [/quote]

Agreed and I did find my X fucking half the navy. While Tiger fucked up, his now X wife is fucking up even more. Hurting Tiger through his kids is not going to make up for the pain she felt by his betrayal. Old saying two wrongs dont make a right, (but 4 rights make a square :))[/quote]

You see…that was the point of the whole thread before the Pre-menstrual Party Poopers crashed the thread.[/quote]

Now X if you started a thread that said the sky is blue, you would have people that are going to argue with YOU. [/quote]

Cause it’s not always blue, wanna argue about it?

V[/quote]

Lol yea the color in my world is actually more of a black, no wait its blue right now, but sometimes it is black. I knew you would take a shot at this V. Thanks made me laugh. [/quote]

Glad I could be of service.

V

[quote]anonym wrote:

In fact, I just browsed your ‘Wife Annoys Me’ thread and still feel you simply made a crappy decision regarding your partner. After browsing your other thread (the one where you consider/‘hypothetically’ justify cheating on your spouse and admit to getting a happy ending after a massage in Chinatown - but that’s not cheating because you paid for it, right?) I feel she made the same poor choice. The thread you made about trolling strip clubs in Mexico was a goddamn hoot, too (“They’re good for marriages because they DETER cheating… I SWEAR!”.

In fact, now that I’m thinking about it, I’m not so sure how much of a nutjob she REALLY is, after all. I DO know you are most likely a jackass and are certainly a shittier husband than you seem willing to admit… but I guess we are just going to have to take your word on it because the only side of the story we are going to hear is yours.

But then, it’s probably easier to blame the whole institution than it is to recognize and admit to your own douchey, irresponsible behavior when it comes respecting your partner and making considered, intelligent choices about serious legal arrangements.[/quote]

Ooooo - didn’t know about any of those threads.

That obviously sheds a different light on the whole matter.

I never got a happy ending after a china town massage…I never cheated on my wife, I just couldn’t do it…I do like going to strip clubs…but I’ve never taken a stripper home.

I’m not saying I couldn’t have done things differently…I work hard, make good money, get off work and play landlord/maintenance person, take the kids to all their sports and didn’t even get dinner in return most of the time.

Besides…even if I was a total douche…I would never deny my kids access to their mother…

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
Yah it sucks…I love my kids and they would go everywhere with me, home depot, wherever…I took them to all their softball and soccer practices while her lazy ass sat on the couch watching “i didn’t know I was pregnant” on TV…

This is proof positive of what kind of person I put up with for 12 years…

Yep…she’s a bad person…I think without me trying to talk some sense into her all the time…Her true colors came out like gang busters…She will be judged for this…

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I’m currently going through a divorce, I didn’t cheat and my wife has completely turned on me like we never spent 12 years together raising our children…There is just no respect…

I came home from work to a CLEARED house…She took my two kids and didn’t tell me where they were…I finally tracked them down using county recorder address records of her parents properties. She does not like her parents and had not spoken to them in almost 8 years, so I didn’t know where they lived.

I finally found them and they wouldn’t let me see my kids and ordered me off the property and then proceeded to order me off the property, she got a restraining order against me claiming years of physical abuse, in which there was absolutely none…

So I haven’t seen my kids in 5 weeks and i am currently working through the legal system to get the restraining order lifted and clear my name…

So marriage is not good in my opinion…

:)[/quote]

That’s fucking awful man. Especially taking your kids - how the fuck could anyone do that?

If I found out my wife was fucking a football team behind my back, I still would never use my daughter against her like that - man, no matter what, you are a real piece of shit if you fuck with your kid’s lives like that. [/quote][/quote]

That sucks, but assuming you really DO smell like a rose after considering the actual circumstances surrounding your divorce, this just ties back in to what Vegita wrote about getting to know your partner before marriage.

If we can say Tiger’s wife is at least partially to blame for all those extramarital booty calls that flew over her head, then YOU definitely shoulder more than your share of responsibility for not recognizing the fact that you were getting married to a nutjob… and YES, she IS a nutjob, because, despite what some closet misogynists on this site may think, psychologically healthy people DO NOT clean house, hide their children from their other parent and later fabricate years of abuse when tracked down… for no reason, whatsoever.

In fact, I just browsed your ‘Wife Annoys Me’ thread and still feel you simply made a crappy decision regarding your partner. After browsing your other thread (the one where you consider/‘hypothetically’ justify cheating on your spouse and admit to getting a happy ending after a massage in Chinatown - but that’s not cheating because you paid for it, right?) I feel she made the same poor choice. The thread you made about trolling strip clubs in Mexico was a goddamn hoot, too (“They’re good for marriages because they DETER cheating… I SWEAR!”.

In fact, now that I’m thinking about it, I’m not so sure how much of a nutjob she REALLY is, after all. I DO know you are most likely a jackass and are certainly a shittier husband than you seem willing to admit… but I guess we are just going to have to take your word on it because the only side of the story we are going to hear is yours.

But then, it’s probably easier to blame the whole institution than it is to recognize and admit to your own douchey, irresponsible behavior when it comes respecting your partner and making considered, intelligent choices about serious legal arrangements.[/quote]

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

In fact, I just browsed your ‘Wife Annoys Me’ thread and still feel you simply made a crappy decision regarding your partner. After browsing your other thread (the one where you consider/‘hypothetically’ justify cheating on your spouse and admit to getting a happy ending after a massage in Chinatown - but that’s not cheating because you paid for it, right?) I feel she made the same poor choice. The thread you made about trolling strip clubs in Mexico was a goddamn hoot, too (“They’re good for marriages because they DETER cheating… I SWEAR!”.

In fact, now that I’m thinking about it, I’m not so sure how much of a nutjob she REALLY is, after all. I DO know you are most likely a jackass and are certainly a shittier husband than you seem willing to admit… but I guess we are just going to have to take your word on it because the only side of the story we are going to hear is yours.

But then, it’s probably easier to blame the whole institution than it is to recognize and admit to your own douchey, irresponsible behavior when it comes respecting your partner and making considered, intelligent choices about serious legal arrangements.[/quote]

Ooooo - didn’t know about any of those threads.

That obviously sheds a different light on the whole matter. [/quote]

Whoa! That certainly does.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Question, is there anyone on the forum (a guy) who makes six figures or more who also makes considerably more than the wife, who got divorced, and did not get raped financially and considers his divorce to have gone smoothly?

I seem to be getting nothing but responses from people who don’t even fit the qualities listed specifically in the first post.
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That would be me. Ex was homemaker and stayed home to take care of kids. Multiple houses, multiple kids, took less than 4 months beginning to end. When we were still together, I bathed the kids and put them to bed every night. On days I have the kids, she lets me come over, read to the kids and put them to bed. I can call her up just about anytime and ask for some one-on-one time with the kids (even if it’s “her” day), and do kids B-days, holiday, etc together. We even took a vaca together (wouldn’t do it again, but whatever…)

I hope my kids see their divorced parents behaving in an appropriate way, and grow up to be happy, healthy adults. Frankly, being uncivil towards my ex would hurt my kids more than it would her.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Frankly, being uncivil towards my ex would hurt my kids more than it would her.
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Your life sounds spectacular…and rare. This quote above is what I was referring to about Tiger’s wife. It isn’t like her continued insults to the man are doing the kids any good at all…but then, she’s been through HELLLLLLLLL…so she can get away with it.

Oh, which houses did she get?

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I never got a happy ending after a china town massage…[/quote]

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I was in china town getting a rubdown and the girl gave me a happy ending; is that cheating on my wife? Or does that fall int he realm of “if you pay for it’s not cheating”?[/quote]

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I never cheated on my wife, I just couldn’t do it…I do like going to strip clubs…but I’ve never taken a stripper home.

I’m not saying I couldn’t have done things differently…I work hard, make good money, get off work and play landlord/maintenance person, take the kids to all their sports and didn’t even get dinner in return most of the time.

Besides…even if I was a total douche…I would never deny my kids access to their mother…[/quote]

Again, this goes back to knowing the person you are marrying. Either you screwed up royally somewhere along the line or your ex has issues - issues you should have had SOME inkling about before getting hitched.

So to say “marriage is not good” is, in my mind, blaming an entire institution for what is, in large part, a byproduct of your own irresponsible behavior. I don’t say that to trivialize what you may be going through; however, it hardly supports the position I think you were trying to defend.

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
Yah it sucks…I love my kids and they would go everywhere with me, home depot, wherever…I took them to all their softball and soccer practices while her lazy ass sat on the couch watching “i didn’t know I was pregnant” on TV…

This is proof positive of what kind of person I put up with for 12 years…

Yep…she’s a bad person…I think without me trying to talk some sense into her all the time…Her true colors came out like gang busters…She will be judged for this…

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I’m currently going through a divorce, I didn’t cheat and my wife has completely turned on me like we never spent 12 years together raising our children…There is just no respect…

I came home from work to a CLEARED house…She took my two kids and didn’t tell me where they were…I finally tracked them down using county recorder address records of her parents properties. She does not like her parents and had not spoken to them in almost 8 years, so I didn’t know where they lived.

I finally found them and they wouldn’t let me see my kids and ordered me off the property and then proceeded to order me off the property, she got a restraining order against me claiming years of physical abuse, in which there was absolutely none…

So I haven’t seen my kids in 5 weeks and i am currently working through the legal system to get the restraining order lifted and clear my name…

So marriage is not good in my opinion…

:)[/quote]

That’s fucking awful man. Especially taking your kids - how the fuck could anyone do that?

If I found out my wife was fucking a football team behind my back, I still would never use my daughter against her like that - man, no matter what, you are a real piece of shit if you fuck with your kid’s lives like that. [/quote][/quote]

That sucks, but assuming you really DO smell like a rose after considering the actual circumstances surrounding your divorce, this just ties back in to what Vegita wrote about getting to know your partner before marriage.

If we can say Tiger’s wife is at least partially to blame for all those extramarital booty calls that flew over her head, then YOU definitely shoulder more than your share of responsibility for not recognizing the fact that you were getting married to a nutjob… and YES, she IS a nutjob, because, despite what some closet misogynists on this site may think, psychologically healthy people DO NOT clean house, hide their children from their other parent and later fabricate years of abuse when tracked down… for no reason, whatsoever.

In fact, I just browsed your ‘Wife Annoys Me’ thread and still feel you simply made a crappy decision regarding your partner. After browsing your other thread (the one where you consider/‘hypothetically’ justify cheating on your spouse and admit to getting a happy ending after a massage in Chinatown - but that’s not cheating because you paid for it, right?) I feel she made the same poor choice. The thread you made about trolling strip clubs in Mexico was a goddamn hoot, too (“They’re good for marriages because they DETER cheating… I SWEAR!”.

In fact, now that I’m thinking about it, I’m not so sure how much of a nutjob she REALLY is, after all. I DO know you are most likely a jackass and are certainly a shittier husband than you seem willing to admit… but I guess we are just going to have to take your word on it because the only side of the story we are going to hear is yours.

But then, it’s probably easier to blame the whole institution than it is to recognize and admit to your own douchey, irresponsible behavior when it comes respecting your partner and making considered, intelligent choices about serious legal arrangements.[/quote]

Yeah, you’re right, that completely and utterly justifies his wife essentially kidnapping his children and claiming physical abuse was rampant during their marriage. I realize that it certainly sheds a slightly different light onto the situation, but the majority of you who posted after this was made clear have no sense regarding a situation like this (If, of course, you’re saying that her actions were justified). To think that you searched for threads and posts he made to simply make no point at all.

[quote]FlameofOsiris wrote:
Yeah, you’re right, that completely and utterly justifies his wife essentially kidnapping his children and claiming physical abuse was rampant during their marriage. I realize that it certainly sheds a slightly different light onto the situation, but the majority of you who posted after this was made clear have no sense regarding a situation like this (If, of course, you’re saying that her actions were justified). To think that you searched for threads and posts he made to simply make no point at all. [/quote]

That wasn’t the point at all, though I need to go to work now so I can’t spell it out for you. So, take some time to think it over (hint: I never wrote that those threads somehow justified her actions) and if you STILL can’t figure out what I was getting at, drop me a line so I can sharpen my point up enough so it can finally drill through that thick, whiny skull of yours.

To think that you wasted what I’m sure you consider to be a clever picture only to be so far off the mark…

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]FlameofOsiris wrote:
Yeah, you’re right, that completely and utterly justifies his wife essentially kidnapping his children and claiming physical abuse was rampant during their marriage. I realize that it certainly sheds a slightly different light onto the situation, but the majority of you who posted after this was made clear have no sense regarding a situation like this (If, of course, you’re saying that her actions were justified). To think that you searched for threads and posts he made to simply make no point at all. [/quote]

That wasn’t the point at all, though I need to go to work now so I can’t spell it out for you. So, take some time to think it over (hint: I never wrote that those threads somehow justified her actions) and if you STILL can’t figure out what I was getting at, drop me a line so I can sharpen my point up enough so it can finally drill through that thick, whiny skull of yours.

To think that you wasted what I’m sure you consider to be a clever picture only to be so far off the mark…[/quote]

Yeah, I get your point. You’re saying that he’s not as perfect as he’s making himself out to be. But unless you think the actions of his that you pointed out somehow exonerate what she did, I don’t really understand why you’re bringing it up. And yeah, I also understand that you think he made a bad choice in a partner, but how can any two people ever really claim to know each other?

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I never got a happy ending after a china town massage…[/quote]

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I was in china town getting a rubdown and the girl gave me a happy ending; is that cheating on my wife? Or does that fall int he realm of “if you pay for it’s not cheating”?[/quote]

[quote]oracleguru wrote:
I never cheated on my wife, I just couldn’t do it…I do like going to strip clubs…but I’ve never taken a stripper home.

I’m not saying I couldn’t have done things differently…I work hard, make good money, get off work and play landlord/maintenance person, take the kids to all their sports and didn’t even get dinner in return most of the time.

Besides…even if I was a total douche…I would never deny my kids access to their mother…[/quote]

Again, this goes back to knowing the person you are marrying. Either you screwed up royally somewhere along the line or your ex has issues - issues you should have had SOME inkling about before getting hitched.

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This is total bullshit. There’s no way anyone can “know” the person they are marrying to the degree that they can predict, with 100% accuracy, that their marriage will fail or that their spouse will change. What fantasy world are you living in?

[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:

This is total bullshit. There’s no way anyone can “know” the person they are marrying to the degree that they can predict, with 100% accuracy, that their marriage will fail or that their spouse will change. What fantasy world are you living in?
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LOL!!!

I’ve been saying that from the beginning!!

Most of these people are delusional if they think they are somehow protected against divorce all because they can’t see themselves getting one right now.

Hell, the only people who should ever get married by some of these standards are people who knew each other from elementary school…after they passed a lie detector test, of course.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Oracle…have you met EmilyQ and her band of “Marriage is the bestest thing on Earth” followers?

According to them, you clearly did something to cause that because they know of way more pleasant loving divorces where the guy wasn’t screwed.[/quote]

Oh, we’ve met! I had this to say to him in his “Wife Annoys Me!” thead:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

One thing to consider is that your marriage has gone far enough off the rails that you may not have much to lose in taking a hard line. Some relationships are not worth keeping as they are and it sounds like yours is one such, oracleguru. That frees you to some extent. Tell her. Tell her you absolutely will not any longer tolerate her slamming your family. Tell her that when you say "that’s enough, " that you mean stop. Pick a time line (6 mos, maybe a year) and tell her that you need significant change or you’ll need to rethink the marriage itself. And then do your part – counseling, better sex, whatever.

Bear in mind that she’s dependent on you. Point that out to her (compassionately). If you leave she’ll have to work. Maybe she’d like to work a pleasant job part time and stay in the marriage rather than work full time once it ends?

I suppose I’m saying, in other words, that it may be time for you to man up. But I’d say the same to a female in your position. (“He doesn’t help with the kids or around the house? Maybe he’d like to be in full charge 50% of the time as a single dad?”) Sometimes it’s helpful to SAY “I’m on my way out, but would rather fix it.”

Good luck.[/quote]

There’s me, mindlessly pursuing my pro-marriage agenda with my usual all-women-are-shining-beacons-of-integrity bias!

Hahaha, SNAP.

[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

Again, this goes back to knowing the person you are marrying. Either you screwed up royally somewhere along the line or your ex has issues - issues you should have had SOME inkling about before getting hitched.

[/quote]

This is total bullshit. There’s no way anyone can “know” the person they are marrying to the degree that they can predict, with 100% accuracy, that their marriage will fail or that their spouse will change. What fantasy world are you living in?
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I disagree, Deb. Most people offer ample insight into their character and priorities, you just have to listen. Very few people are outright sociopaths, willing to say things that are patently untrue. The problem is that people in love/lust/infatuation ignore the information given because they WANT to believe a fantasy.

[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:
You make a good point eeu. Prenup?[/quote]

Are u proposing?[/quote]

:-)[/quote]

It’s the crotch avatar isn’t it? I knew people liked it.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
The problem is that people in love/lust/infatuation ignore the information given because they WANT to believe a fantasy.

[/quote]

Quoted for wisdom.

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:
You make a good point eeu. Prenup?[/quote]

Are u proposing?[/quote]

:-)[/quote]

It’s the crotch avatar isn’t it? I knew people liked it.[/quote]

I think your underwear has gone out of style. :-/

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:
You make a good point eeu. Prenup?[/quote]

Are u proposing?[/quote]

:-)[/quote]

It’s the crotch avatar isn’t it? I knew people liked it.[/quote]

I think your underwear has gone out of style. :-/[/quote]

Boxer briefs are out of style? Hm, go figure. Or am I the only one who can see that I obviously pushed it up so that you could actually see my legs? It wouldn’t make much sense for me to take a leg picture where my legs were covered…

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:
You make a good point eeu. Prenup?[/quote]

Are u proposing?[/quote]

:-)[/quote]

It’s the crotch avatar isn’t it? I knew people liked it.[/quote]

I think your underwear has gone out of style. :-/[/quote]

Boxer briefs are out of style? Hm, go figure. Or am I the only one who can see that I obviously pushed it up so that you could actually see my legs? It wouldn’t make much sense for me to take a leg picture where my legs were covered…[/quote]

Damn. I was hoping they were tighty whities… just for fuck’s sake.

lol