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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
I have a question to everyone who said that there was no leg training in these videos. Do you think that doing lifting for legs is essential for being in great all around shape? Do you think someone that sprinted occasionally, jumped occasionally, and ran at the most 2-300 yards at a time and besides that just walked for legs, but had the ability to haul yourself up over anything and get around anything that got in your way is not complete? We as humans are made to do well without big strong legs, I would argue that upper body muscle mass is much more important in some aspects.[/quote]

I do lifts that involve the legs because A) More muscle mass means more calories burned & B) They’re the heaviest exercises you can do and that means more spillover effect from all the hormones released. Doing legs lets me grow my upper body faster.

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I am going to hit the gym and perform “Yo,this is money Niggas!!” for 3 sets of eight

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Hi Magarhe,

Well, harder in what sense? Do you believe that the ordinary person would more easily be able to figure out free weight exercises, or how to build their physiques utilizing free weights on their own? Honestly, I doubt it.
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Harder in THIS sense: with free weights, you have excellent control of the exact weight you are using and can therefore increase the weight with controlled progression, very easily. If you want to add another kg or so, no problem. If you calculate your 5x max using a formula you can set the weights at that and then do 4 reps, no problem. And so on and so forth.

With bodyweight ONLY exercises, you cannot easily vary the weight used. You cannot setup progressions as easily as you can with free weights. You can use different techniques, different speeds etc… but you do not have the luxury of precise weight variation.

Also it is much harder to do bodyweight only exercises that simulate lifting similar to a clean and jerk, overhead work etc… … handstand pushups don’t cut it.

I am not knocking bodyweight exercises at all. I am not saying you NEED precise weight variation but it sure helps. You can always add weight to bodyweight exercises, it is not as easy to take it away though. All things considered it is a lot more effort to setup the same effects.

I certainly am not saying average joe can work out a great system of free weights without doing some research.

And I realise there is a tonne of crap articles out there all over the place for free weights.

I don’t say they are the be-all end-all but neither is bodyweight only work.

The be-all end-all is progression, variation, stimulation, compensation.

The drawbacks of bodyweight work is the trap some might fall into that goes like this:

chins, can only do one or hang
chins, can do 3-5
chins, can do 10
chins, can do 20
chins can do 30+
stay at that level forever

Most people average people would get great results with bodyweight work as it brings them up to speed. But after reaching a certain point where the bodyweight isn’t enough, no further progress is made.

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Hi guys,

I saw all the vids on youtube and think that they really rock.
Some chinup variations were bizarre and I really want to check them out next time I’m doing cardio in the park.

Personally, I really dig BWE.
I’ve done a lot more pushup sets in my life than bench sets. Same goes for Squats, Shoulder workouts etc.

That’s not because I feel these are superior to weight exercises, but because of other reasons.
Suffice to say, both have their place and cannot be directly compared (Like in: Pushup is like benching with less weight)


However, he who thinks that the guys build these kinds of physiques with BWE only is gravely mistaken.

I don’t know anybody who had similar results using exclusively BWE, be it from countless martial arts classes, school, military, gym, sport, whatever.

It is extremely difficult to bulk while using only your bodyweight.
That’s why the most impressive gains through BWroutines are usually found in big guys who even carry a little fat around cause you really see them carving out their body over time and their weight loss makes you think they kinda bulked. (It’s the well known phenomenon of looking more massive through cutting)

Of all known coaches who strongly advocate BWexercises and look decent, the only one I can think of who actually used little or no weights is Mr. John E Peterson (I’m not even sure on this one).

The other ones have all used weights. This goes especially for Matt Furey and the “great Gama”.

Living in the 21 Century, I refuse to let go of the obvious advantages progressive weight training has to offer.
Once again, BWE rock ass!
But so do weights…

-Schwarzfahrer

P.S. I recall Mr. Pushup advocating some special form of bodyweight exercise being the ultimate chest mass builder. I wonder what happened to him? Does anybody know?

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Holy smoke, good stuff guys.Bodyweight workouts are good. show more like this especially legs.

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[quote]blue9steel wrote:

Doing legs lets me grow my upper body faster.
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incorrect.

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lol i dont get it…are these people actually from the Ruff Ryders?

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Hi Magarhe,

Yes, I agree that utilizing free weights allows for a more systematic and controlled progression than do most bodyweight exercises. However, I don’t necessarily think that this is an advantage (except perhaps if the trainee requires constant re-enforcement that they are progressing).

I am also not saying that I believe that bodyweight exercises are the end-all be-all either. Both free weight exercises and bodyweight exercises are effective, and both may be more appropriate depending on the goals.

I don’t agree with your suggestion that bodyweight exercises will only take you so far however. While this may be ultimately true, the same could be said for free weight exercises. In other words, what will ultimately limit your progress isn’t whether you use bodyweight exercises or free weight exercises, but your genetics, time, and determination.

Didn’t you read my previous post concerning how to make bodyweight exercises more difficult? Sure, if you only stuck to the same exercise, then once you reached a certain level the exercises would no longer provide any significant increases in strength. That is why you must progress to harder and harder exercises.

For a pull up, once you reached the 30+ level you could switch to one arms, monkey jumps, butterfly pull ups, etc…

Keep in mind that there are bodyweight exercises out there that are so challenging that perhaps one or two people on the planet can perform them, such as a Victorian on the still rings. So, to suggest that bodyweight exercises have their limits as far as strength building is true, but that how close that limit is to human potential is the question we should be asking ourselves.

Good training,

Sentoguy

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rofl watch “the military” part, he starts shouting kiss and then he cant get himself up ahahaha, 3 seconds later:
All back no chest, all arms no abs, all talk no knuckles…what about legs? good laugh cheeres

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Those dudes are badass mofos all the way. I like that pull up to a dip. In all my years, I can’t recall ever seeing that! It looks easy, but it would prob kick my ass! LOL.

And their quads I’m sure are great, just like their upper bodies. You just can’t see em’ with long shorts on.

Great post, tks!