[quote]Mattthepug wrote:
I think you have a definitional problem, the exercises stop being body weight when you add 100 pounds of weight.
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Unless you just get really fat.
[quote]Ryu13 wrote:
Dirty Tiger wrote:
I liked the first dude…but I call B.S.
I am almost positive he built that mass with freeweights.
I am very impressed by his bodyweight exercises, but I don’t think they are 100% responsible for his physique.
Who cares? Quit whining like all the other bitches in here. So many fucking rats who can’t stand it when people surpass them… makes me sick.[/quote]
I’m not whining, I just don’t believe everything I see on the internet.
Grow some hair on your balls and then come back and call me a bitch.
I have to agree on both sides of the argument - 1) the feats of strength and agility on display are real, and impressive, and were earned through hard work “on the bars”, 2) the physiques were also impressive, but no way built using only “the bars” and bodyweight. No way you build arms , chest, and shoulders like that with dip, pullup and pushup variants exclusively.
I’d be happy with half the functional strength these guys have, and half the muscle size and definition.
[quote]squeezer wrote:
I’d be happy with half the functional strength these guys have, and half the muscle size and definition.[/quote]
You don’t have very high standards then.
[quote]Massif wrote:
squeezer wrote:
I’d be happy with half the functional strength these guys have, and half the muscle size and definition.
You don’t have very high standards then.[/quote]
No kidding. When I wrote they were probably bigger than most on this site, it wasn’t because they were all so HUGE and GIGANTIC.
[quote]squeezer wrote:
2) the physiques were also impressive, but no way built using only “the bars” and bodyweight. No way you build arms , chest, and shoulders like that with dip, pullup and pushup variants exclusively.
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I believe you can - they say they are doing workouts that are very similar to a gymnast’s, and I think they have similar physiques. I just think it takes a few years of everyday workouts to get to that level, which you don’t need to do with weights. Check out the Waterbury Perfect 10 stuff.
[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
squeezer wrote:
2) the physiques were also impressive, but no way built using only “the bars” and bodyweight. No way you build arms , chest, and shoulders like that with dip, pullup and pushup variants exclusively.
I believe you can - they say they are doing workouts that are very similar to a gymnast’s, and I think they have similar physiques. I just think it takes a few years of everyday workouts to get to that level, which you don’t need to do with weights. Check out the Waterbury Perfect 10 stuff.[/quote]
I seriously doubt those guys avoided weight training. To assume something like that is to assume the guy on the Soloflex commercial ONLY uses a Soloflex machine. I didn’t live too far from the projects growing up and even some of them had weight benches out back.
Lat pulldowns? Single-arm lat pulldowns with twist?
[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
squeezer wrote:
2) the physiques were also impressive, but no way built using only “the bars” and bodyweight. No way you build arms , chest, and shoulders like that with dip, pullup and pushup variants exclusively.
I believe you can - they say they are doing workouts that are very similar to a gymnast’s, and I think they have similar physiques. I just think it takes a few years of everyday workouts to get to that level, which you don’t need to do with weights. Check out the Waterbury Perfect 10 stuff.[/quote]
I did gymnastics for 3 years. That was between ages of 9 - 12. By 12 we would hit the gym once a week at least.
“A lot of LITTLE dudes be doin the “bahs” …buck 60, buck 70, buck 80…”
…Im sure that line made Prof X smile like a giddy school girl hearin that. Yes folks, You are little if you weigh 180lbs…and Yes I admit…I’m still “little”…lol
And I agree with the guy above saying that the 1st host guy seems to be playin the thug act but you gotta do what you gotta do to make them dollars.
See what happens when you take the weights out of prision.
Its hard to say, I have seen several people with spectacular upper body development based just on pushup and pullup variations, or so they say, That is one thing I have always wondered about…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
HoratioSandoval wrote:
squeezer wrote:
2) the physiques were also impressive, but no way built using only “the bars” and bodyweight. No way you build arms , chest, and shoulders like that with dip, pullup and pushup variants exclusively.
I believe you can - they say they are doing workouts that are very similar to a gymnast’s, and I think they have similar physiques. I just think it
takes a few years of everyday workouts to get to that level, which you don’t need to do with weights. Check out the Waterbury Perfect 10 stuff.
I seriously doubt those guys avoided weight training. To assume something like that is to assume the guy on the Soloflex commercial ONLY uses a Soloflex machine. I didn’t live too far from the projects growing up and even some of them had weight benches out back. [/quote]
Exactly!
I’m suprised no one has thrown one special name out to all the “haters” who don’t think body weight could do all that for a body…Herchel Walker. His bodyweight only routines have been widely publicized. When he showed up to play at Georgia he had a “showdown” with his strength coach, and was excused from weight training the rest of his career.
Again, genetics and diet help…plus he literally did thousands of reps each day.
[quote]Dr. Awesome wrote:
HOV wrote:
I did bodyweight exercises solely for several periods of a few years. I had all the motivation and intensity I could muster. At times I’d do 500 push-ups and then go swim breast stroke for a 1/2 mile.
But I never had the size or strength I later developed as a result of lifting weights. I had a real hard time putting on mass with just bodyweight exercises. A few years and 40 pounds of LBM later, I feel much stronger with my weight workouts. And I can still do pushups, pullups, dips, etc. quite easily. But I definitely couldn’t lift big when I was doing bodyweight stuff.
You can twirl yourself around however you wish, but it still ends up being your bodyweight or less.
I have a feeling that genetics plays a big role with these guys. Get some chinese guys doing that stuff (or 1/2 chinese like me) and you’ll have a bunch of bruce lee-looking mofos running around.
There are plenty of way to make bodyweight exerciese extremely difficult.
straddle planche
front lever
one arm delcine push ups
one arm pull ups
freestanding hand stand push ups on parallel bars
etc…
just change the leverage…
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I’m not doubting you, as I have a friend who is pretty ripped from doing years of BW exercises.
But how the heck am I going to create similar effects as deadlifts with BW? Squats?
Isometrics is the only thing I can think of.
[quote]squeezer wrote:
I have to agree on both sides of the argument - 1) the feats of strength and agility on display are real, and impressive, and were earned through hard work “on the bars”, 2) the physiques were also impressive, but no way built using only “the bars” and bodyweight. No way you build arms , chest, and shoulders like that with dip, pullup and pushup variants exclusively.
I’d be happy with half the functional strength these guys have, and half the muscle size and definition.[/quote]
Yeah you’re righ, that’s why all those gymanast have those skinny arms.
Do 3 muscle ups then weigh in. And yes I have, at 190 and 45 years old.
those thugs fucking rock. i love seeing dudes get bigger, stronger, more cut, and more able than all those fools in the gym and online who obsess over cable concentration curls and tricep kickbacks.
awesome videos. no offense to this website, but i think it often overanalyzes things that really aren’t so complicated: how to get big and strong and cut.
no need for paralysis by analysis. just simple, effective, heavy compound movements with isolation where necessary. and the obvious progression over time.
also, i guarantee you all those dudes spend time in the gym with free weights. don’t be fooled by the whole ‘this is thug life and how we train everyday’ bullshit. they’re ust selling their image.
but ya, awesome videos. how do you save those videos, btw?
also, they didn’t show any lower body training. :-\
I have a question to everyone who said that there was no leg training in these videos. Do you think that doing lifting for legs is essential for being in great all around shape? Do you think someone that sprinted occasionally, jumped occasionally, and ran at the most 2-300 yards at a time and besides that just walked for legs, but had the ability to haul yourself up over anything and get around anything that got in your way is not complete? We as humans are made to do well without big strong legs, I would argue that upper body muscle mass is much more important in some aspects.
[quote]hueyOT wrote:
those thugs fucking rock. i love seeing dudes get bigger, stronger, more cut, and more able than all those fools in the gym and online who obsess over cable concentration curls and tricep kickbacks.
awesome videos. no offense to this website, but i think it often overanalyzes things that really aren’t so complicated: how to get big and strong and cut.
no need for paralysis by analysis. just simple, effective, compound movements.
also, i guarantee you all those dudes spend time in the gym with free weights. don’t be fooled by the whole ‘this is thug life and how we train everyday’ bullshit. they’re ust selling their image.
but ya, awesome videos. how do you save those videos, btw?
also, they didn’t show any lower body training. :-[/quote]
Thugs usually don’t train legs. They don’t want them too bulky. They need to be ready for a quick escape after taking a womans purse on a dark rainy night.
[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
I have a question to everyone who said that there was no leg training in these videos. Do you think that doing lifting for legs is essential for being in great all around shape? Do you think someone that sprinted occasionally, jumped occasionally, and ran at the most 2-300 yards at a time and besides that just walked for legs, but had the ability to haul yourself up over anything and get around anything that got in your way is not complete? We as humans are made to do well without big strong legs, I would argue that upper body muscle mass is much more important in some aspects.[/quote]
When I was hauling a couple of bundles of shingles up a ladder, I was thankful for the squats. I hope when a fireman carries his first victim out of a house, it’s not the first time he has had 200 lbs. on his back. Adrenaline only goes so far.
I do see uses for having stronger legs than just running and jumping.IMHO