This Workout vs Superhero?

Found this workout on the site,a fullbody routine 5 days a weeks with many of Waterbury concepts vs CT Superhero?

This fullbody has a upper(shoulder emphasis);
this workout was posted by maverick_ace…

Goal is stenght and mass in upper and i also enjoyed doing dead,bench on 3x rep!!

thanks for your input!

Monday:
Deadlift 10 x 3
Chin up 4 x 6
front squat 4 x 6
incline bench 4 x 6
barbell shrug 4 x 6

Tuesday:
bench press 10 x 3
bent over bb row 4 x 6
dumbell lunges 4 x 6
reverse hyper (with dbs in hands) 4 x 6
lateral raises 4 x 6

thursday:
DB bench press 2 x 18
Seated cable row 2 x 18
leg extension 2 x 18
leg curl 2 x 18
DB military press 2 x 18

Friday:
BB back squat 10 x 3
wide grip bench press to neck 4 x 6
lat pulldown 4 x 6
good morning 4 x 6
DB shrugs 4 x 6

Saturday:
Hang clean 10 x 3
decline bench press 4 x 6
leg press 4 x 6
leg curl 4 x 6
DB military press 4 x 6

Off wenesnday and sunday

There is no justification for that level of weekly volume. If you are lifting any significant amount of weight, (and probably even if you aren’t), you will quickly dig inroads into your recovery ability that you can’t climb out of without a few weeks of rest. So this plan is not good.

Pick something SIMPLE that someone else has put together. You should be able to justify every training decision that you make.

A few observations:

-I don’t think you need as much exercise variety per movement pattern as you are planning to use.

-Your plan would be more reasonable if it was spaced out over two weeks instead of crammed into one.

-Focus on making strength gains over time. If you do, mass will follow. You do not need this level of frequency or absurdly high weekly volume to do it.

-If you are a genetic wonder and can tolerate this schedule for more than a few weeks, you still have to ask yourself ‘why?’ Is this workload stimulating optimal progress?

-I don’t think you should be doing the ‘Superhero’ routine either, to be honest. Build a base. That’s just my opinion and if your ultimate goals for size and strength are modest then go ahead and do it.

Good luck

so would you recommend more a workout like quattro dynamo,art of Waterbury…something similar??? i like to change about every 4 weeks!!

thanks

How big are you? (Height, weight)

How much do you lift? (Squat, Bench, Deadlift, Press, etc.)

6f,192,14%bf

1 rep max
squat 245
bench 230
deads 225…

i like to train 4 times a week,also play hockey once or twice a week,that why i dont do cardio at the gym…

thinking also about Poliquin agvt or Thibs ovt!

thanks

You’re looking for complex training solutions to a simple program: you’re not going to look big and strong until you can move some weight. There’s no shortcut.

You need to bring up those lifts A LOT, but especially the squat and deadlift. We’re talking about taking the next 1-2 years to double your squat and deadlift weight (full olympic squats, where your ass rests on your calves at the bottom.)

You can do this w/ a simple plan. It’s not advisable to add complexity to your training until you need it to progress.

And you’re considering using a program called ‘Advanced GVT’? Probably want to hold off on that until you are advanced.

So I think a lot of problems with your thinking right now…your focus for the next few years should be to become as strong as possible on a few basic lifts. No need for a ‘brand name’ program. If you need to follow a program with an abbreviation, I’d go with ‘ABBH’ by Waterbury. I like that template…but stay with the template for longer than he advises. When your gains slow, back cycle…make slight exercise changes once in awhile. But stay with the template and hammer it for a long time.

Just an opinion…

[quote]Ramo wrote:
You’re looking for complex training solutions to a simple program: you’re not going to look big and strong until you can move some weight. There’s no shortcut.

You need to bring up those lifts A LOT, but especially the squat and deadlift. We’re talking about taking the next 1-2 years to double your squat and deadlift weight (full olympic squats, where your ass rests on your calves at the bottom.)

You can do this w/ a simple plan. It’s not advisable to add complexity to your training until you need it to progress.

And you’re considering using a program called ‘Advanced GVT’? Probably want to hold off on that until you are advanced.

So I think a lot of problems with your thinking right now…your focus for the next few years should be to become as strong as possible on a few basic lifts. No need for a ‘brand name’ program. If you need to follow a program with an abbreviation, I’d go with ‘ABBH’ by Waterbury. I like that template…but stay with the template for longer than he advises. When your gains slow, back cycle…make slight exercise changes once in awhile. But stay with the template and hammer it for a long time.

Just an opinion…[/quote]

And one that I would second.

crankMAN, all you really need to focus on at this point, as Ramo suggested above, are the basics. Work on adding substantial weight to the bar in a few foundational lifts, get your diet in order, and make sure you are getting enough rest that you are able to progress every single time you do the same exercise.

Do not do specialization programs, or even programs with “emphasis” on specific muscle groups until you have gained a significant amount of muscle mass all over your body.

I’d also suggest as Ramo did, NOT changing programs every 4 weeks. I’m sorry but that’s just not enough time to allow your body to get enough out of the program. Instead, do not change programs until the program stops producing results (which honestly in many cases may be as long as a couple years, if not even longer, if it’s a solid program).

If you plateau on an exercise, change it out for a variation of the same exercise (for example flat BB for incline BB). If you start to feel run down, then take a back off week to two weeks.

As far as the actual program, honestly it doesn’t matter all that much. Sure, some programs are more optimal for some goals. But, as long as it’s a balanced, well designed program that uses good muscle building exercises, then it should produce results if you apply yourself to it.

OP, does it make sense that you can bench more than you deadlift? Have you ever trained your legs before?

Go to the beginner’s thread, and read the stickies at the top. Pick a workout from there and work on your lifts. Beginning goals, maybe something like Bench = BW, Squat = BWx1.25, Deadlift = BWx1.5. When you get those, then go to BWx1.25/1.5/2, etc.

You need a beginner’s workout, not one of the ones you mentioned.

maybe i should have told you …that those are my actual lifts…every lift was about 20lbs heavier before…about a year and half that my training sucks…lack of motivation etc…why ? maybe after 10 years i need something new…as for deads…no never really did many…but my form is really good!! when you play hockey twice a week its hard to push your legs at max all the time unless your on roids!!especially at 32!!
so thanks but not beginner stuff please!!

These people aren’t trying to insult you, they are recommending beginner programs because that’s what you are still. After 10 years of trianing if you haven’t pulled and squatted 405+ for reps then something went wrong. Be humble and take a simple template and get as strong as possible with enough food to grow and support the strength gains, KISS should be your motto.

[quote]Scott M wrote:
These people aren’t trying to insult you, they are recommending beginner programs because that’s what you are still. After 10 years of trianing if you haven’t pulled and squatted 405+ for reps then something went wrong. Be humble and take a simple template and get as strong as possible with enough food to grow and support the strength gains, KISS should be your motto. [/quote]

Maybe, i was 205 before,…deads were never a big part of my training…trained mostly on split training like chest-bis,dos-tris,shoulders-legs…always doing 8 to 12 reps…

after almost a year off of course i lost some strenght…just did a 5x5(billstars) to gain some strenght that i lost…

so when someone refered me to abbh…im not gonna tell you what i think…at my best i was doing 10reps(bech) with 225…now i rushing to do 2 or 3 reps…

anyway please stop this thread…think im going westside no matter what!!!

Westside is perfectly fine. Stick with it.