[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
And he is alright with actively Gay Priests.[/quote]
As have been all Popes that I’m aware of. [/quote]
What?!? And you are ok with that?[/quote]
I don’t think BC keyed on the “actively.” As in acting on. Or, at least, promoting.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
And he is alright with actively Gay Priests.[/quote]
As have been all Popes that I’m aware of. [/quote]
What?!? And you are ok with that?[/quote]
I don’t think BC keyed on the “actively.” As in acting on. Or, at least, promoting.
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I hope so.
It must be the extreme skeptic of anything religious in me that instantly thought, “This Pope must be gay.” When he proclaimed no judgment on gays.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
And he is alright with actively Gay Priests.[/quote]
As have been all Popes that I’m aware of. [/quote]
What?!? And you are ok with that?[/quote]
Oh, I see what you were getting at. I thought you meant priests that are gay (as in they have that inclination) that are active in ministerial duties (such as celebrating Mass, hearing confessions, &c.).
No, I don’t believe that the Pope is okay with Priests that are actively living a “gay-lifestyle.”
[quote]Bauber wrote:
It must be the extreme skeptic of anything religious in me that instantly thought, “This Pope must be gay.” When he proclaimed no judgment on gays.
And to which I don’t care btw. People’s sexual preference is of no concern to me.[/quote]
Except he had pretty serious girlfriend for a long time before becoming a seminarian.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
And he is alright with actively Gay Priests.[/quote]
As have been all Popes that I’m aware of. [/quote]
What?!? And you are ok with that?[/quote]
Oh, I see what you were getting at. I thought you meant priests that are gay (as in they have that inclination) that are active in ministerial duties (such as celebrating Mass, hearing confessions, &c.).
No, I don’t believe that the Pope is okay with Priests that are actively living a “gay-lifestyle.”[/quote]
I was getting scared their for a moment. We are all on the same page.
Personally if you are “gay” but striving to stay away from that sin then I am alright with you being in a leadership position, but if you are actively living in sin, no way. This applies to all people in a leadership position. If a Pastor of a church has an affair on his wife then no more Sunday Sermons for you. Time to step down, repent, and give it some time then yes you can move forward. We are all sinners and fall short of the Glory of God. Just need to repent, and get right with God.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
It must be the extreme skeptic of anything religious in me that instantly thought, “This Pope must be gay.” When he proclaimed no judgment on gays.
And to which I don’t care btw. People’s sexual preference is of no concern to me.[/quote]
Except he had pretty serious girlfriend for a long time before becoming a seminarian.[/quote]
Hugh Hefner almost took that rout.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
It must be the extreme skeptic of anything religious in me that instantly thought, “This Pope must be gay.” When he proclaimed no judgment on gays.
And to which I don’t care btw. People’s sexual preference is of no concern to me.[/quote]
Neither is it to the Pope, as he said he cares about if they have accepted the Lord and if they have goodwill. Which would mean they don’t act on their sexual preference whether it be heterosexual or homosexual.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
It must be the extreme skeptic of anything religious in me that instantly thought, “This Pope must be gay.” When he proclaimed no judgment on gays.
And to which I don’t care btw. People’s sexual preference is of no concern to me.[/quote]
Neither is it to the Pope, as he said he cares about if they have accepted the Lord and if they have goodwill. Which would mean they don’t act on their sexual preference whether it be heterosexual or homosexual.[/quote]
I never said it was. And having a girlfriend does not directly correlate to not being homosexual. But I am sorry the Catholic church is one of the most corrupt institutions ever to exist. And still is.
This Pope seems like a pretty good egg though.
Your point was to show he just gives a handshake like a normal dude? Nice 
I have to agree with Bill Maher, this dude is secretly an atheist lol…
[quote]VATICAN CITY?Following Pope Francis tolerant remarks Sunday about homosexuals and the Catholic Church, Vatican officials reportedly went into crisis mode, announcing that the Pope’s thoughtful message of understanding was clearly taken out of context. It is not the official stance of the Pope or the Catholic Church that all people of good will who seek the Lord, especially gay people, should be accepted by Christ, a visibly nervous Vatican spokesman told reporters, adding that the Holy Father was clearly tired after his long trip to Brazil and never meant for his comments to sound caring or realistic.
Homosexuality is a disorder. And this in no way means that, going forward, the Catholic Church will be an open-minded, more sensible organization. I assure you we are just as prejudiced and backward today as we were yesterday. Thank you. According to an anonymous source close to the Vatican, the Pope is currently being yelled at by Church officials, who are telling him, You don’t just go off script like that. Who the fuck do you think you are??[/quote]
I knew when I heard the Pope didn’t say something inflammatory toward gays people would be pissed. Luckily some of the lunatics on this forum are delivering. Hate on dmaddox.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
If by active you mean celibate, understands that homosex is sinful, has repented…yeah.[/quote]
They might have taken a vow of celibacy, but do you honestly believe 100% are? [/quote]
If they cannot hold to it, then they shouldn’t take the vow. No, they cannot be active. And no he does not support gay priests who are sexually active. So yes, barring a small minority of gay priests, I am sure most of them are not active. The office of the Holy Orders supersedes everything in the eye’s of the priest. Most of them hold it in very high regard over their own desires.
I have had priests whom I suspected are homosexual in their sexual nature, but nothing about them sent up any suspicions that they are sexualy active. You never know of course, but I doubt it. Contrary to popular belief you can control your sexuallity. I don’t think people go in to the priesthood with their eyes closed. The seminaries do their level best to weed the people who cannot hack it, out.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
If by active you mean celibate, understands that homosex is sinful, has repented…yeah.[/quote]
They might have taken a vow of celibacy, but do you honestly believe 100% are? [/quote]
No, but the Pope said that if they accept the Lord, and have goodwill, who am I to judge them?
That means they are celibate (obviously people fall and that’s why we forgive), know that homosex is sinful, and have repented of past sins (aren’t living in open immorality).
He also condemned priests that would be part of the “gay lobby” who would be living in open morality and be advocating people accept their sin.
So, basically what every person that has occupied St. Peter’s office has said…distinguish the person from the inclination and the inclination from the action. Don’t judge the person, condemn the action. Nothing new.[/quote]
That is specified with very deliberate wording in the Catechism. It says that in general homosexuals are not to be judged, mistreated, or maligned in any way. They are to be treated with the love and kindness that any person deserves.
It specifically condemns the act and not the people for having the desire. It is actually nothing new. It’s just most people make assumptions about Catholicism, but don’t really, actually knows what it teaches.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
He certainly doesn’t mean mean Pope Francis is ok with actively Gay priests.[/quote]
The statement that come out yesterday from the Pope about homosexuals was a bit concerting. The first part of the statement was ok, but when he translated it to homosexual Priests I cringed. If a Priest is actively homosexual then the church should do something about it. The Episcopalians did this with allowing Actively Gay Priests and Bishops. There was a Bishop that had his gay lover sleeping in his bed every night. Anyone in active sin should not be in any leadership role in the church.[/quote]
Agreed, and it is not allowed. Either way the vow of celibacy is binding.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
It must be the extreme skeptic of anything religious in me that instantly thought, “This Pope must be gay.” When he proclaimed no judgment on gays.
And to which I don’t care btw. People’s sexual preference is of no concern to me.[/quote]
Neither is it to the Pope, as he said he cares about if they have accepted the Lord and if they have goodwill. Which would mean they don’t act on their sexual preference whether it be heterosexual or homosexual.[/quote]
I never said it was. And having a girlfriend does not directly correlate to not being homosexual. But I am sorry the Catholic church is one of the most corrupt institutions ever to exist. And still is.
This Pope seems like a pretty good egg though. [/quote]
Says people who don’t really know much about the church.
About time their isn’t a pope with his head in his arse or half way in a coffin. Forgive me lord for I have sinned. Do they still sell indulgences? Catholicism is the worst way to worship, I know this because I was brainwashed by their train of thought until I was around 7 years old. Glad it’s done with.
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
About time their isn’t a pope with his head in his arse or half way in a coffin. Forgive me lord for I have sinned. Do they still sell indulgences? Catholicism is the worst way to worship, I know this because I was brainwashed by their train of thought until I was around 7 years old. Glad it’s done with.[/quote]
Friend of mine had to rush a priest to a hospital because they thought their newborn was going to die without being baptized.
It’s hard to rank the lunacy of believers in the flying spaghetti monsters, but Catholicism is one of the reigning champs of idiocy. I guess the good thing if someone is Catholic is they aren’t alone.
[quote]H factor wrote:
It’s hard to rank the lunacy of believers in the flying spaghetti monsters, but [ … ] is one of the reigning champs of idiocy. I guess the good thing if someone is [ … ] is they aren’t alone. [/quote]
Now replace the blanks with the name of any other major religion or political philosophy, and the statement makes just as much sense. “No one of us is as stupid as all of us.”
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
It’s hard to rank the lunacy of believers in the flying spaghetti monsters, but [ … ] is one of the reigning champs of idiocy. I guess the good thing if someone is [ … ] is they aren’t alone. [/quote]
Now replace the blanks with the name of any other major religion or political philosophy, and the statement makes just as much sense. “No one of us is as stupid as all of us.”[/quote]
True. Just trying to give Catholics their special reward for fighting the fight of corruption, hypocrisy, hatred, war, etc. for so long and with such consistency. I think it’s sad I knew when I heard the Pope’s comments that people in the church would be “mad” at him for even appearing tolerant or accepting.