Just saying.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Just saying.[/quote]
He’s saying the things I have been saying all along…
And he is alright with actively Gay Priests.
If by active you mean celibate, understands that homosex is sinful, has repented…yeah.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
If by active you mean celibate, understands that homosex is sinful, has repented…yeah.[/quote]
They might have taken a vow of celibacy, but do you honestly believe 100% are?
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
If by active you mean celibate, understands that homosex is sinful, has repented…yeah.[/quote]
They might have taken a vow of celibacy, but do you honestly believe 100% are? [/quote]
They might have claimed to believe in Christ, but do I know that 100% do?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
If by active you mean celibate, understands that homosex is sinful, has repented…yeah.[/quote]
They might have taken a vow of celibacy, but do you honestly believe 100% are? [/quote]
They might have claimed to believe in Christ, but do I know that 100% do?
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I can tell you 100% are not, and that answers both of our questions.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
If by active you mean celibate, understands that homosex is sinful, has repented…yeah.[/quote]
They might have taken a vow of celibacy, but do you honestly believe 100% are? [/quote]
They might have claimed to believe in Christ, but do I know that 100% do?
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I can tell you 100% are not, and that answers both of our questions.[/quote]
Then what’s the point of your question?
Hes the peoples pope I like him 
# Red shoes go with everything
He certainly doesn’t mean Pope Francis is ok with actively Gay priests.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
He certainly doesn’t mean mean Pope Francis is ok with actively Gay priests.[/quote]
The statement that come out yesterday from the Pope about homosexuals was a bit concerting. The first part of the statement was ok, but when he translated it to homosexual Priests I cringed. If a Priest is actively homosexual then the church should do something about it. The Episcopalians did this with allowing Actively Gay Priests and Bishops. There was a Bishop that had his gay lover sleeping in his bed every night. Anyone in active sin should not be in any leadership role in the church.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
He certainly doesn’t mean mean Pope Francis is ok with actively Gay priests.[/quote]
The statement that come out yesterday from the Pope about homosexuals was a bit concerting. The first part of the statement was ok, but when he translated it to homosexual Priests I cringed. If a Priest is actively homosexual then the church should do something about it. The Episcopalians did this with allowing Actively Gay Priests and Bishops. There was a Bishop that had his gay lover sleeping in his bed every night. Anyone in active sin should not be in any leadership role in the church.[/quote]
Where are you getting this from his statement?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
He certainly doesn’t mean mean Pope Francis is ok with actively Gay priests.[/quote]
The statement that come out yesterday from the Pope about homosexuals was a bit concerting. The first part of the statement was ok, but when he translated it to homosexual Priests I cringed. If a Priest is actively homosexual then the church should do something about it. The Episcopalians did this with allowing Actively Gay Priests and Bishops. There was a Bishop that had his gay lover sleeping in his bed every night. Anyone in active sin should not be in any leadership role in the church.[/quote]
Where are you getting this from his statement?
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I might be reading between the lines, but it was a bit weird. I am trying to find the statement, but they have cut it down to “Who am I to judge.” There is a division amongst Catholics about the statement.
I will say this Pope lives out his Faith. I respect that.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
He certainly doesn’t mean mean Pope Francis is ok with actively Gay priests.[/quote]
The statement that come out yesterday from the Pope about homosexuals was a bit concerting. The first part of the statement was ok, but when he translated it to homosexual Priests I cringed. If a Priest is actively homosexual then the church should do something about it. The Episcopalians did this with allowing Actively Gay Priests and Bishops. There was a Bishop that had his gay lover sleeping in his bed every night. Anyone in active sin should not be in any leadership role in the church.[/quote]
Where are you getting this from his statement?
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I might be reading between the lines, but it was a bit weird. I am trying to find the statement, but they have cut it down to “Who am I to judge.” There is a division amongst Catholics about the statement.[/quote]
The statement deals with two things. Well three, but two germane to our conversation.
The judgement bit was said to distinguish between two different camps of gays.
We have all the room in the world for chaste gays. Gays who are openly and honestly seeking God on his terms. This requires celibacy. And true repentance in the event of sin. In so far as the individuals above he reserves any judgment. And in society at large, basic neighborliness with ALL people.
This was more of a contrast to what he was actually trying to take aim at. Which is that there is no room for a ‘gay lobby’ in the church. Gays (or heteros) that seek to ‘lobby’ for change in moral teachings of the Church on, say, gay marriage.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
And he is alright with actively Gay Priests.[/quote]
As have been all Popes that I’m aware of.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
And he is alright with actively Gay Priests.[/quote]
As have been all Popes that I’m aware of. [/quote]
What?!? And you are ok with that?
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
If by active you mean celibate, understands that homosex is sinful, has repented…yeah.[/quote]
They might have taken a vow of celibacy, but do you honestly believe 100% are? [/quote]
No, but the Pope said that if they accept the Lord, and have goodwill, who am I to judge them?
That means they are celibate (obviously people fall and that’s why we forgive), know that homosex is sinful, and have repented of past sins (aren’t living in open immorality).
He also condemned priests that would be part of the “gay lobby” who would be living in open morality and be advocating people accept their sin.
So, basically what every person that has occupied St. Peter’s office has said…distinguish the person from the inclination and the inclination from the action. Don’t judge the person, condemn the action. Nothing new.
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Hes the peoples pope I like him # Red shoes go with everything[/quote]
This guy wears black shoes, sorry brother. Pope Benedict wore the blood of martyr shoes.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
He certainly doesn’t mean mean Pope Francis is ok with actively Gay priests.[/quote]
The statement that come out yesterday from the Pope about homosexuals was a bit concerting. The first part of the statement was ok, but when he translated it to homosexual Priests I cringed. If a Priest is actively homosexual then the church should do something about it. The Episcopalians did this with allowing Actively Gay Priests and Bishops. There was a Bishop that had his gay lover sleeping in his bed every night. Anyone in active sin should not be in any leadership role in the church.[/quote]
This is correct. Here is a fuller quote of what the Pope said, unedited by me.
[quote]The Question to Pope Francis from Ilse, a journalist on the Papal flight
Ilse: I would like to ask permission to pose a rather delicate question. Another image that went around the world is that of Monsignor Ricca and the news about his personal life. I would like to know, your Holiness, what will be done about this question. How should one deal with this question and how does your Holiness wish to deal with the whole question of the gay lobby?
The Popeâ??s Answer
Regarding the matter of Monsignor Ricca, I did what Canon Law required and did the required investigation. And from the investigation, we did not find anything corresponding to the accusations against him. We found none of that. That is the answer. But I would like to add one more thing to this: I see that so many times in the Church, apart from this case and also in this case, one looks for the â??sins of youth,â?? for example, is it not thus?, And then these things are published. These things are not crimes. The crimes are something else: child abuse is a crime. But sins, if a person, or secular priest or a nun, has committed a sin and then that person experienced conversion, the Lord forgives and when the Lord forgives, the Lord forgets and this is very important for our lives. When we go to confession and we truly say â??I have sinned in this matter,â?? the Lord forgets and we do not have the right to not forget because we run the risk that the Lord will not forget our sins, eh? This is a danger. This is what is important: a theology of sin. So many times I think of St. Peter: he committed one of the worst sins denying Christ. And with this sin they made him Pope. We must think about fact often.
But returning to your question more concretely: in this case [Ricca] I did the required investigation and we found nothing. That is the first question. Then you spoke of the gay lobby. Aghâ?¦ so much is written about the gay lobby. I have yet to find on a Vatican identity card the word gay. They say there are some gay people here. I think that when we encounter a gay person, we must make the distinction between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of a lobby, because lobbies are not good. They are bad. If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge that person? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this point beautifully but says, wait a moment, how does it say, it says, these persons must never be marginalized and â??they must be integrated into society.â??
The problem is not that one has this tendency; no, we must be brothers, this is the first matter. There is another problem, another one: the problem is to form a lobby of those who have this tendency, a lobby of the greedy people, a lobby of politicians, a lobby of Masons, so many lobbies. This is the most serious problem for me. And thank you so much for doing this question. Thank you very much!
Read more: 7 things you need to know about what Pope Francis said about gays| National Catholic Register [/quote]