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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
If Israel allows all Palestinians citizenship then Jews are now the minority in elections…I don’t know if that works for them, maybe…but I think not.
[/quote]

This is probably why there isn’t political will in Israel. There is a lot of anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia amongst some sections of the Israeli Jewish population (just as there is Anti-Semitism in a lot of the Palestinian population). There is also the desire for a Jewish state. However, the actions of successive Israeli governments in keeping the settlement program in the West Bank underway makes this very difficult.

The point is that there are three options:

  1. Eternal war. The Palestinian population continues to grow. World opinion continues to turn against Israel as the Israelis are forced to get more aggressive to suppress the Palestinians. End result? Genocide one way or another.

  2. Two state solution. Could have worked but there are probably too many settlers in the West Bank by now and essentially clearing those settlements would be more ethnic cleansing. Palestinian government wants this. Current Israeli government rejects it. Would make both countries weak in the face of external assaults which given the nature of the Middle East could be dangerous.

  3. One state solution. I’ve discussed this above. Yes it is not perfect.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Also, who makes the call if a Palestinian shopkeeper is truly a peace loving worker…or Hamas warrior in disguise?
[/quote]
True hence why I said it needs to be done carefully. And they would have to work very hard to stamp out racism on both sides. However, even if the shopkeeper is currently a Hamas warrior how many people are able to still be zealots when their family has a chance for a better life? And if he does turn out to be a crazy extremist? That is what prison is for.

Interesting video that I think is relevant to this which has some Israeli Arabs discussing whether they should serve in the Israeli army. One of the things that one of them points out is that by serving in the army he would feel more connected to his country (Israel) even though it would mean fighting family members. Israeli Arabs: Will you serve in the Israeli army? - YouTube

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Why would 18 members of your family live in such an evil place?

Do you have any documentation of raping and herding folks out of Israel?..many links have been posted on these threads documenting the purchasing of the land by Jews, many times at inflated costs. As well as the offer of citizenship to anybody who wanted to stay.

Do you have some proof of these atrocities aside from a Jihadists instruction handbook?[/quote]

I wouldn’t ask for documentation of rape–1st because this is a loooooooong standing war and there is GOING to be some of that happening somewhere. That’s what a 70 year long conflict can do to twist humans. 2nd because that’s going about it the wrong way–Israel has done some serious wrongs, as ALL COUNTRIES on earth have, but has remained legitimately governed and non-terroristic. 3rd because they did in fact offer citizenship, they did in fact purchase the land through non-governmental means prior to 1948…which means private purchases that were and are legal.

After the civil war in '48, and of course likely during it, I am sure disenfranchisement occurred. Unfortunately, that is the cost of war. That is what all wars, in the history of the world, have done to some amount of people. That is a fact of nature, and I do not consider the bald fact enough to condemn Israel as terroristic or unlawful. The things that have gone on in Israel’s actions during the last 70 years or so are absolute peanuts compared with what many of the “evolved” Western European powers did throughout their hundreds of years of existence. Or, for that matter, the USA has done.

In other words, if that is someone’s measuring stick then NO GOV’T on earth passes muster.[/quote]

Just a point of interest. Yes they had bought some land but the Jewish population in British Mandatory Palestine were mainly urban and owned between 6-8% of the land prior to the partition. (They were about 1/3 of the population - an increase from less than 10% in 1900.)

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[quote]lou21 wrote:
But Israel are turning from unpleasant to evil.[/quote]

Jackpot.

Now we understand your perspective. You just basically don’t like Jews. You didn’t like them before this, now you find something to justify your hate. Thanks for your unbaised, impartial analysis.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Why would 18 members of your family live in such an evil place?

Do you have any documentation of raping and herding folks out of Israel?..many links have been posted on these threads documenting the purchasing of the land by Jews, many times at inflated costs. As well as the offer of citizenship to anybody who wanted to stay.

Do you have some proof of these atrocities aside from a Jihadists instruction handbook?[/quote]

I wouldn’t ask for documentation of rape–1st because this is a loooooooong standing war and there is GOING to be some of that happening somewhere. That’s what a 70 year long conflict can do to twist humans. 2nd because that’s going about it the wrong way–Israel has done some serious wrongs, as ALL COUNTRIES on earth have, but has remained legitimately governed and non-terroristic. 3rd because they did in fact offer citizenship, they did in fact purchase the land through non-governmental means prior to 1948…which means private purchases that were and are legal.

After the civil war in '48, and of course likely during it, I am sure disenfranchisement occurred. Unfortunately, that is the cost of war. That is what all wars, in the history of the world, have done to some amount of people. That is a fact of nature, and I do not consider the bald fact enough to condemn Israel as terroristic or unlawful. The things that have gone on in Israel’s actions during the last 70 years or so are absolute peanuts compared with what many of the “evolved” Western European powers did throughout their hundreds of years of existence. Or, for that matter, the USA has done.

In other words, if that is someone’s measuring stick then NO GOV’T on earth passes muster.[/quote]

Yep, this is the measuring stick for people with an actually consistent ethical framework for all governments because government is fundamentally the initiation of force and holds a monopoly on force.

The United states and every other government exploits the welfare class as a voting base in the same way for the same violent purposes.

Attributing “evil” to a country is impossible. Governments are violent fantasies where somehow an aggregate can have rights individuals do not possess in the first place.

As to the documentation of rape, I can provide that when I get home to link it.

As to the 'herding" you just have to rad the Modern Rabbinical Talmud where it states that “the souls and bodies of Jews are as far from non-Jews as non-Jews are from cattle”.
Follow that by the record(which i’ll provide as well) of the strategy in 46-48 of encircling non-Jews on 3 sides leaving one side open for retreat and you get “herding” literally.

As to the “offer of citizenship to anyone who wanted to stay”, that is absolute bullshit since unconditionally Rabbinical Judaism before the Zionist movement considered it blasphemous NOT to await the arrival of the messianic prophecy to carry them into the holy land and it was the same for the native Jewish clans in Palestine who had coexisted there for 600 hundred years.

In fact, there is STILL, right now today a faction of Orthadox Jews in Israel with the same contention.

It was the statist/marxist influences that shifted the rhetoric to reclaiming the Promised Land by establishing a political state ironically through land purchases first.

Further, at the time of the establishment of the Jewish state by western hegemonic powers Jewish settlements comprised a tiny part(i’ll document this as well) of the land and only %6 of population and were actually awarded over %50 of the land of western occupied Palestine.

I’ll continued with the documented admission of being the aggressors by Zionist leadership in a little while.

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:
But Israel are turning from unpleasant to evil.[/quote]

Jackpot.

Now we understand your perspective. You just basically don’t like Jews. You didn’t like them before this, now you find something to justify your hate. Thanks for your unbiased, impartial analysis.[/quote]

Conflating Israel to Jews is as Ridiculous to conflating Democrats and Republicans to Americans or Nazis to Germans.

It’s REALLY fucking offensive.

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[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Why would 18 members of your family live in such an evil place?

Do you have any documentation of raping and herding folks out of Israel?..many links have been posted on these threads documenting the purchasing of the land by Jews, many times at inflated costs. As well as the offer of citizenship to anybody who wanted to stay.

Do you have some proof of these atrocities aside from a Jihadists instruction handbook?[/quote]

I wouldn’t ask for documentation of rape–1st because this is a loooooooong standing war and there is GOING to be some of that happening somewhere. That’s what a 70 year long conflict can do to twist humans. 2nd because that’s going about it the wrong way–Israel has done some serious wrongs, as ALL COUNTRIES on earth have, but has remained legitimately governed and non-terroristic. 3rd because they did in fact offer citizenship, they did in fact purchase the land through non-governmental means prior to 1948…which means private purchases that were and are legal.

After the civil war in '48, and of course likely during it, I am sure disenfranchisement occurred. Unfortunately, that is the cost of war. That is what all wars, in the history of the world, have done to some amount of people. That is a fact of nature, and I do not consider the bald fact enough to condemn Israel as terroristic or unlawful. The things that have gone on in Israel’s actions during the last 70 years or so are absolute peanuts compared with what many of the “evolved” Western European powers did throughout their hundreds of years of existence. Or, for that matter, the USA has done.

In other words, if that is someone’s measuring stick then NO GOV’T on earth passes muster.[/quote]

Yep, this is the measuring stick for people with an actually consistent ethical framework for all governments because government is fundamentally the initiation of force and holds a monopoly on force.

The United states and every other government exploits the welfare class as a voting base in the same way for the same violent purposes.

Attributing “evil” to a country is impossible. Governments are violent fantasies where somehow an aggregate can have rights individuals do not possess in the first place.

As to the documentation of rape, I can provide that when I get home to link it.

As to the 'herding" you just have to rad the Modern Rabbinical Talmud where it states that “the souls and bodies of Jews are as far from non-Jews as non-Jews are from cattle”.
Follow that by the record(which i’ll provide as well) of the strategy in 46-48 of encircling non-Jews on 3 sides leaving one side open for retreat and you get “herding” literally.

As to the “offer of citizenship to anyone who wanted to stay”, that is absolute bullshit since unconditionally Rabbinical Judaism before the Zionist movement considered it blasphemous NOT to await the arrival of the messianic prophecy to carry them into the holy land and it was the same for the native Jewish clans in Palestine who had coexisted there for 600 hundred years.

In fact, there is STILL, right now today a faction of Orthadox Jews in Israel with the same contention.

It was the statist/marxist influences that shifted the rhetoric to reclaiming the Promised Land by establishing a political state ironically through land purchases first.

Further, at the time of the establishment of the Jewish state by western hegemonic powers Jewish settlements comprised a tiny part(i’ll document this as well) of the land and only %6 of population and were actually awarded over %50 of the land of western occupied Palestine.

I’ll continued with the documented admission of being the aggressors by Zionist leadership in a little while.[/quote]

You can just see the bias oooozing out of this post. We are having a reasonable discussion of solutions and you thunder in here waving the ISRAEL IS EVIL AS FUCK flag.

Spare me bud.

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And the reason I have a hard time believing peace is possible is…I have heard the Mullahs calling for the death of all Jews and Christians…saying all true Muslims must fight until Allah is the only worldly option.

My two friends are Muslim, they say that only 5-10% of Muslims are extreme like that. Let’s do the math shall we…

There are roughly 2 BILLION Muslims on the planet.

10% of that is 200 MILLION.

200 MILLION people who would see me and every Jew dead.

See…now that’s a bit of a problem for me.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Why would 18 members of your family live in such an evil place?

Do you have any documentation of raping and herding folks out of Israel?..many links have been posted on these threads documenting the purchasing of the land by Jews, many times at inflated costs. As well as the offer of citizenship to anybody who wanted to stay.

Do you have some proof of these atrocities aside from a Jihadists instruction handbook?[/quote]

I wouldn’t ask for documentation of rape–1st because this is a loooooooong standing war and there is GOING to be some of that happening somewhere. That’s what a 70 year long conflict can do to twist humans. 2nd because that’s going about it the wrong way–Israel has done some serious wrongs, as ALL COUNTRIES on earth have, but has remained legitimately governed and non-terroristic. 3rd because they did in fact offer citizenship, they did in fact purchase the land through non-governmental means prior to 1948…which means private purchases that were and are legal.

After the civil war in '48, and of course likely during it, I am sure disenfranchisement occurred. Unfortunately, that is the cost of war. That is what all wars, in the history of the world, have done to some amount of people. That is a fact of nature, and I do not consider the bald fact enough to condemn Israel as terroristic or unlawful. The things that have gone on in Israel’s actions during the last 70 years or so are absolute peanuts compared with what many of the “evolved” Western European powers did throughout their hundreds of years of existence. Or, for that matter, the USA has done.

In other words, if that is someone’s measuring stick then NO GOV’T on earth passes muster.[/quote]

Yep, this is the measuring stick for people with an actually consistent ethical framework for all governments because government is fundamentally the initiation of force and holds a monopoly on force.

The United states and every other government exploits the welfare class as a voting base in the same way for the same violent purposes.

Attributing “evil” to a country is impossible. Governments are violent fantasies where somehow an aggregate can have rights individuals do not possess in the first place.

As to the documentation of rape, I can provide that when I get home to link it.

As to the 'herding" you just have to rad the Modern Rabbinical Talmud where it states that “the souls and bodies of Jews are as far from non-Jews as non-Jews are from cattle”.
Follow that by the record(which i’ll provide as well) of the strategy in 46-48 of encircling non-Jews on 3 sides leaving one side open for retreat and you get “herding” literally.

As to the “offer of citizenship to anyone who wanted to stay”, that is absolute bullshit since unconditionally Rabbinical Judaism before the Zionist movement considered it blasphemous NOT to await the arrival of the messianic prophecy to carry them into the holy land and it was the same for the native Jewish clans in Palestine who had coexisted there for 600 hundred years.

In fact, there is STILL, right now today a faction of Orthadox Jews in Israel with the same contention.

It was the statist/marxist influences that shifted the rhetoric to reclaiming the Promised Land by establishing a political state ironically through land purchases first.

Further, at the time of the establishment of the Jewish state by western hegemonic powers Jewish settlements comprised a tiny part(i’ll document this as well) of the land and only %6 of population and were actually awarded over %50 of the land of western occupied Palestine.

I’ll continued with the documented admission of being the aggressors by Zionist leadership in a little while.[/quote]

You can just see the bias oooozing out of this post. We are having a reasonable discussion of solutions and you thunder in here waving the ISRAEL IS EVIL AS FUCK flag.

Spare me bud.[/quote]

I actually literally said that you can’t use the word “evil” to describe them. Just saying your discussion is “reasonable” and i’m “waving the evil flag” is not an argument.

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[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Why would 18 members of your family live in such an evil place?

Do you have any documentation of raping and herding folks out of Israel?..many links have been posted on these threads documenting the purchasing of the land by Jews, many times at inflated costs. As well as the offer of citizenship to anybody who wanted to stay.

Do you have some proof of these atrocities aside from a Jihadists instruction handbook?[/quote]

I wouldn’t ask for documentation of rape–1st because this is a loooooooong standing war and there is GOING to be some of that happening somewhere. That’s what a 70 year long conflict can do to twist humans. 2nd because that’s going about it the wrong way–Israel has done some serious wrongs, as ALL COUNTRIES on earth have, but has remained legitimately governed and non-terroristic. 3rd because they did in fact offer citizenship, they did in fact purchase the land through non-governmental means prior to 1948…which means private purchases that were and are legal.

After the civil war in '48, and of course likely during it, I am sure disenfranchisement occurred. Unfortunately, that is the cost of war. That is what all wars, in the history of the world, have done to some amount of people. That is a fact of nature, and I do not consider the bald fact enough to condemn Israel as terroristic or unlawful. The things that have gone on in Israel’s actions during the last 70 years or so are absolute peanuts compared with what many of the “evolved” Western European powers did throughout their hundreds of years of existence. Or, for that matter, the USA has done.

In other words, if that is someone’s measuring stick then NO GOV’T on earth passes muster.[/quote]

Yep, this is the measuring stick for people with an actually consistent ethical framework for all governments because government is fundamentally the initiation of force and holds a monopoly on force.

The United states and every other government exploits the welfare class as a voting base in the same way for the same violent purposes.

Attributing “evil” to a country is impossible. Governments are violent fantasies where somehow an aggregate can have rights individuals do not possess in the first place.

As to the documentation of rape, I can provide that when I get home to link it.

As to the 'herding" you just have to rad the Modern Rabbinical Talmud where it states that “the souls and bodies of Jews are as far from non-Jews as non-Jews are from cattle”.
Follow that by the record(which i’ll provide as well) of the strategy in 46-48 of encircling non-Jews on 3 sides leaving one side open for retreat and you get “herding” literally.

As to the “offer of citizenship to anyone who wanted to stay”, that is absolute bullshit since unconditionally Rabbinical Judaism before the Zionist movement considered it blasphemous NOT to await the arrival of the messianic prophecy to carry them into the holy land and it was the same for the native Jewish clans in Palestine who had coexisted there for 600 hundred years.

In fact, there is STILL, right now today a faction of Orthadox Jews in Israel with the same contention.

It was the statist/marxist influences that shifted the rhetoric to reclaiming the Promised Land by establishing a political state ironically through land purchases first.

Further, at the time of the establishment of the Jewish state by western hegemonic powers Jewish settlements comprised a tiny part(i’ll document this as well) of the land and only %6 of population and were actually awarded over %50 of the land of western occupied Palestine.

I’ll continued with the documented admission of being the aggressors by Zionist leadership in a little while.[/quote]

You can just see the bias oooozing out of this post. We are having a reasonable discussion of solutions and you thunder in here waving the ISRAEL IS EVIL AS FUCK flag.

Spare me bud.[/quote]

I actually literally said that you can’t use the word “evil” to describe them. Just saying your discussion is “reasonable” and i’m “waving the evil flag” is not an argument.[/quote]

Nope, just the truth.

Clearly you don’t fear extremist Islam like the Israeli’s do…they are doing what they have to do to survive.

Buko for you.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Why would 18 members of your family live in such an evil place?

Do you have any documentation of raping and herding folks out of Israel?..many links have been posted on these threads documenting the purchasing of the land by Jews, many times at inflated costs. As well as the offer of citizenship to anybody who wanted to stay.

Do you have some proof of these atrocities aside from a Jihadists instruction handbook?[/quote]

I wouldn’t ask for documentation of rape–1st because this is a loooooooong standing war and there is GOING to be some of that happening somewhere. That’s what a 70 year long conflict can do to twist humans. 2nd because that’s going about it the wrong way–Israel has done some serious wrongs, as ALL COUNTRIES on earth have, but has remained legitimately governed and non-terroristic. 3rd because they did in fact offer citizenship, they did in fact purchase the land through non-governmental means prior to 1948…which means private purchases that were and are legal.

After the civil war in '48, and of course likely during it, I am sure disenfranchisement occurred. Unfortunately, that is the cost of war. That is what all wars, in the history of the world, have done to some amount of people. That is a fact of nature, and I do not consider the bald fact enough to condemn Israel as terroristic or unlawful. The things that have gone on in Israel’s actions during the last 70 years or so are absolute peanuts compared with what many of the “evolved” Western European powers did throughout their hundreds of years of existence. Or, for that matter, the USA has done.

In other words, if that is someone’s measuring stick then NO GOV’T on earth passes muster.[/quote]

Yep, this is the measuring stick for people with an actually consistent ethical framework for all governments because government is fundamentally the initiation of force and holds a monopoly on force.

The United states and every other government exploits the welfare class as a voting base in the same way for the same violent purposes.

Attributing “evil” to a country is impossible. Governments are violent fantasies where somehow an aggregate can have rights individuals do not possess in the first place.

As to the documentation of rape, I can provide that when I get home to link it.

As to the 'herding" you just have to rad the Modern Rabbinical Talmud where it states that “the souls and bodies of Jews are as far from non-Jews as non-Jews are from cattle”.
Follow that by the record(which i’ll provide as well) of the strategy in 46-48 of encircling non-Jews on 3 sides leaving one side open for retreat and you get “herding” literally.

As to the “offer of citizenship to anyone who wanted to stay”, that is absolute bullshit since unconditionally Rabbinical Judaism before the Zionist movement considered it blasphemous NOT to await the arrival of the messianic prophecy to carry them into the holy land and it was the same for the native Jewish clans in Palestine who had coexisted there for 600 hundred years.

In fact, there is STILL, right now today a faction of Orthadox Jews in Israel with the same contention.

It was the statist/marxist influences that shifted the rhetoric to reclaiming the Promised Land by establishing a political state ironically through land purchases first.

Further, at the time of the establishment of the Jewish state by western hegemonic powers Jewish settlements comprised a tiny part(i’ll document this as well) of the land and only %6 of population and were actually awarded over %50 of the land of western occupied Palestine.

I’ll continued with the documented admission of being the aggressors by Zionist leadership in a little while.[/quote]

You can just see the bias oooozing out of this post. We are having a reasonable discussion of solutions and you thunder in here waving the ISRAEL IS EVIL AS FUCK flag.

Spare me bud.[/quote]

I actually literally said that you can’t use the word “evil” to describe them. Just saying your discussion is “reasonable” and i’m “waving the evil flag” is not an argument.[/quote]

Nope, just the truth.

Clearly you don’t fear extremist Islam like the Israeli’s do…they are doing what they have to do to survive.

Buko for you.[/quote]

Are you going to argue with the straw-man you’ve constructed or are you going to actual rebut the points I have made?

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[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:
But Israel are turning from unpleasant to evil.[/quote]

Jackpot.

Now we understand your perspective. You just basically don’t like Jews. You didn’t like them before this, now you find something to justify your hate. Thanks for your unbiased, impartial analysis.[/quote]

Conflating Israel to Jews is as Ridiculous to conflating Democrats and Republicans to Americans or Nazis to Germans.

It’s REALLY fucking offensive.[/quote]

Your account has been hacked by ISIS…

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[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Why would 18 members of your family live in such an evil place?

Do you have any documentation of raping and herding folks out of Israel?..many links have been posted on these threads documenting the purchasing of the land by Jews, many times at inflated costs. As well as the offer of citizenship to anybody who wanted to stay.

Do you have some proof of these atrocities aside from a Jihadists instruction handbook?[/quote]

I wouldn’t ask for documentation of rape–1st because this is a loooooooong standing war and there is GOING to be some of that happening somewhere. That’s what a 70 year long conflict can do to twist humans. 2nd because that’s going about it the wrong way–Israel has done some serious wrongs, as ALL COUNTRIES on earth have, but has remained legitimately governed and non-terroristic. 3rd because they did in fact offer citizenship, they did in fact purchase the land through non-governmental means prior to 1948…which means private purchases that were and are legal.

After the civil war in '48, and of course likely during it, I am sure disenfranchisement occurred. Unfortunately, that is the cost of war. That is what all wars, in the history of the world, have done to some amount of people. That is a fact of nature, and I do not consider the bald fact enough to condemn Israel as terroristic or unlawful. The things that have gone on in Israel’s actions during the last 70 years or so are absolute peanuts compared with what many of the “evolved” Western European powers did throughout their hundreds of years of existence. Or, for that matter, the USA has done.

In other words, if that is someone’s measuring stick then NO GOV’T on earth passes muster.[/quote]

Yep, this is the measuring stick for people with an actually consistent ethical framework for all governments because government is fundamentally the initiation of force and holds a monopoly on force.

The United states and every other government exploits the welfare class as a voting base in the same way for the same violent purposes.

Attributing “evil” to a country is impossible. Governments are violent fantasies where somehow an aggregate can have rights individuals do not possess in the first place.

As to the documentation of rape, I can provide that when I get home to link it.

As to the 'herding" you just have to rad the Modern Rabbinical Talmud where it states that “the souls and bodies of Jews are as far from non-Jews as non-Jews are from cattle”.
Follow that by the record(which i’ll provide as well) of the strategy in 46-48 of encircling non-Jews on 3 sides leaving one side open for retreat and you get “herding” literally.

As to the “offer of citizenship to anyone who wanted to stay”, that is absolute bullshit since unconditionally Rabbinical Judaism before the Zionist movement considered it blasphemous NOT to await the arrival of the messianic prophecy to carry them into the holy land and it was the same for the native Jewish clans in Palestine who had coexisted there for 600 hundred years.

In fact, there is STILL, right now today a faction of Orthadox Jews in Israel with the same contention.

It was the statist/marxist influences that shifted the rhetoric to reclaiming the Promised Land by establishing a political state ironically through land purchases first.

Further, at the time of the establishment of the Jewish state by western hegemonic powers Jewish settlements comprised a tiny part(i’ll document this as well) of the land and only %6 of population and were actually awarded over %50 of the land of western occupied Palestine.

I’ll continued with the documented admission of being the aggressors by Zionist leadership in a little while.[/quote]

You can just see the bias oooozing out of this post. We are having a reasonable discussion of solutions and you thunder in here waving the ISRAEL IS EVIL AS FUCK flag.

Spare me bud.[/quote]

I actually literally said that you can’t use the word “evil” to describe them. Just saying your discussion is “reasonable” and i’m “waving the evil flag” is not an argument.[/quote]

Nope, just the truth.

Clearly you don’t fear extremist Islam like the Israeli’s do…they are doing what they have to do to survive.

Buko for you.[/quote]

Are you going to argue with the straw-man you’ve constructed or are you going to actual rebut the points I have made?[/quote]

Ahhhhhhh the poor man’s white flag…ZOAH MAI GAWD…A STRAWMANZ!!

Come on man, you have an agenda…start posting those Joos are evil links you promised.

Don’t let us down. I hope the are from Israelismeanz.com

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Toolhuman doesn’t like da strawmanzz.

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Toolhuman doesn’t like da strawmanzz. [/quote]

It’s the ultimate cop out.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

The foundation of rabbinical Judaism in Israel literally compares the souls of non-jews to the souls of cattle.
[/quote]

[quote]TooHuman wrote:
As to the 'herding" you just have to rad the Modern Rabbinical Talmud where it states that “the souls and bodies of Jews are as far from non-Jews as non-Jews are from cattle”.
[/quote]

“As far from non-Jews as non-Jews are from cattle.”

Well, golly, gee; that kinda contradicts the point of your original post (above), now doesn’t it?
[/quote]

Compare as in make a “comparison”, not as in “liken”. In other words, if a non-jew found it acceptable to slaughter cattle, so a Jew should find it acceptable to slaughter non-jew women and children.

Example:

This is more or less a uniform mentally among Zionist Rabbinical Jews and the political block that relies on them in Israel and abroad.

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[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

The foundation of rabbinical Judaism in Israel literally compares the souls of non-jews to the souls of cattle.
[/quote]

[quote]TooHuman wrote:
As to the 'herding" you just have to rad the Modern Rabbinical Talmud where it states that “the souls and bodies of Jews are as far from non-Jews as non-Jews are from cattle”.
[/quote]

“As far from non-Jews as non-Jews are from cattle.”

Well, golly, gee; that kinda contradicts the point of your original post (above), now doesn’t it?
[/quote]

Compare as in make a “comparison”, not as in “liken”. In other words, if a non-jew found it acceptable to slaughter cattle, so a Jew should find it acceptable to slaughter non-jew women and children.

Example:

This is more or less a uniform mentally among Zionist Rabbinical Jews and the political block that relies on them in Israel and abroad.

Edit: I should also point out that this isn’t just in the case of modern Rabbinical Judaism.

Fundamentalist Rabbinical Judaism has this at it’s core at least as far as the interpretation of Kook the Elder and other foundational Zionists interpretations of the Lurianic Caballa.

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:
But Israel are turning from unpleasant to evil.[/quote]

Jackpot.

Now we understand your perspective. You just basically don’t like Jews. You didn’t like them before this, now you find something to justify your hate. Thanks for your unbaised, impartial analysis.[/quote]

Did you read those links in the first post?

If you can’t bring anything to the table apart from slander then shut up and let the adults talk.

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[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
If Israel allows all Palestinians citizenship then Jews are now the minority in elections…I don’t know if that works for them, maybe…but I think not.
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This is probably why there isn’t political will in Israel. There is a lot of anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia amongst some sections of the Israeli Jewish population (just as there is Anti-Semitism in a lot of the Palestinian population). There is also the desire for a Jewish state. However, the actions of successive Israeli governments in keeping the settlement program in the West Bank underway makes this very difficult.

The point is that there are three options:

  1. Eternal war. The Palestinian population continues to grow. World opinion continues to turn against Israel as the Israelis are forced to get more aggressive to suppress the Palestinians. End result? Genocide one way or another.

  2. Two state solution. Could have worked but there are probably too many settlers in the West Bank by now and essentially clearing those settlements would be more ethnic cleansing. Palestinian government wants this. Current Israeli government rejects it. Would make both countries weak in the face of external assaults which given the nature of the Middle East could be dangerous.

  3. One state solution. I’ve discussed this above. Yes it is not perfect.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Also, who makes the call if a Palestinian shopkeeper is truly a peace loving worker…or Hamas warrior in disguise?
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True hence why I said it needs to be done carefully. And they would have to work very hard to stamp out racism on both sides. However, even if the shopkeeper is currently a Hamas warrior how many people are able to still be zealots when their family has a chance for a better life? And if he does turn out to be a crazy extremist? That is what prison is for.

Interesting video that I think is relevant to this which has some Israeli Arabs discussing whether they should serve in the Israeli army. One of the things that one of them points out is that by serving in the army he would feel more connected to his country (Israel) even though it would mean fighting family members. Israeli Arabs: Will you serve in the Israeli army? - YouTube