Who Cares about the Palestinians?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Dr. Sanity asks, starting off her column with an excerpt from a John Derbyshire piece in 2002:

[quote]The Palestinians are Arabs; and the Arabs, whatever their medieval achievements (as best I can understand, they were mainly achievements of transmission ? “Arabic” numerals, for example, came from India) are politically hopeless. Who can dispute this? Look at the last 50-odd years, since the colonial powers left. What have the Arabs accomplished?

What have they built? Where in the Arab world is there a trace or a spark of democracy? Of constitutionalism? Of laws independent of the ruler’s whim? Of free inquiry? Of open public debate? Where in your house is there any article stamped “Made in Syria?” Arabs can be individually very charming and capable, and perform very well in free societies like the U.S.A. There are at least two recent Nobel prizes with Arab names attached. Collectively, though, as nations, the Arabs are no-hopers.

All of this applies to the Palestinians. I spent some of my formative years in Hong Kong, a barren piece of rock with zero natural resources, under foreign occupation, chock-full of refugees from the Mao tyranny. The people there weren’t lounging in UNRWA camps or making suicide runs at the governor’s mansion.

They were trading, building, speculating, manufacturing, working ? with the result that Hong Kong is now a glittering modern city filled with well-dressed, well-educated, well-fed people, proud of what they have accomplished together, and with a higher standard of living than Britain herself.

If, following the Oslo accords ? or for that matter, in the 20 years of Jordanian occupation ? the Palestinians had taken that route, had set aside their fantasies of revenge and massacre, and concentrated on building up something worth having, I might have respect for them. As it is, I don’t.

The only halfway sympathetic thing I can find to say about the Palestinians is that UNRWA has surely been part of the problem. If you go to the UNRWA website, you will see how proud they are of having fed, clothed, sheltered, educated and cared for the Palestinian refugees of 1948… and their children… and their grandchildren.

The number of people UNRWA cares for has gone from 600,000 in 1948 to nearly four million today. Now, I understand that the prime impulse of bureaucracies, especially welfare bureaucracies, is the consolidation and expansion of their turf, and a steady increase in the number of their “clients”; but this is ridiculous.

The good people of Hong Kong should go down on their knees every night and thank God that there was no UNRWA in the colony in 1949.[/quote]

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[quote]If only the world would ignore their continual whining and perpetual victimhood; and appreciate the con game the Palestinians have been playing for decades. If only the world would call them to account for undermining every peace process; breaking every truce.

If only the world would focus on the murderous rage and suicidal anger the Palestinians project; instead of focusing on and blaming the objects of that projection.[/quote]

Whining? Victimhood? Projection? Sounds like our resident Arab.

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I was disgusted for a second, then shocked, now I’m just laughing between cringes. I am embarrassed for you.

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Exactly what I’ve been trying to communicate, and nobody challenged me on it:

page 2 of www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/israel_give_me_a_motive?id=2715837&pageNo=1

Yes, the whining never stops for our “intelligent” internet-arab boy.

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I find is ironiinc that the people who actually care the most about the Palestinians are people that the palestinians would rather see dead.
They’ll happily send in suicide bombers in to Israel and then stand at the border waiting for hand outs from them.
For that matter who cares about the Palestinians? Only U.S., Europe and Egypt have expressed help and solutions for the palestinians in word and deed. The rest of the muslim world are content to sit there and watch them burn. Iran is happily sacrificing the palestinians to tickle their fantasy for genocide. But Iran won’t lift a finger to help them. They’ll send them weapons and then sit their and eat popcorn while they draw upon themselves the wrath of Israel…

The reality is this, the people the palestinians are claiming as their enemy is more ready, willing and able to help them…Their “friends” won’t lift a finger to give them a hand.

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[quote]GCF wrote:
I was disgusted for a second, then shocked, now I’m just laughing between cringes. I am embarrassed for you. [/quote]

Not as embarrassed as you should be for yourself.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
GCF wrote:
I was disgusted for a second, then shocked, now I’m just laughing between cringes. I am embarrassed for you.

Not as embarrassed as you should be for yourself. [/quote]

Well my fly isn’t low so I’m not really sure what I should be embarrassed about. Please enlighten me your eminence so I can adopt the appropriate facial expression and posture.

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There are several more differences between Hong Kong and the Gaza strip.

For one: the Hong Kong coast line is not being blocked by the Israeli navy.

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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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Why should we care about civilians, children, even babies being killed?? OK…this is sociopath-type thinking and I hope it’s a troll job.

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[quote]Floortom wrote:
Why should we care about civilians, children, even babies being killed?? OK…this is sociopath-type thinking and I hope it’s a troll job.[/quote]

what if the civilian hates your guts and would rather see you dead than alive, what if the children are carrying ak’s and would blow your head off…what if the babies’ are future suicide bombers, raised from birth to kill you…

i hear the words women and children alot to describe these “victims”…does it make me a terrible person that it doesn’t strike the cord that its intended to by the media? maybe i’m a terrible person…who knows.

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[quote]Floortom wrote:
Why should we care about civilians, children, even babies being killed?? OK…this is sociopath-type thinking and I hope it’s a troll job.[/quote]

In other words, “WAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!”

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
There are several more differences between Hong Kong and the Gaza strip.

For one: the Hong Kong coast line is not being blocked by the Israeli navy.[/quote]

japanese like scat porn
muslims like goat porn

japanese are good at math
muslims are good at blowing themselves up

I agree, there are lots of differences

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[quote]baretta wrote:
Floortom wrote:
Why should we care about civilians, children, even babies being killed?? OK…this is sociopath-type thinking and I hope it’s a troll job.

what if the civilian hates your guts and would rather see you dead than alive, what if the children are carrying ak’s and would blow your head off…what if the babies’ are future suicide bombers, raised from birth to kill you…

i hear the words women and children alot to describe these “victims”…does it make me a terrible person that it doesn’t strike the cord that its intended to by the media? maybe i’m a terrible person…who knows.[/quote]

Essentially, you believe that they should be killed for who they are, not what they do. Peace will never be achieved with nuts like this on both sides. Babies are legitimate targets now because they’re obviously future suicide bombers? Good lord, talk about vile…I

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holy shit prcaldude…im adding you to my friends list…

I am so glad to know that I am not the only one who thinks and feels this way…

simply fantastic.

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[quote]baretta wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
There are several more differences between Hong Kong and the Gaza strip.

For one: the Hong Kong coast line is not being blocked by the Israeli navy.

japanese like scat porn
muslims like goat porn

japanese are good at math
muslims are good at blowing themselves up

I agree, there are lots of differences

[/quote]

Japanese? Japanese? Please tell me you are trying to make a joke about how ignorant people are about world issues.

And seriously OP what type of final solution would you suggest to the problem of Palestine?

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
holy shit prcaldude…im adding you to my friends list…

I am so glad to know that I am not the only one who thinks and feels this way…

simply fantastic.[/quote]

You are among many people who feel the same way.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
baretta wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
There are several more differences between Hong Kong and the Gaza strip.

For one: the Hong Kong coast line is not being blocked by the Israeli navy.

japanese like scat porn
muslims like goat porn

japanese are good at math
muslims are good at blowing themselves up

I agree, there are lots of differences

Japanese? Japanese? Please tell me you are trying to make a joke about how ignorant people are about world issues.

And seriously OP what type of final solution would you suggest to the problem of Palestine?[/quote]

“Waaaaaaaaaah! The Joooos are beating up my favorite death cult!”

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Oh good, so you are prepared to have an adult discussion about it then!

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Dr. Sanity asks, starting off her column with an excerpt from a John Derbyshire piece in 2002:

The Palestinians are Arabs; and the Arabs, whatever their medieval achievements (as best I can understand, they were mainly achievements of transmission ? “Arabic” numerals, for example, came from India) are politically hopeless. Who can dispute this? Look at the last 50-odd years, since the colonial powers left. What have the Arabs accomplished?

What have they built? Where in the Arab world is there a trace or a spark of democracy? Of constitutionalism? Of laws independent of the ruler’s whim? Of free inquiry? Of open public debate? Where in your house is there any article stamped “Made in Syria?” Arabs can be individually very charming and capable, and perform very well in free societies like the U.S.A. There are at least two recent Nobel prizes with Arab names attached. Collectively, though, as nations, the Arabs are no-hopers.

All of this applies to the Palestinians. I spent some of my formative years in Hong Kong, a barren piece of rock with zero natural resources, under foreign occupation, chock-full of refugees from the Mao tyranny. The people there weren’t lounging in UNRWA camps or making suicide runs at the governor’s mansion.

They were trading, building, speculating, manufacturing, working ? with the result that Hong Kong is now a glittering modern city filled with well-dressed, well-educated, well-fed people, proud of what they have accomplished together, and with a higher standard of living than Britain herself.

If, following the Oslo accords ? or for that matter, in the 20 years of Jordanian occupation ? the Palestinians had taken that route, had set aside their fantasies of revenge and massacre, and concentrated on building up something worth having, I might have respect for them. As it is, I don’t.

The only halfway sympathetic thing I can find to say about the Palestinians is that UNRWA has surely been part of the problem. If you go to the UNRWA website, you will see how proud they are of having fed, clothed, sheltered, educated and cared for the Palestinian refugees of 1948… and their children… and their grandchildren.

The number of people UNRWA cares for has gone from 600,000 in 1948 to nearly four million today. Now, I understand that the prime impulse of bureaucracies, especially welfare bureaucracies, is the consolidation and expansion of their turf, and a steady increase in the number of their “clients”; but this is ridiculous.

The good people of Hong Kong should go down on their knees every night and thank God that there was no UNRWA in the colony in 1949.

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If only the world would ignore their continual whining and perpetual victimhood; and appreciate the con game the Palestinians have been playing for decades. If only the world would call them to account for undermining every peace process; breaking every truce.

If only the world would focus on the murderous rage and suicidal anger the Palestinians project; instead of focusing on and blaming the objects of that projection.

Whining? Victimhood? Projection? Sounds like our resident Arab.

[/quote]

Again, aren’t you a Christian?

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[quote]Floortom wrote:
baretta wrote:
Floortom wrote:
Why should we care about civilians, children, even babies being killed?? OK…this is sociopath-type thinking and I hope it’s a troll job.

what if the civilian hates your guts and would rather see you dead than alive, what if the children are carrying ak’s and would blow your head off…what if the babies’ are future suicide bombers, raised from birth to kill you…

i hear the words women and children alot to describe these “victims”…does it make me a terrible person that it doesn’t strike the cord that its intended to by the media? maybe i’m a terrible person…who knows.

Essentially, you believe that they should be killed for who they are, not what they do. Peace will never be achieved with nuts like this on both sides. Babies are legitimate targets now because they’re obviously future suicide bombers? Good lord, talk about vile…I
[/quote]

I like writing outrageous things and then letting the PC crazies respond. You do not disappoint.

I don’t like people who want to kill me…call me crazy.