[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Someone needs to start launching rockets at lou and we’ll record how he responds.[/quote]
Unlikely that I would ever do what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians… If I ever do then please by all means launch away.[/quote]
I think you have some order of operations mixed up, but regardless I agree you’d never do anything like what Israel has done. It would take things like courage and fortitude for that.
[quote]csulli wrote:
It’s a bit tough in the middle east to get to the “starting point” of anything since they practically haven’t stopped fighting since they’ve existed. [/quote]
Bingo!
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
Did you watch the video?[/quote]
I don’t have time to watch right now; I will take a look soon.[/quote]
Do let us know what you think.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Someone needs to start launching rockets at lou and we’ll record how he responds.[/quote]
Unlikely that I would ever do what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians… If I ever do then please by all means launch away.[/quote]
I think you have some order of operations mixed up, but regardless I agree you’d never do anything like what Israel has done. It would take things like courage and fortitude for that.[/quote]
It is very easy to get personal over the internet. Why don’t we stick to the issue.
And yes I would never do what Israel has done. I would never - for example - bomb a school. Nor would I steal another person’s land.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The funny thing that is getting left out is that the people who hurt and torture and rape and kill more “Palestinians” than anyone else are groups like Hamas.
I recently read the book “Son of Hamas” and while it paints a none too bright portrait of Israel, if half the crap he says about Hamas is true, they are nothing but pure evil. Killing off Hamas is good for more than just Israel. Destroying Hamas will most likely save many “Palestinians” too.
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Have Hamas killed 1800 people this year?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Someone needs to start launching rockets at lou and we’ll record how he responds.[/quote]
Unlikely that I would ever do what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians… If I ever do then please by all means launch away.[/quote]
You are aware that the Palestinians lost their land in a civil war that they started right? They would have their own country. Immigrating Jews were sold a lot of land by Arab Muslims. There was strife as the Arab Muslims still living in those area’s persecuted the Jews that were there. The UN tried to come up with a compromise. The Palestinians decided they wanted the land back that they sold but instead of buying it they were just going to take it. They went to war and in that war they were soundly trounced. Explain to me again how that is Israel running the Palestinians off of their land? [/quote]
OK that looks like a fairly garbled version of the early history. But I’ve not found many version that aren’t garbled so maybe you are correct.
I was referring to what has happened in the West Bank and Gaza since 1967.
And the thread was started to expose to some of you what the opinions of the Israeli right really are - very similar to the opinions of Hamas really.[/quote]
But you cant cut off at 1967 without losing context. The events of 47 and 48 give all future events context. But then again that might screw with your “They stole the land” point so we cant have that can we. [/quote]
Um actually it might strengthen my point.
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The funny thing that is getting left out is that the people who hurt and torture and rape and kill more “Palestinians” than anyone else are groups like Hamas.
I recently read the book “Son of Hamas” and while it paints a none too bright portrait of Israel, if half the crap he says about Hamas is true, they are nothing but pure evil. Killing off Hamas is good for more than just Israel. Destroying Hamas will most likely save many “Palestinians” too.
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Have Hamas killed 1800 people this year?
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First, does that number include cold blooded terrorists like members of Hamas and whatnot?
Second, Hamas is mostly responsible for purposely getting “schools” and such attacked. So, you are putting those on the wrong tally sheet.
Right, you would shrivel up and get killed. While radical Muslims overrun your family.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The funny thing that is getting left out is that the people who hurt and torture and rape and kill more “Palestinians” than anyone else are groups like Hamas.
I recently read the book “Son of Hamas” and while it paints a none too bright portrait of Israel, if half the crap he says about Hamas is true, they are nothing but pure evil. Killing off Hamas is good for more than just Israel. Destroying Hamas will most likely save many “Palestinians” too.
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Have Hamas killed 1800 people this year?
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First, does that number include cold blooded terrorists like members of Hamas and whatnot?
Second, Hamas is mostly responsible for purposely getting “schools” and such attacked. So, you are putting those on the wrong tally sheet.
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No to mention that “but you are more effective at warfare so that is unfair and you should be forced to stop” isn’t a valid rational for ending conflict.
If I go out hunting bears, make a mistake and end up mauled, it is my fault for picking the fight with the bear, not the bear’s fault for not having its arms tied to a tree.
I feel were are losing track of the point of the thread. Have mainly of you read the links I posted? What did you think?
[quote]lou21 wrote:
I feel were are losing track of the point of the thread. [/quote]
Um, no. We’re just not buying what you’re trying to sell.
The point of this thread was to make another in a long line to try and convince us that Israel is really just a big evil monster that needs to be put on a leash.
That point has fallen on its face.
So…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
I feel were are losing track of the point of the thread. [/quote]
Um, no. We’re just not buying what you’re trying to sell.
The point of this thread was to make another in a long line to try and convince us that Israel is really just a big evil monster that needs to be put on a leash.
That point has fallen on its face.
So…
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Well yes the point of the thread is to demonstrate to the people on this website the evil that is growing in segments of the Israeli public life. The links I posted stand for themselves in this respect.
You are awarded 1000 internet points. Now read the articles I posted you might learn something.
[quote]lou21 wrote:
I feel were are losing track of the point of the thread. Have mainly of you read the links I posted? What did you think?[/quote]
The first one makes some good points. At this point I agree with the annexation of Gaza. I think it’s the only way to contain the violence and stop it. As for as concentration camps, a.k.a. prisons, I agree so long as they are only for Hamas members.
So long as Hamas refuses to recognize Israel’s right to exist, fails to renounce violence, and continues to call for the murder of Jews there is no chance at a 2 state solution.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
I feel were are losing track of the point of the thread. Have mainly of you read the links I posted? What did you think?[/quote]
The first one makes some good points. At this point I agree with the annexation of Gaza. I think it’s the only way to contain the violence and stop it. As for as concentration camps, a.k.a. prisons, I agree so long as they are only for Hamas members.
So long as Hamas refuses to recognize Israel’s right to exist, fails to renounce violence, and continues to call for the murder of Jews there is no chance at a 2 state solution. [/quote]
Are the views of Hamas any worse than those put forward by the people quoted in those articles? How?
[quote]lou21 wrote:
Well yes the point of the thread is to demonstrate to the people on this website the evil that is growing in segments of the Israeli public life. [/quote]
lmao… You are in way over your head here. Particularly to the American’s. (If you are an American yourself, then it makes your rampant biased rhetoric even more egregious and off putting.)
In short, you’re here with an agenda, and your agenda blows.
Maybe actually take an honest look at what your defending (and no, you haven’t, we can read) and maybe you’ll learn something.
Until you stop ignoring the facts that are inconvenient for your “cause” you won’t be taken serious.
[quote]lou21 wrote:
Well yes the point of the thread is to demonstrate to the people on this website the evil that is growing in segments of the Israeli public life. The links I posted stand for themselves in this respect.
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No they don’t.
They show a couple of prominent politicians and individuals showing opinions that seem rather indicative of the level this conflict has reached.
In all actuality, Israel SHOULD be allowed to just invade and destroy Hamas. There is no possible way this can end peacefully at this point; too much bad blood and too much emotion on both sides for them to act “rationally”.
And you’re incredibly blind if you just read those and assume that they mean Israel is “evil”. Have you ever read what Hamas wants? Last I checked, they want to completely drive Israel out and evict all of the Israeli living there.
Now, you tell me, how is that any better than what the guy in the first article wants?
[quote]lou21 wrote:
Are the views of Hamas any worse than those put forward by the people quoted in those articles? How?[/quote]
massively worse
If the specifics of their moral equivalencies still need to be explained to you at this point I would first seek out the original thread and read through that, and I would secondly question the base knowledge from which you are drawing your conclusions and creating these threads…
[quote]magick wrote:
…Last I checked, they want to completely drive Israel out and evict all of the Israeli living there…
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If only. No, there publicly stated goal is the extermination of all Jews. Not just getting them out of the region.
[quote]magick wrote:
There is no possible way this can end peacefully at this point; too much bad blood and too much emotion on both sides for them to act “rationally”.
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Bingo!
That’s two today
I apologise I thought there might be some reasonable people on these forums capable of thinking a little for themselves. I guess I was wrong. Good bye.