[quote]lou21 wrote:
I’m curious how do the pro-Israelis here justify their positions? How do they sleep at night?[/quote]
Spare me the mock righteousness while you’re at it rofl. Even “pro-Israelis” here aren’t actually Israelis except for Jewbacca. We’re all just fuckin Americans on the other side of the world. Regardless of where we think the moral high ground lies or what the political/societal/geographical outcomes of this conflict should be, we’re still ridiculously far removed from the actual issue. So I’m sure we sleep just fine lol. Have you ever even experienced any true hardship? Do you even know what should constitute having trouble sleeping at night? Get over the hyperbole man lol.[/quote]
You are aware how much money your government gives to Israel? You are aware where their weapons come from? Spare me the bollocks.[/quote]
Israelis are perfectly good at making their own weapons. America has given money and guns to practically everyone at this point. It’s not bollocks, we’re just desensitized at the ubiquity of it all. If you’re expecting anyone in America to feel personally culpable in any way for any government assistance we provide Israel you’d better not hold your breath lol. Nobody cares.
[quote]lou21 wrote:
Yes some of the articles are a little hysterical that is why I added the Times of Israel article which is better than the Daily Fail one. But just read the words coming from the actual Israeli MKs and academics proposing their solution to the Palestinian Problem. These solutions include: rape, ethnic cleansing and what sounds suspiciously like (that British invention in the Boer War) concentration camps. How is that not interesting? It adds some perspective on what the IDF are doing right now does it not?[/quote]
No not really. I mean you just used the words “rape, ethnic cleansing, and concentration camps” in that post and I’m not drawing conclusions about you wanting to do those things.
The only interesting part is the camp bit and the conquest type movement to get Gaza under control. You’d have to be a complete moron to put any stock in Israelis engaging in some kind of mass rape and ethnic cleansing endeavor though lol.[/quote]
I was not calling for these things to be inflicted on anyone slightly different context.
Ethnic cleansing… The Israelis have been engaged in swallowing up Palestinian land in their settlement program since 1967 Israeli settlement timeline - Wikipedia.
Israelis are perfectly good at making their own weapons. America has given money and guns to practically everyone at this point. It’s not bollocks, we’re just desensitized at the ubiquity of it all. If you’re expecting anyone in America to feel personally culpable in any way for any government assistance we provide Israel you’d better not hold your breath lol. Nobody cares.[/quote]
Your tax money is spent on this. Do you not care about how your tax money is spent?
[quote]lou21 wrote:
Ethnic cleansing… The Israelis have been engaged in swallowing up Palestinian land in their settlement program since 1967 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement_timeline[/quote]
Okay, but neither the word ethnic nor the word cleansing appear anywhere on that page.
Show me a chart of the Mexican population in the American southwest hahaha. I can promise you no one here has ever thought that was “ethnic cleansing” and it’s like a billion times to the degree anything Israel does, and what Israel did was also legal.
“grants permanent residency, ID cards, and Israeli citizenship to the residents, but does not formally annex the territory”
Stuff like that. Doesn’t say ethnic cleansing to me.
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
I’m not educated enough on the situation in Israel to comment on it, but I do think it would be amusing to go to a political website’s discussion forum and start a bunch of threads about lifting weights.[/quote]
Well if the political website had a bodybuilding sub-forum this might be fairly reasonable behaviour? This is the “Politics and World Issues” section after all.
As for knowledge about the situation read the Israeli press, the UK press and the wikipedia articles on e.g. the settlement program. Bear in mind that both sides infect the news with some serious propaganda (reference to Israeli propaganda methods here The secret report that helps Israel hide facts | The Independent | The Independent - the Palestinians seem to just rely on dying and getting mistreated to provide theirs).[/quote]
I’m not the internet police, you can post whatever you want as far as I’m concerned. It just strikes me as odd that you have chosen a sub forum of a weight lifting website as headquarters for your crusade to…
Educate meatheads on Israeli transgressions, I guess.
I used to get all worked up about all manner of political topics. Checking out of that world and focusing on the things in my control has done wonders for my personal well-being. Nowadays I just vote independent for national elections and pay a little bit of attention to local politics here in Maine.
Good luck with whatever it is you are trying to do. Maybe you will make the world a better place, one meathead at a time.
Israelis are perfectly good at making their own weapons. America has given money and guns to practically everyone at this point. It’s not bollocks, we’re just desensitized at the ubiquity of it all. If you’re expecting anyone in America to feel personally culpable in any way for any government assistance we provide Israel you’d better not hold your breath lol. Nobody cares.[/quote]
Your tax money is spent on this. Do you not care about how your tax money is spent?[/quote]
My tax money is being spent on literally millions of things that I don’t give a shit about. I’m jaded and cynical. I’ve completely given up on my tax money. To me, tax money is money that I give to the government for them to throw in a pile and burn and in exchange they don’t put me in jail.
If I actually had a say in how my taxes were being spent I would stop giving money to everyone, at least until we took care of our impossibly large debt. I would also phase out social security asap since that’s the stupidest fucking thing ever and could save a massive amount of tax dollars.
But anyway, I feel very little control over any of that.
[quote]lou21 wrote:
Ethnic cleansing… The Israelis have been engaged in swallowing up Palestinian land in their settlement program since 1967 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement_timeline[/quote]
Okay, but neither the word ethnic nor the word cleansing appear anywhere on that page.
Show me a chart of the Mexican population in the American southwest hahaha. I can promise you no one here has ever thought that was “ethnic cleansing” and it’s like a billion times to the degree anything Israel does, and what Israel did was also legal.
“grants permanent residency, ID cards, and Israeli citizenship to the residents, but does not formally annex the territory”
Stuff like that. Doesn’t say ethnic cleansing to me.[/quote]
I’m not sure where you get the idea that what Israel is doing in the West Bank is legal… It very much isn’t.
As for what they are doing there try this video and tell me that it is even comparable to immigration in the USA - YouTube
[quote]lou21 wrote:
Ethnic cleansing… The Israelis have been engaged in swallowing up Palestinian land in their settlement program since 1967 Israeli settlement timeline - Wikipedia
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Okay, but neither the word ethnic nor the word cleansing appear anywhere on that page.
Show me a chart of the Mexican population in the American southwest hahaha. I can promise you no one here has ever thought that was “ethnic cleansing” and it’s like a billion times to the degree anything Israel does, and what Israel did was also legal.
“grants permanent residency, ID cards, and Israeli citizenship to the residents, but does not formally annex the territory”
Stuff like that. Doesn’t say ethnic cleansing to me.[/quote]
I’m not sure where you get the idea that what Israel is doing in the West Bank is legal… It very much isn’t.
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I can concede that what they’re doing on the West Bank right now isn’t all legal, but that’s not on the link you posted is it? So that’s not what we were talking about.
Now I notice you latched on to that point that I wasn’t trying to make in an effort to escape my actual point that there is no ethnic cleansing. Could you kindly go back and address that? Do you see any ethnic cleansing there? Did you get my USA illegal immigrant comparison?
[quote]lou21 wrote:
Ethnic cleansing… The Israelis have been engaged in swallowing up Palestinian land in their settlement program since 1967 Israeli settlement timeline - Wikipedia
[/quote]
Okay, but neither the word ethnic nor the word cleansing appear anywhere on that page.
Show me a chart of the Mexican population in the American southwest hahaha. I can promise you no one here has ever thought that was “ethnic cleansing” and it’s like a billion times to the degree anything Israel does, and what Israel did was also legal.
“grants permanent residency, ID cards, and Israeli citizenship to the residents, but does not formally annex the territory”
Stuff like that. Doesn’t say ethnic cleansing to me.[/quote]
I’m not sure where you get the idea that what Israel is doing in the West Bank is legal… It very much isn’t.
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I can concede that what they’re doing on the West Bank right now isn’t all legal, but that’s not on the link you posted is it? So that’s not what we were talking about.
Now I notice you latched on to that point that I wasn’t trying to make in an effort to escape my actual point that there is no ethnic cleansing. Could you kindly go back and address that? Do you see any ethnic cleansing there? Did you get my USA illegal immigrant comparison?
I don’t want to give you a free pass on that one.[/quote]
Israel has systematically pushed the Palestinians out of their land and brutalised them.
From wikipdia - “Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory with the intent of creating a territory inhabited by people of a homogeneous or pure ethnicity, religion, culture, and history. The forces applied may be various forms of forced migration (deportation, population transfer), as well as mass murder, and intimidation.” (Ethnic cleansing - Wikipedia)
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Someone needs to start launching rockets at lou and we’ll record how he responds.[/quote]
Unlikely that I would ever do what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians… If I ever do then please by all means launch away.[/quote]
You are aware that the Palestinians lost their land in a civil war that they started right? They would have their own country. Immigrating Jews were sold a lot of land by Arab Muslims. There was strife as the Arab Muslims still living in those area’s persecuted the Jews that were there. The UN tried to come up with a compromise. The Palestinians decided they wanted the land back that they sold but instead of buying it they were just going to take it. They went to war and in that war they were soundly trounced. Explain to me again how that is Israel running the Palestinians off of their land?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Someone needs to start launching rockets at lou and we’ll record how he responds.[/quote]
Unlikely that I would ever do what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians… If I ever do then please by all means launch away.[/quote]
You are aware that the Palestinians lost their land in a civil war that they started right? They would have their own country. Immigrating Jews were sold a lot of land by Arab Muslims. There was strife as the Arab Muslims still living in those area’s persecuted the Jews that were there. The UN tried to come up with a compromise. The Palestinians decided they wanted the land back that they sold but instead of buying it they were just going to take it. They went to war and in that war they were soundly trounced. Explain to me again how that is Israel running the Palestinians off of their land? [/quote]
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Someone needs to start launching rockets at lou and we’ll record how he responds.[/quote]
Unlikely that I would ever do what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians… If I ever do then please by all means launch away.[/quote]
You are aware that the Palestinians lost their land in a civil war that they started right? They would have their own country. Immigrating Jews were sold a lot of land by Arab Muslims. There was strife as the Arab Muslims still living in those area’s persecuted the Jews that were there. The UN tried to come up with a compromise. The Palestinians decided they wanted the land back that they sold but instead of buying it they were just going to take it. They went to war and in that war they were soundly trounced. Explain to me again how that is Israel running the Palestinians off of their land? [/quote]
OK that looks like a fairly garbled version of the early history. But I’ve not found many version that aren’t garbled so maybe you are correct.
I was referring to what has happened in the West Bank and Gaza since 1967.
And the thread was started to expose to some of you what the opinions of the Israeli right really are - very similar to the opinions of Hamas really.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Someone needs to start launching rockets at lou and we’ll record how he responds.[/quote]
Unlikely that I would ever do what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians… If I ever do then please by all means launch away.[/quote]
You are aware that the Palestinians lost their land in a civil war that they started right? They would have their own country. Immigrating Jews were sold a lot of land by Arab Muslims. There was strife as the Arab Muslims still living in those area’s persecuted the Jews that were there. The UN tried to come up with a compromise. The Palestinians decided they wanted the land back that they sold but instead of buying it they were just going to take it. They went to war and in that war they were soundly trounced. Explain to me again how that is Israel running the Palestinians off of their land? [/quote]
Lol, where the fuck did you learn this bullshit?[/quote]
The fact that you said that actually makes me feel even more confident in what I said as you haven’t stated a single fact since you arrived.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Someone needs to start launching rockets at lou and we’ll record how he responds.[/quote]
Unlikely that I would ever do what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians… If I ever do then please by all means launch away.[/quote]
You are aware that the Palestinians lost their land in a civil war that they started right? They would have their own country. Immigrating Jews were sold a lot of land by Arab Muslims. There was strife as the Arab Muslims still living in those area’s persecuted the Jews that were there. The UN tried to come up with a compromise. The Palestinians decided they wanted the land back that they sold but instead of buying it they were just going to take it. They went to war and in that war they were soundly trounced. Explain to me again how that is Israel running the Palestinians off of their land? [/quote]
OK that looks like a fairly garbled version of the early history. But I’ve not found many version that aren’t garbled so maybe you are correct.
I was referring to what has happened in the West Bank and Gaza since 1967.
And the thread was started to expose to some of you what the opinions of the Israeli right really are - very similar to the opinions of Hamas really.[/quote]
But you cant cut off at 1967 without losing context. The events of 47 and 48 give all future events context. But then again that might screw with your “They stole the land” point so we cant have that can we.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Someone needs to start launching rockets at lou and we’ll record how he responds.[/quote]
Unlikely that I would ever do what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians… If I ever do then please by all means launch away.[/quote]
You are aware that the Palestinians lost their land in a civil war that they started right? They would have their own country. Immigrating Jews were sold a lot of land by Arab Muslims. There was strife as the Arab Muslims still living in those area’s persecuted the Jews that were there. The UN tried to come up with a compromise. The Palestinians decided they wanted the land back that they sold but instead of buying it they were just going to take it. They went to war and in that war they were soundly trounced. Explain to me again how that is Israel running the Palestinians off of their land? [/quote]
OK that looks like a fairly garbled version of the early history. But I’ve not found many version that aren’t garbled so maybe you are correct.
I was referring to what has happened in the West Bank and Gaza since 1967.
And the thread was started to expose to some of you what the opinions of the Israeli right really are - very similar to the opinions of Hamas really.[/quote]
But you cant cut off at 1967 without losing context. The events of 47 and 48 give all future events context. But then again that might screw with your “They stole the land” point so we cant have that can we.[/quote]
It’s a bit tough in the middle east to get to the “starting point” of anything since they practically haven’t stopped fighting since they’ve existed. But certainly you can’t set an arbitrary cutoff at 1967. That would be like if I threw a punch and got hit back and then claimed that the other guy started the fight so long as you start from just after the moment I threw a punch.
The funny thing that is getting left out is that the people who hurt and torture and rape and kill more “Palestinians” than anyone else are groups like Hamas.
I recently read the book “Son of Hamas” and while it paints a none too bright portrait of Israel, if half the crap he says about Hamas is true, they are nothing but pure evil. Killing off Hamas is good for more than just Israel. Destroying Hamas will most likely save many “Palestinians” too.