Thib's Q&A

Coach,

I’m 22 years old and 5’7 tall. I used to be very athletic in highschool. We had seasonal varsity sports and I was on 3 varsity teams. College came and I wasn’t very active. I’m now down and have been on an exercising routine again. Gym 3 times a week and indoor soccer once a week. Not to mention, I have changed up my diet and have been pretty good with that (4 meals a day. carbs + protein first 2 meals & protein + fats latter two meals; fish oil supplements, protein shake everyday)

5 months ago I was 162 lbs and today I weigh 153lbs and have 19% bf. I have been switching up programs everytime and haven’t been consistent with one work out program. However, I have been doing 20 minutes of abs/core muscles work outs followed by 20 minutes of interval training on the bike after every weights session.

My question is this: Recently I had to see the doctor because I had muscle tension on my lower back and neck. It is a lot better now but I am advised to stay away from exercises like heavy squats (although light squats with my heel elevated is fine), deadlifts, pull ups, standing military press, dips, are not recommended. I feel like these are the core exercises for building strength and fat loss.

I am deciding what work out plan would work best for me and what exercises I can include and could really use your advise. My ultimate goal is to lose bf% to single digits, and build strength. Thank you for any advise you are able to share with me!!

Cheers

M

Hey Coach Thib,
First off congratulations on your wedding!

Q. When you recommend that trainers should not exceed 1 hour per training session does that include post-workout energy systems work?

Many thanks

S-200

HI CT
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Power Clean vs Hang Clean Problem

Thanks to many of your training philosophies I have incorporated several Olympic Lifts into my routine and it really has mad a huge improvement

I have noticed I can power clean much easier than Hang Clean Obviously there is a technique flaw. When I do the Hang Clean it feel as though I dont generate enough speed or extension to get the bar going but can with the power clean. Any ideas?? My gym doesnt have blocks to go off of like you recommend.
Is there some exercises that can help me with this?
Thanks for you help

[quote]amitsapir wrote:
HI CT
is your mail is ok?
I SENT YOU 8 MAILS THE LAST 3 WEEKS
AND YOU DIDENT RESPONE TO ANY!
PLAESE GET BACK TO ME ASAP
AMIT[/quote]

I didn’t receive them, I’ll email you so that you can respond to see if the email is working.

Thib

I make my own pre/post workout shakes.

I weight 192lbs,

both pre and psot workout shakes are simple.

80g whey and 50g dextrose

Just wondering what you think and if you prescribe any peticular ratios.

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
Hey coach Thib, thanks for your answers :-).

I designed a program for my up-coming lean mass phase.

I will be using G-Flux so there is a lot of volume. Could you tell me if this is a decent routine?

G-Flux Training(5-8 hours of exercise per week)

Day 1 AM: Chest
Bench press=3x6-8
Incline Press=3x6-8
Decline Press=3x6-8

Day 1 PM: Chest

Flys=3x12
Cable cross-over=3x10-12
pec deck machine=3x10-12
chest press machine=3x10-12

Day 2: Sprints or 4-6 mile run/jog/walk

Day 3 AM: Back

Dead-Lift=6x6
bent over barbell rowing=3x6 or Pull-ups
One arm DB Row=3x6

Day 3 PM: Back

cable seated rowing=3x10-12
lat pulldown=3x10-12
Straight-arms pulldown=3x10-12
machine lat pulldown=3x10-12

Day 4: Biceps and Triceps(24 hours after last session)

Day 5: Quads

Squat=5x6-20(The rep range will change on how I feel that day)
Leg press=3x12-20
Lunges=3x10-12
Leg Extension=2x12-20

Day6: Shoulders

seated barbell shoulder press=3x10-12
DB Shrugs=3x10-12
Machine shoulder press=3x10-12
Smith Machine Shoulder Press=3x10-12

Day7:off

I will give it a go for at least 12 weeks or until I’m not making progress.

Thib approved? or a total failure?[/quote]

Clearly not Thibs here but…

He does this as a paid service, so zero chance of getting it answered here man. It’s one of the rules, there are few but he has had a policy over the last year of not answering questions revolving exact training routines, repeated questions (easiest way to get black listed).

And for the love of all that is good and holy, if you ever want help from Coach Thibaudeau in the future, never post one of his e-books on another site, offering it for free. He for some reason finds the theft of his work to be a personal insult, crazy eh ?

I suggest posting it in the forums and seeing if somebody with G-Flux experience can toss some ideas your way.

[quote]brmnstl wrote:
Power Clean vs Hang Clean Problem

Thanks to many of your training philosophies I have incorporated several Olympic Lifts into my routine and it really has mad a huge improvement

I have noticed I can power clean much easier than Hang Clean Obviously there is a technique flaw. When I do the Hang Clean it feel as though I dont generate enough speed or extension to get the bar going but can with the power clean. Any ideas?? My gym doesnt have blocks to go off of like you recommend.

Is there some exercises that can help me with this?

Thanks for you help[/quote]

The ‘‘problem’’ is that you lack second pull punch. This means that you can’t accelerate enough from the knees up. The reason why you can power clean more is that you can compensate the lack of second pull acceleration by creating more momentum from the floor.

You need to work on being explosive from a position where the knees are bent a 135 degrees angle.

A good exercise is a jump goodmorning. Use around 50-60% of your hang clean and focus on EXPLOSION.

Hey Thib,

You may have answered this question in your previous Q&A; if so, I apologize. My question is:
Is there really THAT much benefit of using Whey protein Isolate VS 100% Whey around workout time?

Obviously Isolate is digested quicker, but it appears to me that there may be deminishing returns at some point if you’re strapped for cash(considering the difference in price).

Thanks in advance

[quote]Fizor311 wrote:
Hey Thib,
You may have answered this question in your previous Q&A; if so, I apologize. My question is:
Is there really THAT much benefit of using Whey protein Isolate VS 100% Whey around workout time?

Obviously Isolate is digested quicker, but it appears to me that there may be deminishing returns at some point if you’re strapped for cash(considering the difference in price).

Thanks in advance[/quote]

Regular whey also has some advantages, among other things it has several microfaction that boost the immune system while isolate doesn’t.

Whey isolate is faster (hydrolisate is even faster) so it is logical as a first choice for post-workout. However a regular whey isn’t that much worse.

G’day Coach T,

Reasonably quick question - have been doing your Part-time Beast workouts (work and basketball commitments makes it hard to train much) and wanted to know, on workout 4 with the power clean from blocks and the push jerk, I can put in another 10-12 minutes into this workout.

What would you recommend I do with this extra time?

My ideas are add a one arm dumbell snatch before or after the power cleans (not sure with sets/reps), or some other olympic type movement to stay with the theme of the workout (maybe a box jump?) or do some face pulls/other rehab type movement for shoulders, or an ab movement such as cable woodchops or weighted swissball crunches.

Thoughts?

Thanks Coach.

Matt

Coach T,

I’m a rugby player and I’m heading into my offseason. In season weight training was two days a week, pretty low volume, just trying to maintain strength. My goal for the offseason(3.5 months) is to put on 10-15 quality pounds. I’m about 10% bf now at 212.

My plan is to use HSS 100 style for about 8 weeks, accumulation and intensification, and then go into a shoulder/upper back specialization period before I begin my rugby specific preseason weight training.

If one were to hypothetically have 2 weeks worth of MAG-10, at what point in the process I described above would you recommend they use it if mass is the number one priority with shoulder width and upper back thickness a close second?

Thanks CT.

[quote]mstephen2448 wrote:
G’day Coach T,

Reasonably quick question - have been doing your Part-time Beast workouts (work and basketball commitments makes it hard to train much) and wanted to know, on workout 4 with the power clean from blocks and the push jerk, I can put in another 10-12 minutes into this workout.

What would you recommend I do with this extra time?

My ideas are add a one arm dumbell snatch before or after the power cleans (not sure with sets/reps), or some other olympic type movement to stay with the theme of the workout (maybe a box jump?) or do some face pulls/other rehab type movement for shoulders, or an ab movement such as cable woodchops or weighted swissball crunches.

Thoughts?

Thanks Coach.

Matt[/quote]

I’d go with rhomboid, rotator cuff and rear delt work. I don’t hate 1 hand DB snatch or you can also use DB swings.

Hello.

My question is about a friend of mine who is a female and cant do pull ups. She cant seem to get her chin above the bar. she gets to the point where she is right underneath. I was wondering what she needs to strengthen to get past this sticking point?

thank you.

Coach, I don’t know what is it but the post-workout shake consisting of about 60grs of whey and as little as 10 of glutamine, really kicks my ass. No glycine. I get some hypoglycemia type symptoms.

Can I do away with just the whey or is the glutamine really necessary for that glycogen replenishment during low-carb diets?

Thib,

I work the graveyard shift in a hospital (12 a.m. - 8 a.m.). Do you have any tips for mitigating adrenal stress and alterations in cortisol production caused by this chronic disturbance to my circadian rhythm? I wish that I could get a different schedule, but this will be my lot for the foreseeable future.

CT,

During the concentric phase of lifts, generally speaking, motor units are recruited from largest to smallest as needed and when rate coding of various MU’s can no longer increase, more MU’s are recruited for the task. IS the recruitment pattern for the eccentric phase different, and if so, in what ways?

Hello Christian,

iam a recreational cyclist that wants to train seriously. Also i train already for years with weights.

Now i want to improve my cycling i have to become leaner (and lighter). How can i find a good balance between those two i.m.o. conflicting sports.

Whats your opinion?

[quote]AtleticoMadrid wrote:
CT,

During the concentric phase of lifts, generally speaking, motor units are recruited from largest to smallest as needed and when rate coding of various MU’s can no longer increase, more MU’s are recruited for the task. IS the recruitment pattern for the eccentric phase different, and if so, in what ways? [/quote]

First, that is not the recruitment pattern during concentric movements.

The smallest (weaker more enduring) motor units are recruited first … if the amount of force required is too high for these fibers (either because the load is heavy or that fatigue starts to set in) the body will recruit larger, stronger fibers.

During eccentric (and electrostimulation) the recruitment pattern is reversed, with the fast-twitch/stronger fibers being recruited first.

Here is a little something from my second book ‘‘Theory and Application of Modern Strength and Power Methods’’

Why is eccentric training effective?

Eccentric training allows one to stimulate greater strength and size gains than pure concentric training. Why is that? There are five major reasons why:

  1. There is a greater neural adaptation to eccentric training than to concentric training (Hortobagyi et al. 1996).

  2. There is a more important force output produced during a maximal eccentric action (greater overload) because you can use a higher external load (Colliander and Tesch 1990).

  3. There is a higher level of stress per motor unit during eccentric work. Less motor units are recruited during the eccentric portion of a movement, thus each of the recruited motor units receives much more stimulation (Grabiner and Owings 2002; Linnamo et al. 2002). Furthermore, since the nervous systems seems to recruit less motor units during a maximal eccentric action, the potential for improvement could be greater than with maximal concentric action.

  4. There is some evidence that maximal eccentric actions will preferably recruit fast-twitch muscle fibers, which are more responsive to muscle growth and strengthening (Nardone et al. 1989, Howell et al. 1995, Hortobagyi et al. 1996). In fact, eccentric training may stimulate an evolution towards a faster contractile profile (Martin et al. 1995).

  5. Most of the micro-trauma to the muscle cells incurred during training is a result of the eccentric action (Brown et al. 1997, Gibala et al. 2000). It has been established that this micro-trauma acts as the signal to start the muscle adaptation process (Clarke and Feedback, 1996).

  6. Greater cross-education (Hortobagyi and Lambert 1997). Cross-education refers to transfer of strength gains from one limb-side to the other. In practical terms it means that if you were to work only your right arm using eccentric actions, some of the strength gains would transfer to the left arm. This can be very beneficial to prevent excessive strength loss if one limb is immobilized.

  7. Eccentric training is also a superior method to treat tendinosis when compared with concentric exercise (Mafi et al. 2001). So it could be argued that this form of training is adequate for use by injured athletes and that it is relatively safer than concentric training even if the loads used are greater.

  8. A last point of interest is that strength gains from eccentric training are maintained longer during a period of detraining than the gains from concentric-only training (Collinder and Tesch 1992, Housh et al. 1996), which may be very important for athletes who cannot train as much during the season as they can in the off-season.

And from the same book, some info on electrostimulation and fiber recruitment:

Preferential recruitment of fast-twitch fibers

During voluntary contractions motor recruitment is done according to a rigid pattern known as the ?size principle? or the ?Henneman law.? According to this principle, the smallest motor units (slow twitch), which have the lowest recruitment threshold, are activated first. As the demand on the muscle increases, the bigger motor units (fast twitch), which have a higher recruitment threshold, are brought into play. This pattern doesn?t change except for a few noted exceptions (maximal eccentrics for example).

With EMS there is an inverted recruitment pattern. This means that the bigger motor units are actually recruited first. Why? There are three reasons:

  1. Because EMS works the following way: The electric current stimulates the nerve cells (and not the muscle fibers themselves as it is believed by some), which then innervate the motor units. Without going into too much physiology, motor units with bigger axons are more responsive to an external current; bigger axons are more excitable (Blair and Erlanger, 1933; Solomonow, 1984). Fast twitch motor units have been shown to have larger axons; the bigger the axon is, the more likely it is part of a fast-twitch motor unit. So understandably, EMS will preferentially recruit the bigger, fast-twitch motor units first (Solomonow, 1984; Enoka, 1988; Duchateau and Hainaut, 1988)

  2. EMS has also been shown to preferentially recruit superficial (closer to the skin surface) motor units over deeper motor units (Beulke, 1978). Snyder-Macier et al. (1993) have established that fast-twitch motor units have a tendency to be closer to the surface. So, since EMS works best on superficial muscle fibers, this also explains the preferential fast-twitch recruitment pattern.

  3. Stimulation of the cutaneous receptors (skin receptors) tends to increase the recruitment of fast-twitch fibers over slow-twitch fibers (Garnett and Stephens, 1981; Kanda and Desmedt, 1983). Since the electrode is placed on the skin and the electric current must go through the skin, this could also increase fast-twitch motor unit activation.

On top of the direct evidence supporting the preferential activation of fast-twitch fibers/motor units by EMS, we have some indirect evidence as well, provided by a recent study.

Maffiuletti et al. (2000) found that EMS training significantly increased eccentric strength and high-speed concentric strength, but not slow-speed concentric strength. We know that during maximal eccentric efforts the fast-twitch muscle fibers play a bigger role, and that high-speed concentric strength is highly dependent on fast-twitch fiber capacities. These results are thus highly indicative of a preferential fast-twitch recruitment pattern with EMS training.

Preferential recruitment of the fast-twitch fibers is very interesting for athletes. We know that under normal circumstances it is very hard to stimulate these fibers. The training means required to do so (maximal eccentrics, intense plyometrics) can often be extremely taxing on the CNS and joints. Because of this, EMS appears to be a good supplementary tool for the athlete. EMS enables the athlete to reduce his volume of maximal training (but not eliminate it) while still getting the same (if not superior) training effect.

[quote]DeadlySting81 wrote:
Thib,

I work the graveyard shift in a hospital (12 a.m. - 8 a.m.). Do you have any tips for mitigating adrenal stress and alterations in cortisol production caused by this chronic disturbance to my circadian rhythm? I wish that I could get a different schedule, but this will be my lot for the foreseeable future.[/quote]

Once your body is adjusted to the schedule your hormonal production should change so that you’ll have a normal cortisol curve.

In the meantime I recommend:

Upon waking up:
2 tablets licorice supreme (www.charlespoliquin.net)
1 tablet panthetine supreme

At the beginning of your shift:
2 tablets licorice surpreme
1 tablet panthetine

At the end of your shift
400-500g phosphatidylserine
5-10g glycine

1 hour before bed:
400-500g phosphatidylserine
5-10g glycine