Thib Results: Poliquin's Insulin Protocol

Hello CT,

Is that protocall only for someone who is cutting or is it for anyone who has sinsulin resistance ???

You have GOT to be kidding me!

INCREDIBLE. Absolutely unHEARD of!

Has anyone said anything about a “leaner” back? Since you can’t really observe it’s leaness yourself? Feathered lats? Strutted christmas tree?

What’s an “optimal” subscap measurement for someone with a history of insulin resistance? When will you be satisfied with the measurement?

[quote]Corkonian wrote:
Hello CT,

Is that protocall only for someone who is cutting or is it for anyone who has sinsulin resistance ???[/quote]

The biosignature system is first an foremost designed to rebalance your hormonal, digestive and nervous systems. It simply makes it easier to reach your goal. I will enhance the speed of fat loss and make the whole process physiologicaly and psychologicaly easier.

If you are trying to gain size, it will make it more effective too.

[quote]GrabAKimber wrote:
You have GOT to be kidding me!

INCREDIBLE. Absolutely unHEARD of!

Has anyone said anything about a “leaner” back? Since you can’t really observe it’s leaness yourself? Feathered lats? Strutted christmas tree?

What’s an “optimal” subscap measurement for someone with a history of insulin resistance? When will you be satisfied with the measurement?
[/quote]

It’s not about the measurement per se, but rather a ratio between various sites. Technically 9mm is a low reading, but it is the ratio between this 9mm and a few other sites that indicate insulin resistance.

[quote]GrabAKimber wrote:
You have GOT to be kidding me!

INCREDIBLE. Absolutely unHEARD of!

Has anyone said anything about a “leaner” back? Since you can’t really observe it’s leaness yourself? Feathered lats? Strutted christmas tree?

[/quote]

The trainer who did my measurements (a very good friend of mine who works with a lot of bodybuilders and figure competitors) could not believe it. He never saw such fast changes.

However the battle is not over 9mm is still high for a bodybuilding-level conditioning. To be in stage shape, every measurement must be at 3mm or less (skin thickness via this measure normally accounts for 1.5 - 2mm).

Coach,
I am thinking about mimicking your supplement regime along with a low carb diet as I seem to have some stubborn fat around the love handle area. I currently will take 20-30 grams of BCAAs periworkout, should I stop doing this during this protocool? I have heard that BCAAs can lead to a massive insulin rush, but they do seem to work wonders…

[quote]snowman19 wrote:
Coach,
I am thinking about mimicking your supplement regime along with a low carb diet as I seem to have some stubborn fat around the love handle area. I currently will take 20-30 grams of BCAAs periworkout, should I stop doing this during this protocool? I have heard that BCAAs can lead to a massive insulin rush, but they do seem to work wonders…[/quote]

No, during your workout you can take them. In fact it’s a good idea. Don’t take any during the rest of the day though.

Wow, thats very impressive. I have noticed myself, and have heard other authors (JB comes to mind) say that the body “remembers” or “gets better at” getting lean each time you do it, so a drop in body fat like that doesnt seem too unreasonable if you provide it what it needs in the form of an optimal hormone profile.

I have noticed myself that after getting into fairly decent shape:

1 - It is easier to maintain leanness
2 - a 4 week “cut” is much more effective than it was previously

I have never been bone-dry shredded before, but I imagine that if I did it might be easier each time, especially armed with this kind of information.

Also, the impedance for science is always observation, so while Poliquin might not have studies to back him up the reason people perform studies is because they have observed something several times and want to confirm it.

I look forward to the newest set of Thib pics. Should be interesting.

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Wow, thats very impressive. I have noticed myself, and have heard other authors (JB comes to mind) say that the body “remembers” or “gets better at” getting lean each time you do it, so a drop in body fat like that doesnt seem too unreasonable if you provide it what it needs in the form of an optimal hormone profile.

I have noticed myself that after getting into fairly decent shape:

1 - It is easier to maintain leanness
2 - a 4 week “cut” is much more effective than it was previously

I have never been bone-dry shredded before, but I imagine that if I did it might be easier each time, especially armed with this kind of information.

Also, the impedance for science is always observation, so while Poliquin might not have studies to back him up the reason people perform studies is because they have observed something several times and want to confirm it.

I look forward to the newest set of Thib pics. Should be interesting.[/quote]

The first ‘‘cut’’ is always the hardest. The first time I had to diet for 6 months to go from 18% down to 8%… then second time I dieted 5 months to get from 14% down to 6% … the third time I dieted also for 5 months to drop down from 10-12% to contest shape (around 2-3% subcutaneous) BUT I overdieted by around 4-6 weeks so I would have had the same results with 3 1/2 months of dieting.

Now it took me 2 1/2 weeks to lose 5% of bodyfat!!!

But you know what, coach Poliquin was almost a downer… he told me that while good, my results were not outside of the norms with his protocol. And I believe it. One of my friends went from 16% down to 7% in 6 weeks. Another one just got started on his protocol and lost 2% in his first week (and he had been dieting for 5 weeks before that!).

Your results are INSANE! I can’t wait to see the pics.

[quote]TRU76 wrote:
Your results are INSANE! I can’t wait to see the pics. [/quote]

Thanks for the good words… I need them since coach Poliquin just told me that some of his NFL players lose up to 25lbs of fat and gain close to the same amount of muscle in 6 weeks on the same protocol!!!

He recommended that I add his DIM product and his upcoming calcium-d-glucarate product.

[quote]TRU76 wrote:
Your results are INSANE! I can’t wait to see the pics. [/quote]

Thanks … but I’m still humbled by the results that Charles is getting with NFL players using this protocol!

HOLY CRAP !
I just saw your results now for week 3 !!!
Shit dude you must be leaping and bounding around the place in happiness !
Congratulations and to think you used to be overweight !

I PRESUME this has put paid to ANY lingering doubts about competing, you deserve 1st place without a doubt unless phil or dex turns up !
Again well bloody done

[quote]Corkonian wrote:
HOLY CRAP !

I PRESUME this has put paid to ANY lingering doubts about competing, [/quote]

Actually it doesn’t. The two most important reasons why I might not compete are:

  1. I’m getting married a few weeks after the contest. It’s not fair to my GF to be focused on something other than our wedding.

  2. I don’t like competing. I like everything about bodybuilding EXCEPT the actual competition day, which is hell on heart and basically sucks… at least for me.

How’s your mood and energy levels on such a low bodyfat?

I noticed that you had recently hit a PR of 405 on the incline press (I believe) so it can be said that your strength levels are fine, but what about the aforementioned things?

Coach, I remember you recently said you didn’t feel a need for DIM. So i was just wondering…why does Coach Poliquin want you to use it? Did he say?

Hello Coach,
Any chance you could say how many bottles of each it requires for 6 weeks … if your allowed that is.
Most of the stuff is out of stock so lots of people seem to have ran straight to the store or something after seeing this :slight_smile:
Also, would this be the one way in which a person could LOSE fat and GAIN muscle in one go ???

[quote]Corkonian wrote:
Hello Coach,
Any chance you could say how many bottles of each it requires for 6 weeks … if your allowed that is.
Most of the stuff is out of stock so lots of people seem to have ran straight to the store or something after seeing this :)[/quote]

Charles told me that they will be stocked again next week.

I have no idea about how many bottles of each for 6 weeks. Probably 2 bottles of fenuplex, 3 of insulinomics, 1 of HCL

[quote]Corkonian wrote:
Also, would this be the one way in which a person could LOSE fat and GAIN muscle in one go ??? [/quote]

Understand that under any circumstances gaining a significant amount of muscle while losing a significant amount of fat is incredibly difficult. I’m not saying that it is impossible, but it’s extremely hard. Losing a bit of fat while gaining a small amount of muscle is possible, but this is not always optimal.

That having been said, an optimal diet and supplement protocol can help achieve the almost impossible, but it’s not magic.

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Coach, I remember you recently said you didn’t feel a need for DIM. So i was just wondering…why does Coach Poliquin want you to use it? Did he say?[/quote]

At first glance I didn’t think that I needed it because my main triceps, quads and chest were so low. But Charles told me that the ratio of Triceps to Chest is a bit high (even if we are talking about minute amounts) and my hamstring site is too high.

DIM is not really an anti-estrogen though. It just improves estrogen metabolism… it decreases the level of bad estrogens and increase the level of good estrogens.

Christian, how would dim affect a girl on the pill if you know? would it disrupt it?

regards