[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Regarding Biosignature in general…I look back from times where I was at the same bf% (taken with a 3-point test) and I notice a few things
-Just from 6 weeks ago with lower bf% I have slightly lower thigh skinfolds but chest and abs are 2+mm higher, why would I just gain there and not in my thighs? I did start doing more HIIT since there and really seemed to notice a difference in thigh skinfolds when doing that but I’m not sure
-From about a year ago, and the same bf%, my thigh skinfolds are about what they’re at now but instead of chest being significantly higher than abs (17 vs. 14mm now) my abdominal skinfold was higher than chest (15.5 chest and 17 for abs). Why would the area of fat shift like that?
If it helps I’ve recently started an AD-style diet and most of the fat gain has seemed to be in the lower abdominal area and chest (chest even more so according to calipers)
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The three-site formula sucks, any body measure from it is to be taken with a grain of salt.
Are you measuring yourself? The three sites measures is the one generally used by the accumesure caliper (VERY VERY cheap and not reliable). For some off reason many people buy that cheap stuff and measure themselves because it uses the chest, biceps and quad sites, which can be measured by yourself since they are within reach.
First these calipers (electronic one especially) is total crap. Second is that you can’t get a reliable measure if you do it yourself.
If a trainer is measuring you… was it the same trainer who did it both times? Nobody measures exactly the same way… an even a very slight position change in the measured site can lead to differences. So if two different trainers took your measures OR if the trainer doesn’t have much experience I would expect unreliable and unstable measures.
Since your chest, abs and quads are all in the 14-18mm range I would expect most of the other sites (beside triceps… hopefully, and face) to be in that same range. This tells me that you are fat and shouldn’t worry about minute details like you are now. Get on a good program, a solid diet and some energy system work. When most of your sites are below 10mm you can begin to maybe think about fine tuning everything.
Fat is lost is two stages:
STAGE 1 - With a plow truck (losing the most your fat)
STAGE 2 - With a small spoon (losing fat in those last stubborn areas)
Are you self-assessing or do you have someone measuring you?
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I take the measurements myself, I have been for about 2 years now.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
The three-site formula sucks, any body measure from it is to be taken with a grain of salt.
Are you measuring yourself? The three sites measures is the one generally used by the accumesure caliper (VERY VERY cheap and not reliable). For some off reason many people buy that cheap stuff and measure themselves because it uses the chest, biceps and quad sites, which can be measured by yourself since they are within reach.
First these calipers (electronic one especially) is total crap. Second is that you can’t get a reliable measure if you do it yourself.
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I do have the accumeasure ones (Manual not the electric which was terrible), measuring at chest, abdominal, and thigh. Why are these unreliable? They seem pretty straight forward, what would you recommend?
As I mentioned I do measure it by myself as that is the only option, especially if I’m doing it more than once a month or so. I’ve heard doing it yourself can be inaccurate but would it not at least be consistent as a measure of progress?
Hm well I’m not “fat” lol…still pretty skinny unfortunately (but I suppose could go in the skinny-fat category). Mainly I was wondering why where the higher skinfolds were would change and be different on a consistent basis (As in for months at a time back then abs were the higher measurements and now chest is consistently higher)…thought it was possible a hormone thing since I can’t think of why else that would happen.
[quote]agent9041 wrote:
I got some blood work done a while ago, and also found my free test was on the low end. Thibs recommended, and I quote: “Eurcoma longifolia (tongkat ali), avena sativa and horny goat weeds are all herbs that than help slightly.”[/quote]
Thanks for this, i remember reading this also. I have tried to gather names of the herbs that could help but here in Finland it is almost hopeless to get something like that. I would order from US but i think the customs here would take the supps and take more money from me.
I wasn’t hoping for a biosignature analysis here but some general advice from where to begin. Anyway, many thanks for the coach for his contribution here!
I take the measurements myself, I have been for about 2 years now. [/quote]
That just doesn’t cut it. I know you may think that since you are measuring yourself it would at least be a good measure of progress (e.g. if you are 3mm off, at least you are always 3mm off) but it is not. I takes so little movement and stuff like that to get precise measure that your margin of error would change from time to time. It really is unreliable. Every site has to be take not only at a specific spot but also (ad more importantly in your case) with a specific angle and caliper position. Just by slightly changing my wrist position I can get as much as a 4mm difference.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
I do have the accumeasure ones (Manual not the electric which was terrible), measuring at chest, abdominal, and thigh. Why are these unreliable? They seem pretty straight forward, what would you recommend?[/quote]
TOTAL CRAP!!! And that is being gentle. The spring is so cheap that the calipers actually lose precision every time you take a fold and stretch the spring. It maybe take 10-15 measurements to make a significant difference but the fact remains is that those cheap sprints become as precise as guessing after a few uses.
The only caliper that is worth the money are stay precise are the Harpenden ones, but they will cost you over 500$.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Hm well I’m not “fat” lol…still pretty skinny unfortunately (but I suppose could go in the skinny-fat category).[/quote]
Maybe not according to ‘general population fatness evaluation’, but by athletic (and even more so bodybuilding) standards, yes you are.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Mainly I was wondering why where the higher skinfolds were would change and be different on a consistent basis (As in for months at a time back then abs were the higher measurements and now chest is consistently higher)…thought it was possible a hormone thing since I can’t think of why else that would happen.
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My diagnostic would simply be unreliable measures.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
TOTAL CRAP!!! And that is being gentle. The spring is so cheap that the calipers actually lose precision every time you take a fold and stretch the spring. It maybe take 10-15 measurements to make a significant difference but the fact remains is that those cheap sprints become as precise as guessing after a few uses.
The only caliper that is worth the money are stay precise are the Harpenden ones, but they will cost you over 500$.
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OK so if the accumeasure ones are crap and good ones cost $500 and need someone to be used, what do you suggest for the average Joe to properly track progress? Just using the mirror?
Hm, seems odd since it was continuously like that but oh well.
OK so if the accumeasure ones are crap and good ones cost $500 and need someone to be used, what do you suggest for the average Joe to properly track progress? Just using the mirror?
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I’m sure that there is a trainer at your gym that does it. If you make a deal I’m pretty that you can get weekly measuring for not too expensive.
OK so if the accumeasure ones are crap and good ones cost $500 and need someone to be used, what do you suggest for the average Joe to properly track progress? Just using the mirror?
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I’m sure that there is a trainer at your gym that does it. If you make a deal I’m pretty that you can get weekly measuring for not too expensive.[/quote]
At my old gym there were a few trainers but when I had my body fat tested (years ago) 2 different trainers did 2 different methods. One gave me that crappy hand held electronic tester and the other basically hooked me up to some wires lol.
Now I’m at college, so no there’s not really anyone to do it.
OK so if the accumeasure ones are crap and good ones cost $500 and need someone to be used, what do you suggest for the average Joe to properly track progress? Just using the mirror?
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I’m sure that there is a trainer at your gym that does it. If you make a deal I’m pretty that you can get weekly measuring for not too expensive.[/quote]
Is there anything wrong with just using a tape measure and going by your waistline? I assume if your gaining a significant amount of fat it will increase and likewise will decrease if you’re losing fat right? Not completely accurate as far as knowing exactly how much of each, but as a measure of progress?
STAGE 1 - With a plow truck (losing the most your fat)
STAGE 2 - With a small spoon (losing fat in those last stubborn areas)
This is so true…
Nicely put [/quote]
So the only people who should really use this protocol are those who are already lean and just want to get to very low bf% (i.e. someone who wants to lose 20 pounds should hold off? or would this help the significantly over weight as well? thank you
[quote]RebelSell wrote:
do you take the fenuplex with your post workout shake? (this i found recommended in the subscriber articles on his site) [/quote]
Yes, I take Fenuplex and Insulinomics every time nutrients enter my mouth! I think that they are especially important with the post-workout meal since this is the only one where I have carbs.
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Thibs, I know this thread is an oldie (but goodie)… but… I have a question regarding taking Funuplex and Insulinmoics post workout. Since post workout (on a low carb diet) is the only time one be taking in carbs (maybe some peri-workout I understand), wouldn’t it make sense NOT to do the insulin protocol at this time because we’d like to spike insulin during that post workout time period and pick up the protocol on the meal following the post workout shake? Thanks for your time!
[quote]RebelSell wrote:
do you take the fenuplex with your post workout shake? (this i found recommended in the subscriber articles on his site) [/quote]
Yes, I take Fenuplex and Insulinomics every time nutrients enter my mouth! I think that they are especially important with the post-workout meal since this is the only one where I have carbs.
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Thibs, I know this thread is an oldie (but goodie)… but… I have a question regarding taking Funuplex and Insulinmoics post workout. Since post workout (on a low carb diet) is the only time one be taking in carbs (maybe some peri-workout I understand), wouldn’t it make sense NOT to do the insulin protocol at this time because we’d like to spike insulin during that post workout time period and pick up the protocol on the meal following the post workout shake? Thanks for your time!
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Hi, I just got the goodies to do this and read every page (ye ye)
He said “Take them ESPECIALLY when you consume carbs”