Thib Q&A no.6

Coach Thibaudeau,

I very much understand that nutrition is crucial to maximizing gains in the weight room, so I want to be clear from the get-go that I am not disputing that training with the ANACONDA protocol would be the most optimal route.

What I would like to know is what kind of gains should I expect without it? I am a strength & conditioning coach at the collegiate level, and the products recommended are not legal from an NCAA standpoint. For some sports, random drug testing can take place even in the summer/winter breaks from school, so there is no window for ā€œillegalā€ supplementation even outside of official training periods.

I am currently trying out and reading through the I, Bodybuilder phases, and I am really liking what I see. The pre-activation, ramping and force outputs are right down my alley as far as athletic benefits, and the potential for building mass is an even greater bonus.

What should I recommend to my athletes in lieu of your recommended products? What, if anything, is an acceptable substitute?

[quote]l-bomb10 wrote:
Coach Thibaudeau,

I very much understand that nutrition is crucial to maximizing gains in the weight room, so I want to be clear from the get-go that I am not disputing that training with the ANACONDA protocol would be the most optimal route.

What I would like to know is what kind of gains should I expect without it? I am a strength & conditioning coach at the collegiate level, and the products recommended are not legal from an NCAA standpoint. For some sports, random drug testing can take place even in the summer/winter breaks from school, so there is no window for ā€œillegalā€ supplementation even outside of official training periods.

I am currently trying out and reading through the I, Bodybuilder phases, and I am really liking what I see. The pre-activation, ramping and force outputs are right down my alley as far as athletic benefits, and the potential for building mass is an even greater bonus.

What should I recommend to my athletes in lieu of your recommended products? What, if anything, is an acceptable substitute?

[/quote]

If you don’t mind me askiing, what in the protocol is actually in the banned list? MAG-10 is just protein, citrulline and leucine - I don’t see how any of those things would elicit a positive drug test? Or the electrolytes, beta alanine and creatine in Anaconda? Or the carbs in Surge?

CT, I am training for strength/power, and strength endurance, and dont have any body composition goals right now. My training is very similar to your War Room Strategies for Destroying Fat program, except my goal is to improve these qualities and not necesarily lose fat.

If the goal is performance, would you group the strength days, complex days, and alactic work to be on consecutive days in the week?

(Ex:
Mon Strength and Core
Tue Strength and Core
Wed Off
Thu Complexes then Row Machine
Fri Complexes then Jog a mile
Sat Off
Sun Sprints/Parkour/Rock Climbing/Gymnastics
)

[quote]bigjoey wrote:

If you don’t mind me askiing, what in the protocol is actually in the banned list? MAG-10 is just protein, citrulline and leucine - I don’t see how any of those things would elicit a positive drug test? Or the electrolytes, beta alanine and creatine in Anaconda? Or the carbs in Surge?
[/quote]

I have struggled to find where the bottle lables are on the website, but from what I can gather, the quantaties of said proteins would probably be the main issue. Anything with 30g per serving or more is banned by the NCAA, at least as to what we are allowed to buy for and give our athletes. There is no test that could say they were taking in too much protein if they bought it themselves, but I want to err on the side of caution until I order a few of the products for myself and test 'em out.

My main question was what kind of results I could expect doing the workout without the recommended ANACONDA protocol. After reading through the workout, it’s solid, and seems like anyone could make improvements doing it - I’m curious as to how much.

I dont use the Anaconda protocol right now and follow the HP mass program but have used the Anaconda protocol with the program in the past before, You will still get results but it will be at a slower rate than if you were on the protocol because the program is based around not only the workload but the nutrition specifically the peri workout nutrition as well. The program WORKS and extremely well at that but its not quite the same without the protocol in term of fast results. I had to stop it due to financial reasons but will start the protocol again soon myself.

hi coach, I have two questions:

  • I am very fast twitched and I train with using the perfect rep which works quite well for me. I just can’t lose the feeling that I should train a bit differently than others who don’t have so many fast twitch fibers. Is there anything I could consider to make even better gains (rest intervals, intensitivity techniques, higher volume…?)?

  • are jump squats in the perfect rep style useful when my goal is muscle mass?

Thanks!

[quote]jaMiii wrote:
hi coach, I have two questions:

  • I am very fast twitched and I train with using the perfect rep which works quite well for me. I just can’t lose the feeling that I should train a bit differently than others who don’t have so many fast twitch fibers. Is there anything I could consider to make even better gains (rest intervals, intensitivity techniques, higher volume…?)?

  • are jump squats in the perfect rep style useful when my goal is muscle mass?

Thanks![/quote]

Jamill,

The whole point of the jump squats is to, essentially, ā€œturn onā€ your neuromuscular system; preparing your body to recruit as many muscle fibers as possible for the next exercise, where the potential for hypertrophy takes place. If you truly are so extra-special fast-twitch, the jump squats in the program are even more important for you than the average-to-below-average blend of fast and slow-twitch fibers. If anything, ADDING jump squats in as pre-activation on the max force day would probably benefit you (I’m not saying you do that - follow the program to the letter and judge results before you make changes the second time. Also, unless you are in phenomenal shape, you risk over-working the CNS since CT seems to have very carefully laid out a lot of activation in this plan already).

CT
Regarding the SUPERHERO PROGRAM, the deadlift complex and the squat complex, in written text, suggests doing a clean and a snatch on the SPEED-STRENGTH exercise. However, in the video your subject does cleans for both complexes. So can you do cleans for the SPEED-STRENGTH on back-to-back workouts.

Metabolik99

dear
first apologize for my English.
I am a Spanish coach, only tell you it’s a shame that can not meet you in person by now but I’m all yours studies that come to my hands. It hurts to be little information.

A question to the larger.

I have a client of 45 years who has the strength of a girl of 10.
which you think is the best way to get some results?
I am sending partieno multiartuculares of five repetitions of zero and is gaining but slowly.

a greeting from Spain to number one, I wish I could get the videos of Indigo project but I can not.

[quote]l-bomb10 wrote:

[quote]bigjoey wrote:

If you don’t mind me askiing, what in the protocol is actually in the banned list? MAG-10 is just protein, citrulline and leucine - I don’t see how any of those things would elicit a positive drug test? Or the electrolytes, beta alanine and creatine in Anaconda? Or the carbs in Surge?
[/quote]

I have struggled to find where the bottle lables are on the website, but from what I can gather, the quantaties of said proteins would probably be the main issue. Anything with 30g per serving or more is banned by the NCAA, at least as to what we are allowed to buy for and give our athletes. There is no test that could say they were taking in too much protein if they bought it themselves, but I want to err on the side of caution until I order a few of the products for myself and test 'em out.

My main question was what kind of results I could expect doing the workout without the recommended ANACONDA protocol. After reading through the workout, it’s solid, and seems like anyone could make improvements doing it - I’m curious as to how much.[/quote]

This is not an issue. As someone who has to oversee hundreds of athletes at the D1 level, I can assuredly tell you that Anaconda has nothing in it that would result in a discrepency with WADA, IOC, or the NCAA.

Hi Coach,

I’m 42 and 242 at 6’2" down from a weak 340+ less than 3-4 years ago. I’ve made amazing gains using your 6 weeks to superhero protocol, but I’m struggling with eating enough (or guilt for eating too much) to build muscle versus cutting cals to win the battle of the bulge I face around my midsection, much of which I attribute to lose skin and resistant pockets of fat left from my unhealthy past.

I’m currently 23-25% bogyfat (according to my 30 buck scale), which seems to be localized around my gut. At any rate, what routine would you recommend I follow at the completion of 6 weeks to superhuman to continue to eliminate the resistant fat around my belly, while still building strength and muscle?

Thanks for everything.

Hello, I`m 19 and started about 2 months ago .
It seems I have injured my right shoulder most certainly due to dumbell press . So now it hurts when i do either dumbell press or flies . Appp with a physio is some time later this week .

I focus on squats , deadlifts just like rippletoe workout . My form is correct according to the gym trainer and even my legs and back feel tight .But Im afraid cause I cant do BP and this will leave my chest behind in development . Is there anything I can do about it ? an effective alternative to BP ?

thank you!

27 years old. I’ve been trying to train MMA for the last three months. I want to be in there 3 or 4 hours a day but the workouts take forever to recover from. an hour on the mat will take 3 or 4 days to recover from and a few light sets of squats will take a week for the DOMS to go away. I can tell my cortisol levels are elevated; not just by my bodyfat (20%, most in the back and abdomen) but other symptoms (bruising easily, acne, hair like straw, insomnia).

What’s a good, powerful combination of sups to combat cortisol?

CT,

Over the last 2 yrs I’ve gotten out of shape, having 2 kids, eating like shit, and not training as much will do that to you I suppose. I’m 6 feet and currently 195 lbs. When I’m in good shape I’m normally in the 175-180lbs range which is what I’d like to get back to.

With 2 kids and a wife who works nights I’m on a very set schedule. I will be waking up M-F at 5:15 am and be at the gym for 6:15 am. On M-W-F I will be teaching/training Muay thai & Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. So the only days I have for strength & conditioning are Tue & Thurs.

I was planning on using Defrancos WS4SB protocol using the heavy upper body on tue & heavy lower body on thursday. In addition I’d do a half hour of cardio.

I recently came across your six weeks to superman, but it’s a 4 day program. Is there a way I could pare it down to 2 days and still get maximal results? I want to make a body transformation back to fit so please let me know what would be the best protocol for me to follow on the 2 days I have for lifting.

Appreciate the help.

Stan

Hello TB. I am preparing for another powerlifting meet. I want to increase my total poundage for my lifts. Currently my bench press is 148 kg, my squat is 153 kg, and my deadlift is 188 kg. Obviously, my squat sucks but I want to increase the other two lifts as well by at least 7 0r 8 kgs by March 31, 2012. How would you suggest I schedule my training routine? I was thinking prioritize a day of squat/qudriceps emphasis day early in the week then three or four days later a deadlift emphasis day. Then schedule a power emphasis day for bench press/pushing muscles after squat day. Then two or three days later a max bench press/pulling muscles. Would that suffice? Thanks for your advice.

Mr. Thibaudeau
Do you still follow the ā€œPulse Feastā€ diet?

I am very interested in trying it but was wondering if your still doing it, or if you recommend a different plan.

Thanks!

[quote]skiscuba wrote:
Mr. Thibaudeau
Do you still follow the ā€œPulse Feastā€ diet?

I am very interested in trying it but was wondering if your still doing it, or if you recommend a different plan.

Thanks![/quote]

He dos, but mor for the reason that with his current training style includes a lot of ring work and has been adding on muscle on him pretty rapidly and uses the pulse feast as a means of controlling his weight.

the pulse feast is great if it fits your eating pattern where you can go without eating and often binge when you do eat. And of course if your willing to buy MAG-10 and not try and makeshift it.

CT

I am a Kinesiology major at LSU and have been personal training for about 3 years. I graduate in May and will begin training full time, but I would love to do something like an internship under you or one of your peers youd recommend this summer or fall to gain as much knowledge as I can before starting a career in fitness. Do you offer anything like this?

I am a huge fan and have already learned a lot from your articles and videos. Thanks and keep em coming.

CT:

how taxing is a snatch DL on 4-6 inch box (deficit) compared to regular DL on the nervous system? Was thinking of doing that as one of my movements for HP pressing. My mobility seems good for it (have been testing it out)

[quote]kjmont wrote:

[quote]skiscuba wrote:
Mr. Thibaudeau
Do you still follow the ā€œPulse Feastā€ diet?

I am very interested in trying it but was wondering if your still doing it, or if you recommend a different plan.

Thanks![/quote]

He dos, but mor for the reason that with his current training style includes a lot of ring work and has been adding on muscle on him pretty rapidly and uses the pulse feast as a means of controlling his weight.

the pulse feast is great if it fits your eating pattern where you can go without eating and often binge when you do eat. And of course if your willing to buy MAG-10 and not try and makeshift it.[/quote]

Thanks for the help! So, the diet seemed appealing to me, I wouldn’t have a problem doing it. But, if I wasn’t able to do MAG-10 would I be better off just doing a basic 5-6 meal per day plan with possibly some added leucine to a few of my shakes to get a pulse affect?