[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
All logic and data point to the taper being worthless. When I first started reading, it made sense that if you had any outside test floating around in your body, natural production would still be shut down. [/quote]
I don’t know, the “logic” of the taper always made more sense to me.
Or maybe it’s more that cold-turkey anything isn’t usually optimal from a clinical perspective.
I don’t care anymore.
People can think what they want. Thank me or curse me. It doesn’t mean two shits to me any more.
Im personally a few weeks away from my first go with a taper instead of traditional pct. Plan to use the 50mg test/50mg mast per week as well. From there I will figure as to which I like better.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Prisoner wrote:
Fact of the matter is you hate me, and that is pretty obvious, so having any form of a civil intellectual debate with you is just going to turn into a pissing match, so lets just not go there anymore.
You were the one that started dragging this down by insulting people who are far more respected, and have contributed to this community than you. I merely said I don’t believe in the taper, and I am in distinguished company in doing so.
Reputable publishers, or not - please direct me to anything you have had published. Anything at all will do.
I am not taking a side at all…as I respect both RJ and Pris for their forum membership and contributions to this place.
But, i don’t recognize who these people being dragged down are. And who are these great contributors being directly insulted by Pris?
Published doesn’t amount to shit whatsoever. Look at Anthony Roberts. I can easily become published in my scientific field. A few “published” folks I know in my industry I would classify as incompetent and limited, not all, but a couple. Any jackass can read and regurgitate. And virtually any individual with a scientific degree has the capacity to read, interpret and apply knowledge of any kind with some success. Truly nothing special! All that is required is the time and drive required to get it done.
Pris has insulted you, as you have him. However, I hope you’re not lumping yourself into the “respected contributor category” beyond posting on a forum. Because in the “community”, you are a benefactor by virtue of the existence of ChemOne and not a contributor simply by conflict of interest. The fact that you pipe up about the taper all the time just looks like a thinly veiled attack to keep PCT business.
I could be wrong. Don’t care much. Just sick of the recess time arguments cluttering up this forum and certain threads.
GAY!!!
It most certainly is.
Look - read the damn thread. I merely stated that I agreed with the OP that the taper is an exercise in futility. I cited Bill Roberts, and William Llewellyn as having the same opinion about the taper. If you don’t know who either of these gentlemen are - you need to get out of this fucking place and do some looking around. I’ll give you one hint Anabolics 200? - 2007. I have no idea how many volumes Llewellyn has put out, but anyone thinking he is not qualified to offer an opinion on tapering is seriously fucked in the head.
You are most categorically wrong if you think for a second that I think I am anywhere near those two’s status.
As soon as I mentioned their names, P-man had to get on and tell everyon how fucking smart he is, and how stupid everyone who disagrees with him is.
I was defending those I look up to and respect to someone I think is full of shit.
Go ahead - read the thread in order and see if P isn’t the one showing his ass first. He is nothing more than a regular poster - just like me.
I’ll be happy to let this thread die when you all do.
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Roberts and LLewellyn are definately respected contributors, yet I fail to see where they have been put down or bad mouthed. All I see is Pris disagreeing with some of their theory, and standing firm by his own. A theory which has just as much merit as any other. Anyone, and I mean anyone,with a scientific analytical mind can see that the taper as outlined has some value and could possibly work…unless they have their own bias/agenda/chip on the shoulder. I personally think the taper is great for long cycles, yet has no value for cycles less than 8 weeks, where PCT would be my preference.
There is a huge difference between disagreement, and slander.
RJ does border on slander when he “defends”. In actuality it is usually viewed as teen angst ridden offense, or comes off as such. Improvement on the delivery can yield just as satisfying digs at someone, without looking like a pre- pubescent tantrum expert, who’s intelligence is overshadowed by their attitude…see, i am acknowledging you are a bright guy, while calling you a dickhead at the same time. The tirades can be amusing, but can sometimes degrade the atmosphere of this forum…which belongs to all the members.
My advice to the naysayers are to take your heroes cocks out of your mouth, and expand your horizons a little. You can then agree or disagree…but don’t blindly follow dogma. In this game there are no absolutes. Research and first hand experience will constantly continue to evolve cycle and pct theory.
Just adding perspective from a rather impartial source. Take it or leave it.
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
rainjack wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Prisoner wrote:
Fact of the matter is you hate me, and that is pretty obvious, so having any form of a civil intellectual debate with you is just going to turn into a pissing match, so lets just not go there anymore.
You were the one that started dragging this down by insulting people who are far more respected, and have contributed to this community than you. I merely said I don’t believe in the taper, and I am in distinguished company in doing so.
Reputable publishers, or not - please direct me to anything you have had published. Anything at all will do.
I am not taking a side at all…as I respect both RJ and Pris for their forum membership and contributions to this place.
But, i don’t recognize who these people being dragged down are. And who are these great contributors being directly insulted by Pris?
Published doesn’t amount to shit whatsoever. Look at Anthony Roberts. I can easily become published in my scientific field. A few “published” folks I know in my industry I would classify as incompetent and limited, not all, but a couple. Any jackass can read and regurgitate. And virtually any individual with a scientific degree has the capacity to read, interpret and apply knowledge of any kind with some success. Truly nothing special! All that is required is the time and drive required to get it done.
Pris has insulted you, as you have him. However, I hope you’re not lumping yourself into the “respected contributor category” beyond posting on a forum. Because in the “community”, you are a benefactor by virtue of the existence of ChemOne and not a contributor simply by conflict of interest. The fact that you pipe up about the taper all the time just looks like a thinly veiled attack to keep PCT business.
I could be wrong. Don’t care much. Just sick of the recess time arguments cluttering up this forum and certain threads.
GAY!!!
It most certainly is.
Look - read the damn thread. I merely stated that I agreed with the OP that the taper is an exercise in futility. I cited Bill Roberts, and William Llewellyn as having the same opinion about the taper. If you don’t know who either of these gentlemen are - you need to get out of this fucking place and do some looking around. I’ll give you one hint Anabolics 200? - 2007. I have no idea how many volumes Llewellyn has put out, but anyone thinking he is not qualified to offer an opinion on tapering is seriously fucked in the head.
You are most categorically wrong if you think for a second that I think I am anywhere near those two’s status.
As soon as I mentioned their names, P-man had to get on and tell everyon how fucking smart he is, and how stupid everyone who disagrees with him is.
I was defending those I look up to and respect to someone I think is full of shit.
Go ahead - read the thread in order and see if P isn’t the one showing his ass first. He is nothing more than a regular poster - just like me.
I’ll be happy to let this thread die when you all do.
Roberts and LLewellyn are definately respected contributors, yet I fail to see where they have been put down or bad mouthed. All I see is Pris disagreeing with some of their theory, and standing firm by his own. A theory which has just as much merit as any other. Anyone, and I mean anyone,with a scientific analytical mind can see that the taper as outlined has some value and could possibly work…unless they have their own bias/agenda/chip on the shoulder. I personally think the taper is great for long cycles, yet has no value for cycles less than 8 weeks, where PCT would be my preference.
There is a huge difference between disagreement, and slander.
RJ does border on slander when he “defends”. In actuality it is usually viewed as teen angst ridden offense, or comes off as such. Improvement on the delivery can yield just as satisfying digs at someone, without looking like a pre- pubescent tantrum expert, who’s intelligence is overshadowed by their attitude…see, i am acknowledging you are a bright guy, while calling you a dickhead at the same time. The tirades can be amusing, but can sometimes degrade the atmosphere of this forum…which belongs to all the members.
My advice to the naysayers are to take your heroes cocks out of your mouth, and expand your horizons a little. You can then agree or disagree…but don’t blindly follow dogma. In this game there are no absolutes. Research and first hand experience will constantly continue to evolve cycle and pct theory.
Just adding perspective from a rather impartial source. Take it or leave it.
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I don’t have anyone else’s cock anywhere near me. I believe what I believe based on what I have seen, and what works for me. I cited others in the community that hold the same opinion I do on the subject. And that constitutes haveing a cock in my mouth?
I love the way you can throw around shit like that, then come down on me as being pre-pubescent.
What does that make you?
I’m sorry that you don’t like my posting style, but I’m not going to change.
Since when is offering an opinion slanderous?
I stick with what works. PCT works for me, and I am not about to spend 12 fucking weeks post cycle keeping myself shut down. If it works for you, knock yourself out.
But there is nothing slanderous about what I have said in this thread.
fair enough. on this thread we will just agree to disagree. although i usually agree with most things that you post.