[quote]J.Wollmann wrote:
KBC you have go to drop it because no one cares. It’s a stupid argument, and in all honesty it is subjective. I think a bodybuilder is someone who looks to pack on massive amounts of muscle with or without sacrificing body fat. If they look like Tim, that’s fine. But you don’t deserve the term bodybuilder until you can crush an apple with your lats.
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Agreed. I’m 5’10" with arms over 20". As many times as I get asked about weight lifting by strangers, I am going to go out on a limb and assume most people can tell I put some time into this. If someone has a problem with me referring to myself as a bodybuilder they can gladly kiss my ass and keep walking. There is no way in hell I am going to try to argue with some guy who is my size or bigger and try to tell them they aren’t a bodybuilder simply because I think only people who compete get the title. That makes no sense. There are people who compete before they ever build their bodies up so how the fuck are they more of a bodybuilder than the guy who has been at this for over a decade and actually looks built?
Having to get up at 5am to hit the gym.
Making meals for the next day when all you want to do is chill the fuck out.
Getting tons of unwanted advice from people who are in worse shape than you.
Being told what your doing is unhealthy or hurting your body.
Being told to “live a little” by people whose idea of a good time is sitting on the couch munching Pringles on a Saturday night.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
J.Wollmann wrote:
KBC you have go to drop it because no one cares. It’s a stupid argument, and in all honesty it is subjective. I think a bodybuilder is someone who looks to pack on massive amounts of muscle with or without sacrificing body fat. If they look like Tim, that’s fine. But you don’t deserve the term bodybuilder until you can crush an apple with your lats.
Agreed. I’m 5’10" with arms over 20". As many times as I get asked about weight lifting by strangers, I am going to go out on a limb and assume most people can tell I put some time into this. If someone has a problem with me referring to myself as a bodybuilder they can gladly kiss my ass and keep walking. There is no way in hell I am going to try to argue with some guy who is my size or bigger and try to tell them they aren’t a bodybuilder simply because I think only people who compete get the title. That makes no sense. There are people who compete before they ever build their bodies up so how the fuck are they more of a bodybuilder than the guy who has been at this for over a decade and actually looks built?
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If you think I have a “problem” with you referring to yourself as a bodybuilder, you are mistaken. I don’t agree with you, but there are plenty of people with whom i don’t agree about plenty of things. I don’t care enough to have problems or be bothered with it. But if we’re going to put it in binaries (a BODYBUILDER or NOT A BODYBUILDER) then there should be some clear objective line, not some hypothetical point where someone has gotten approximately big enough or approximately lean enough, or just seems to suit your own subjective opinion. That’s what I believe and we disagree. Fine.
Of course it was a stupid argument, but a good enough way to pass the time, and obviously X and I cared enough to keep posting about it, or else we would not have done so. Neither of us will likely convince the other, but if he doesnt want to continue [shrug] that’s fine with me
If my body/diet/the gym comes up in conversation; the phrase “yeh, but, I don’t think you should get too big” - this has come up at least three times in the last week.
Like it has anything to do with them what i do with my body.
I still couldn’t fill a medium size t-shirt for fucks sake.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Of course it was a stupid argument, but a good enough way to pass the time, and obviously X and I cared enough to keep posting about it, or else we would not have done so. Neither of us will likely convince the other, but if he doesnt want to continue [shrug] that’s fine with me[/quote]
Seems to me that being a bodybuilder is a combination of intent and achievement. The intent is to make your muscles bigger by lifting weights and eating more protein. Anyone doing that is a self-declared bodybuilder, but unless they actually do get bigger they’re the equivalent of an unfunny comedian - no-one else will be convinced.
To credibly consider yourself a bodybuilder you have to have achieved a certain level of growth. Until you’ve built a body that you couldn’t have without doing load-bearing exercise you’re a wannabe bodybuilder, just like you’re just a wannabe guitarist while you’re still learning your chords and toughening your fingertips. A really crap bodybuilder is indistinguishable from a non-bodybuilder, so intent alone (even if that includes standing on a stage) isn’t enough.
While you could come up with some sort objective measurement to define “success” that relates a ratio of limb length to peak circumference with a correction for subcutaneous fat(or something like that) it’s a bit pointless as it will still be a threshold chosen subjectively to begin with.
Competing on stage as a measure of success at bodybuilding is a bit of a red herring as all that does is rank everyone present. All the hard work in the gym, and muscle growth, happens whether you step on the stage or not. Do you have to have dieted down to single digits %BF to call yourself a bodybuilder? Maybe, but maybe it just makes you a competitive bodybuilder since they’re the ones who have to do it.
The difficulty finding pants (32inch waist and have to buy 36in pants because of my ass/legs), the constant having to pee, the monotony of diet, the DOMS 48hrs after a leg day…
yeah, that sucks.
One thing I do like, though, is that when I eat as much as I should, my morning BMs are SO MUCH MORE SATISFYING. Birthing what might weigh the same amount as a healthy infant provides a great sense of accomplishment after my morning cup of joe. It’s a built-in daily monitoring system for making sure you get enough food.
“Hmmm… that turd isn’t nearly large enough. Need to add meals.”
You guys and your multiple BMs a day are cool, but I’m quite happy with a huge dump first thing in the AM.
Speaking of huge morning dumps, what is the point of eating corn?
[quote]Rev1911 wrote:
The difficulty finding pants (32inch waist and have to buy 36in pants because of my ass/legs),
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I have worn athletic shorts for the past two years, decided to actually get some nice shorts. I had to get stuff that was 4-6 inches bigger than my waist, it was stupid and is pretty annoying having all that extra fabric.
[quote]Mattlebee wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Of course it was a stupid argument, but a good enough way to pass the time, and obviously X and I cared enough to keep posting about it, or else we would not have done so. Neither of us will likely convince the other, but if he doesnt want to continue [shrug] that’s fine with me
Seems to me that being a bodybuilder is a combination of intent and achievement. The intent is to make your muscles bigger by lifting weights and eating more protein. Anyone doing that is a self-declared bodybuilder, but unless they actually do get bigger they’re the equivalent of an unfunny comedian - no-one else will be convinced.
To credibly consider yourself a bodybuilder you have to have achieved a certain level of growth. Until you’ve built a body that you couldn’t have without doing load-bearing exercise you’re a wannabe bodybuilder, just like you’re just a wannabe guitarist while you’re still learning your chords and toughening your fingertips. A really crap bodybuilder is indistinguishable from a non-bodybuilder, so intent alone (even if that includes standing on a stage) isn’t enough.
While you could come up with some sort objective measurement to define “success” that relates a ratio of limb length to peak circumference with a correction for subcutaneous fat(or something like that) it’s a bit pointless as it will still be a threshold chosen subjectively to begin with.
Competing on stage as a measure of success at bodybuilding is a bit of a red herring as all that does is rank everyone present. All the hard work in the gym, and muscle growth, happens whether you step on the stage or not. Do you have to have dieted down to single digits %BF to call yourself a bodybuilder? Maybe, but maybe it just makes you a competitive bodybuilder since they’re the ones who have to do it.[/quote]
Would you consider a football player to be a bodybuilder? (in regards to the proviso that one build a body that you couldn’t have without doing load-bearing exercise)
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Mattlebee wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Of course it was a stupid argument, but a good enough way to pass the time, and obviously X and I cared enough to keep posting about it, or else we would not have done so. Neither of us will likely convince the other, but if he doesnt want to continue [shrug] that’s fine with me
Seems to me that being a bodybuilder is a combination of intent and achievement. The intent is to make your muscles bigger by lifting weights and eating more protein. Anyone doing that is a self-declared bodybuilder, but unless they actually do get bigger they’re the equivalent of an unfunny comedian - no-one else will be convinced.
To credibly consider yourself a bodybuilder you have to have achieved a certain level of growth. Until you’ve built a body that you couldn’t have without doing load-bearing exercise you’re a wannabe bodybuilder, just like you’re just a wannabe guitarist while you’re still learning your chords and toughening your fingertips. A really crap bodybuilder is indistinguishable from a non-bodybuilder, so intent alone (even if that includes standing on a stage) isn’t enough.
While you could come up with some sort objective measurement to define “success” that relates a ratio of limb length to peak circumference with a correction for subcutaneous fat(or something like that) it’s a bit pointless as it will still be a threshold chosen subjectively to begin with.
Competing on stage as a measure of success at bodybuilding is a bit of a red herring as all that does is rank everyone present. All the hard work in the gym, and muscle growth, happens whether you step on the stage or not. Do you have to have dieted down to single digits %BF to call yourself a bodybuilder? Maybe, but maybe it just makes you a competitive bodybuilder since they’re the ones who have to do it.
Would you consider a football player to be a bodybuilder? (in regards to the proviso that one build a body that you couldn’t have without doing load-bearing exercise)[/quote]
I’d say they weren’t trying to make their muscles more impressive so much as improve athletic performance. The intent side is therefore missing. They might call themselves buff, but I doubt they’d call themselves bodybuilders.