[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Waylandah! Question: Do you prefer DB work or BB work for chest days? Being a tall man and all that. [/quote]
Well I have made good progress with DB’s but ours only go to 120 which isn’t baby heavy enough now haha so I can’t really use those anymore.
I really like BB incline and decline but I really prefer using machines for my neutral bench press.
[quote]JGerman wrote:
Sounds like my weight room in HS. Nice prgress for 3 years. What supps did you take during the 3 years? Favorite supps? [/quote]
Lot’s of muscle milk (huge fuckin rip off but my parents paid for it lol) and that’s all I used in high school.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Tyler Colp wrote:
waylanderxx, it seems recently, the bodybuilding methods used by Dante Trudel have become quite popular, especially the dieting. This consists of things like carb cut-offs, and protein/fat and protein/carb meals. Do you think for teens that these things are particularly important, or rather just getting in the food?
Common Sense… If you’re fat or close to it, it would make a whole damn lot of sense to take steps against getting any fatter or to even lean out while gaining normally in the gym…
But if you’re some super-skinny 120 lb kid, 16 years old and cursed with a raging metabolism and no money for your own food outside of the cafeteria…
Well? Makes more sense to just get in the food and protein then, no?
Most teens have fast metabolisms… But not all of them. Especially in the US it seems 
/end thread takeover
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Yup pretty much this.
As you can see in my earlier pictures I was pretty lean, I didn’t need to focus on what macro’s I was getting, or what my nutrient combos werem and frankly I had no idea about that eating philosophy at the time.
I just knew I wanted to get bigger so I ate everything that was decently clean. Just like now, I stayed away from all sweets ate a ton of meat and carb sources.
I think for the guys that are in the obese category they need to be more conservative in their eating but when you are thin it’s just about getting in the calories.
Way, you’re doing it the right way.
This thread ought to be a sticky… required reading for all newbies.
[quote]Taufiq wrote:
You’re a big man Way, can’t wait to see how you’ll look like in 5 years time. I have a question for you, you said your calves is one of your weak bodyparts, what have you been doing to bring them up? Thanks![/quote]
Me neither, haha 
Recently I have been doing calves every day. MWF I work the gastrocnemius (sp?) and T TH Sat I work the soleus. I used to try and do it all in one day but I would end up skipping them because, honestly no one likes doing calves.
I do something like this:
MWF:(all these variations are with the leg straight to work the gastroc)
standing calve raise: 4x8-10
seated angled calve raise: 4x8-10
leg press calve raise: 4x10-12
T TH Sat: (Knee bent, 90 degrees to work the soleus)
Seated calve raise: 6x15-20
With all of these reps, I explode to the top and lower slowly and really concentrate on the negative and the stretch at the bottom. I actually measured my calves the other day and they were 17 1/4 and they were barely 16 last year, so before they sucked balls, now they just suck lol.
This thread is awesome for any kid saying, “maaaaaaaan, I eat suuuuuu much, but I just can’t get big yo.”
I dont think you covered this yet, but what were your views on rest/recovery couple years back and your views now? Did you have sleeping patterns like your typical college student or were you pretty diligent?
I remember a few years back everyone (including me) always dissed the one guy who didnt go out to parties and drink on Friday night because he wanted his sleep to workout the next morning. Now hes one huge fucker and no one says shit.
[quote]laujik wrote:
This thread is awesome for any kid saying, “maaaaaaaan, I eat suuuuuu much, but I just can’t get big yo.”
I dont think you covered this yet, but what were your views on rest/recovery couple years back and your views now? Did you have sleeping patterns like your typical college student or were you pretty diligent?
I remember a few years back everyone (including me) always dissed the one guy who didnt go out to parties and drink on Friday night because he wanted his sleep to workout the next morning. Now hes one huge fucker and no one says shit.
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I wasn’t as knowledgeable early on so somtimes I would bench press or squat twice in a day or do the same muscle group back to back. I just figured hey If it’s not really sore, why not?
I just worked whatever I felt I could as often as I could, I didn’t have any rules.
I always got 7-8 hours of sleep a night, it was just how I did things.
Honestly, I enjoy going out and having drinks one a week or so. It’s how I meet most girls and it’s what keeps me from being in a relationship with my hand haha. Right now though, the goal is fat loss. I am not going to bust my ass eating correctly and doing cardio to go drink shit on the weekend and shoot myself in the foot. It just wouldn’t make any sense.
All these things are choices, sure if you never drink you will probably have a better physique then the guys that do. However, I also like to enjoy myself and have a good time, so I make some trade offs occasionally.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
When I noticed my weight stall about 2 months ago I ate 5 sweet potatoes after lifting for that entire week and the weight packed on.[/quote]
da fuck? lol holy shit man you added 5 potatoes right away? How much did you gain in a week from that?
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
When I noticed my weight stall about 2 months ago I ate 5 sweet potatoes after lifting for that entire week and the weight packed on.
da fuck? lol holy shit man you added 5 potatoes right away? How much did you gain in a week from that?[/quote]
Like 5 lbs that week probably. I pooped out orange slime for like the next 2 1/2 weeks haha.
Thank you very much for answering all of our questions Way, I hope you’re going to stay in this forum for a while and give us tons more info on bodybuilding along with the other more experienced and knowledgeable members.
/ballhugging
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
When I noticed my weight stall about 2 months ago I ate 5 sweet potatoes after lifting for that entire week and the weight packed on.
da fuck? lol holy shit man you added 5 potatoes right away? How much did you gain in a week from that?
Like 5 lbs that week probably. I pooped out orange slime for like the next 2 1/2 weeks haha.[/quote]
lol, so how much do you think of that was actually muscle/glycogen/not fat basically? I think your method of eating loads and loads of food is great for some people and your clearly one of them but 5lb. just seems like way too much to me in one week to be mostly muscle
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
When I noticed my weight stall about 2 months ago I ate 5 sweet potatoes after lifting for that entire week and the weight packed on.
da fuck? lol holy shit man you added 5 potatoes right away? How much did you gain in a week from that?
Like 5 lbs that week probably. I pooped out orange slime for like the next 2 1/2 weeks haha.
lol, so how much do you think of that was actually muscle/glycogen/not fat basically? I think your method of eating loads and loads of food is great for some people and your clearly one of them but 5lb. just seems like way too much to me in one week to be mostly muscle[/quote]
who knows, that was just an estimate, I just know the scale started moving again. I did this immediately after lifting so I doubt much went to fat. Probably mostly glycogen though. When you hit a plateau you have to change something. Usually the answer is just eating more.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
when I’m forced to eat 2 taco truck carne asada burritos at the site…[/quote]
Save The Taco Trucks!
Anyway Waylander, very impressive genetics young brother. But even more impressive is the work ethic evidenced by the progress you’ve already achieved. Keep it up man.
“Hmmmmm - fuck it, lets add 5 potatoes.”
Thats great. Potatoes should be added to the typical; squat, deadlift and milk phrase.
Your way of thinking is really powerful, especially since its so logical, straight forward and effective.
I have one glorious, pretty much irrelevant question that I think would be cool to know.
If you were to go back to age 16 knowing what you knew now…would you change anything and if so, how would you have approached it differently?
Obviously where you are at now is because of the decisions and choices you’ve made in the past, but it would be interesting to hear.
Btw, again, people keep thanking you, but you’re dropping some really informative stuff here and wanted to say props.
[quote]chillain wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
when I’m forced to eat 2 taco truck carne asada burritos at the site…
Save The Taco Trucks!
Anyway Waylander, very impressive genetics young brother. But even more impressive is the work ethic evidenced by the progress you’ve already achieved. Keep it up man.
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Thanks man, will do.
[quote]laujik wrote:
“Hmmmmm - fuck it, lets add 5 potatoes.”
Thats great. Potatoes should be added to the typical; squat, deadlift and milk phrase.
Your way of thinking is really powerful, especially since its so logical, straight forward and effective.
I have one glorious, pretty much irrelevant question that I think would be cool to know.
If you were to go back to age 16 knowing what you knew now…would you change anything and if so, how would you have approached it differently?
Obviously where you are at now is because of the decisions and choices you’ve made in the past, but it would be interesting to hear.
Btw, again, people keep thanking you, but you’re dropping some really informative stuff here and wanted to say props.
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I think the only thing I would have changed is I wish I didn’t have to do the TBT training, I wish I could have done my own thing.
Aside from that I wouldn’t want to change anything. Honestly it was so fun back then mainly because I didn’t know all that I do now. That may sound strange, but for me ignorance was bliss. It was fucking awesome to just destroy myself in the weight room, then just eat a ton, and that was all I had to worry about. I think it is easy to lose your motivation and drive when you start to worry about too many things. Carb cut offs, macro nutrients, number of calories, cardio, sets, reps, how many exercises etc etc. It just wears you out eventually.
Occasionally I just say Fuck it, I’m going old school. And just train like I did back then. Go in the gym, do everything instinctively, eat, sleep and not worry about a damn thing else.
You ate a fucken lot dude but you still managed to be pretty fcken lean. What do you attribute to that? High Metabolism? Working out 4-5times a week? Genetics?
Good info here, you the man Way.
I think i’m going to try the potato idea next time I stall, haha.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
JonBlood wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Except now when 7 pm rolled around my dinner was 2 personal pepperoni pizzas and a half gallon of whole milk, and if I was still hungry before bed I would have a mass gainer shake. Following this diet I reached my highest of 280 lbs (pretty clean IMO).
Could you post your averages days eating? Also, do you think you gained that fat on your love handles when you were eating like that?
Well the cafeteria food is completely random haha so I couldn’t tell you. I just made sure I ate every 2 hours, no exception and I force fed myself every meal. I purposefully put more food on my plate than I knew I could eat and then made myself eat it. Tons of protein and carbs, I pretty much got all my fats from milk. I would estimate an average days eating was probably 6000 calories and at times I was pushing mid 7000’s. I know I was getting at least 3500 from liquids alone.
I got the fat on my love handles by providing my body with a huge insulin spike right before bed along with lots of fats.
A half gallon of whole milk is 1300 calories, along with 2 pizzas and 550 calorie shake. That’s probably close to 3000 calories in a 2-3 hour period. I didn’t care though, fat can be burned off in a few miserable weeks. Muscle takes years and years, I’ll gladly make that trade any day.
I tried the whole staying lean route when bulking and it didn’t work for me. I remember when I first came here Prof X tore me a new one b/c I made the comment “that I think it’s stupid to go above 12% bf when bulking”. He got on my ass about that, saying something along the lines that it is retarded to restrict yourself like that, that some people need more to effectively build muscle, and he was right. That was an important lesson that proved true for me.[/quote]
I kinda wonder what your diet was like while you were still living at home with your parent(s). Your poor family probably had to go the store DAILY!! I can’t imagine my own son eating that much in one day, of course he’s only 7 now, but his appetite is already getting bigger…guess I’ll be getting a second job! 
[quote]mom-in-MD wrote:
I kinda wonder what your diet was like while you were still living at home with your parent(s). Your poor family probably had to go the store DAILY!! I can’t imagine my own son eating that much in one day, of course he’s only 7 now, but his appetite is already getting bigger…guess I’ll be getting a second job!
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Pasta, pizza, whole milk, rice and especially ground beef are going to be your best friends