[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Except now when 7 pm rolled around my dinner was 2 personal pepperoni pizzas and a half gallon of whole milk, and if I was still hungry before bed I would have a mass gainer shake. Following this diet I reached my highest of 280 lbs (pretty clean IMO).[/quote]
Could you post your averages days eating? Also, do you think you gained that fat on your love handles when you were eating like that?
[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
Haha i knew this thread would blow up, soon to be like X’s thread. Cheers for the advice, you, and X are my main sources of information hahaha. Eat all the time, whatever you can, train heavy. Do ya splits. Done.
Def post those old pics i like the inspiration. So 4ish years training, awesome progess man, i wish i has access to unlimited food sources.
Couple more Q’s.
*Do you think the training volume, plus the 6days a week training helped keep your BF down while eating so much? (seeing as you’d utilise carbs strongly 6 days a week)
*you say you were an idiot for doing squats once every 2 weeks. How many times do you think is beneficial?
*do you think a push/pull/legs split done twice (6 days) would be beneficial to gain, seeing as the weights are relatively lower as a beginner, so frequency can be more?
*One more - carbs sources - do you have pasta and rice, or more oats, sweet/potatoes?
Thanks again buddy.[/quote]
2)For hypertrophy, 1-2 times a week. I try to train them twice for every time I train upper body. I neglected them early on so naturally they need more work to match the rest of my body, just like my calves.
IMO training more often is always more beneficial as long as you eat enough. For instance, if you currently lift 4 days a week or something and aren’t gaining weight then decide to make it 6, you definitely won’t gain weight. However, if you really pound those calories and do 6 days a week I believe you can really speed up your progress.
My favorite is by far potatoes and sweet potatoes. When I noticed my weight stall about 2 months ago I ate 5 sweet potatoes after lifting for that entire week and the weight packed on. I really fucking hate rice, it is so bland and it takes forever to chew, takes me like 30 mins to eat a cup of rice, not cool. You have to drown that stuff in sauce of some sort for it to even be edible, so I avoid it for the most part. Pasta has it’s place too but I don’t really like it. I pretty much stick with potatoes for the majority of meals and oats for breakfast.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Careful Way, don’t bring your legs up too much… Else you’ll land in the m*ech ads and people will start threads about how fat you got in the off-season and how you better take the olympia RIGHT NOW or else you’re really overhyped.
Anyway. I’m kind of happy that, in 3 years, when you’re competing at the O at 340lbs contest shape, my calves will still be bigger than yours and all I need to do to make them EVEN LARGER is walk up and down the stairs in my house a few times 
Keep it up, brother.
[/quote]
hahaha! I know right 
3 years? We’ll see haha. Yah… you guys with good calves genetics really upset me
btw fellas if you see this guy posting (Cephalic_carnage) pay attention. He’s helped me out a lot in the past few months and knows his shit.
[quote]laujik wrote:
Do you remember what ~weights you were throwing around back when you were 16/17? How fast were you progressing and adding weight?
Im currently hunting down good buffet places close to my place. :D[/quote]
Really all I remember is the first time I bench pressed I could only do 95 lbs and I don’t think I could even squat 135 haha, it was bad. My freshman year I went to a huge football high school in louisiana. Guys there were already juicing as freshman. I will always remember this guy Daniel Macintosh, the summer of 8th grade he maxed 315 on bench and squatted 400 something. I was in complete awe haha, he was an animal. (Shame he died in an ATV accident later that year).
Back on topic…the one benefit I had as a youngster was a strength coach that wrote down the weights I HAD to use for my workouts. He made me progress, I didn’t have a choice lol. If I felt like going lighter too bad. His training program sucked balls, but his forced progression worked well and is something I’ve kept with me today. I try to progress no matter what, every workout.
Oh at 17 my maxes were 250 bench and 275 squat, that’s really all I remember from back then sorry man.
Hahaha cheers man, good advice, as soon as my semester finishes, 6 days a week it is, with lots of milk.
[quote]JonBlood wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Except now when 7 pm rolled around my dinner was 2 personal pepperoni pizzas and a half gallon of whole milk, and if I was still hungry before bed I would have a mass gainer shake. Following this diet I reached my highest of 280 lbs (pretty clean IMO).
Could you post your averages days eating? Also, do you think you gained that fat on your love handles when you were eating like that?
[/quote]
Well the cafeteria food is completely random haha so I couldn’t tell you. I just made sure I ate every 2 hours, no exception and I force fed myself every meal. I purposefully put more food on my plate than I knew I could eat and then made myself eat it. Tons of protein and carbs, I pretty much got all my fats from milk. I would estimate an average days eating was probably 6000 calories and at times I was pushing mid 7000’s. I know I was getting at least 3500 from liquids alone.
I got the fat on my love handles by providing my body with a huge insulin spike right before bed along with lots of fats.
A half gallon of whole milk is 1300 calories, along with 2 pizzas and 550 calorie shake. That’s probably close to 3000 calories in a 2-3 hour period. I didn’t care though, fat can be burned off in a few miserable weeks. Muscle takes years and years, I’ll gladly make that trade any day.
I tried the whole staying lean route when bulking and it didn’t work for me. I remember when I first came here Prof X tore me a new one b/c I made the comment “that I think it’s stupid to go above 12% bf when bulking”. He got on my ass about that, saying something along the lines that it is retarded to restrict yourself like that, that some people need more to effectively build muscle, and he was right. That was an important lesson that proved true for me.
Fucking beast. Jesus dood, I thought I had an appetite. Imagine what would happen if they let us loose post workout at Hometown? They would probably ban us! lol!
Yup, ever since Senor X made me see the light I now longer cringe when I’m forced to eat 2 taco truck carne asada burritos at the site due to my lack of enough food. And some say he’s an asshole.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[u][i]That’s probably close to 3000 calories in a 2-3 hour period. I didn’t care though, fat can be burned off in a few miserable weeks. Muscle takes years and years, I’ll gladly make that trade any day.[/u][/i]
I tried the whole staying lean route when bulking and it didn’t work for me. I remember when I first came here Prof X tore me a new one b/c I made the comment “that I think it’s stupid to go above 12% bf when bulking”. He got on my ass about that, saying something along the lines that it is retarded to restrict yourself like that, that some people need more to effectively build muscle, and he was right. That was an important lesson that proved true for me.[/quote]
I would just like to re-emphasize Waylander’s point on this. I know it’s not my thread, but if there’s anyone reading this who doesn’t find themselves making progress, TAKE THIS TO HEART!
Anyway, nice thread Waylander, I actually didn’t know you had been lifting for 5ish years now.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Vestiaz wrote:
phatkins187 wrote:
Dude I really appreciate your feedback…
I truly believe to change for the better you need to emulate those that have succeeded and you’re kicking ass and taking names. Keep on scaring the shit out of the kids in your college gym and the cafeteria ladies!
Nothing like walking into the gym watching some dude struggling with all his might to put up 325 on flat bench for a bench press comp. and seeing waylander on the bench directly behind him throwing up 315 like there’s no weight on the bar. hahaha.
haha that you josh?[/quote]
dang i’m not nearly as sneaky as i’d hoped to be.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
btw fellas if you see this guy posting (Cephalic_carnage) pay attention and send him lots of money. He’s helped me out a lot in the past few months and knows his shit.[/quote]
Fixed that for you
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
laujik wrote:
Do you remember what ~weights you were throwing around back when you were 16/17? How fast were you progressing and adding weight?
Im currently hunting down good buffet places close to my place.
Really all I remember is the first time I bench pressed I could only do 95 lbs and I don’t think I could even squat 135 haha, it was bad. My freshman year I went to a huge football high school in louisiana. Guys there were already juicing as freshman. I will always remember this guy Daniel Macintosh, the summer of 8th grade he maxed 315 on bench and squatted 400 something. I was in complete awe haha, he was an animal. (Shame he died in an ATV accident later that year).
Back on topic…the one benefit I had as a youngster was a strength coach that wrote down the weights I HAD to use for my workouts. He made me progress, I didn’t have a choice lol. If I felt like going lighter too bad. His training program sucked balls, but his forced progression worked well and is something I’ve kept with me today. I try to progress no matter what, every workout.
Oh at 17 my maxes were 250 bench and 275 squat, that’s really all I remember from back then sorry man.[/quote]
Just curious…was the strength coach you worked with your school coach or someone you worked with outside of school?
Waylandah! Question: Do you prefer DB work or BB work for chest days? Being a tall man and all that.
[quote]Vanilla-Gorilla wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
laujik wrote:
Do you remember what ~weights you were throwing around back when you were 16/17? How fast were you progressing and adding weight?
Im currently hunting down good buffet places close to my place.
Really all I remember is the first time I bench pressed I could only do 95 lbs and I don’t think I could even squat 135 haha, it was bad. My freshman year I went to a huge football high school in louisiana. Guys there were already juicing as freshman. I will always remember this guy Daniel Macintosh, the summer of 8th grade he maxed 315 on bench and squatted 400 something. I was in complete awe haha, he was an animal. (Shame he died in an ATV accident later that year).
Back on topic…the one benefit I had as a youngster was a strength coach that wrote down the weights I HAD to use for my workouts. He made me progress, I didn’t have a choice lol. If I felt like going lighter too bad. His training program sucked balls, but his forced progression worked well and is something I’ve kept with me today. I try to progress no matter what, every workout.
Oh at 17 my maxes were 250 bench and 275 squat, that’s really all I remember from back then sorry man.
Just curious…was the strength coach you worked with your school coach or someone you worked with outside of school?[/quote]
Hah he was an old guy, probably like 60. He was a bouncer and a pretty beastly guy in his prime apparently. I don’t know what credentials he had but he was our designated “strength coach”, he had no involvement in the football program outside of the weight room. My senior year they fired him though and brought in these guys from this company called “D1”. It’s a company that specializes in training athletes for the D1 level, founded by Peyton Manning and one other fella I don’t remember. I didn’t do their workouts but bounced ideas of some of the guys and lifted with them occasionally, it was good times. We had a shitty ass weight room (the best kind) rusty weights/barbells,all iron, none of that plastic bullshit. They let me bring in my metal CD’s and we just killed ourselves everyday, it was great.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
btw fellas if you see this guy posting (Cephalic_carnage) pay attention and send him lots of money. He’s helped me out a lot in the past few months and knows his shit.
Fixed that for you
[/quote]
hahaha, sorry I should have known better. Thanks for the fix
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Vanilla-Gorilla wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
laujik wrote:
Do you remember what ~weights you were throwing around back when you were 16/17? How fast were you progressing and adding weight?
Im currently hunting down good buffet places close to my place.
Really all I remember is the first time I bench pressed I could only do 95 lbs and I don’t think I could even squat 135 haha, it was bad. My freshman year I went to a huge football high school in louisiana. Guys there were already juicing as freshman. I will always remember this guy Daniel Macintosh, the summer of 8th grade he maxed 315 on bench and squatted 400 something. I was in complete awe haha, he was an animal. (Shame he died in an ATV accident later that year).
Back on topic…the one benefit I had as a youngster was a strength coach that wrote down the weights I HAD to use for my workouts. He made me progress, I didn’t have a choice lol. If I felt like going lighter too bad. His training program sucked balls, but his forced progression worked well and is something I’ve kept with me today. I try to progress no matter what, every workout.
Oh at 17 my maxes were 250 bench and 275 squat, that’s really all I remember from back then sorry man.
Just curious…was the strength coach you worked with your school coach or someone you worked with outside of school?
Hah he was an old guy, probably like 60. He was a bouncer and a pretty beastly guy in his prime apparently. I don’t know what credentials he had but he was our designated “strength coach”, he had no involvement in the football program outside of the weight room. My senior year they fired him though and brought in these guys from this company called “D1”. It’s a company that specializes in training athletes for the D1 level, founded by Peyton Manning and one other fella I don’t remember. I didn’t do their workouts but bounced ideas of some of the guys and lifted with them occasionally, it was good times. We had a shitty ass weight room (the best kind) rusty weights/barbells,all iron, none of that plastic bullshit. They let me bring in my metal CD’s and we just killed ourselves everyday, it was great.[/quote]
Sounds like my weight room in HS. Nice prgress for 3 years. What supps did you take during the 3 years? Favorite supps?
waylanderxx, it seems recently, the bodybuilding methods used by Dante Trudel have become quite popular, especially the dieting. This consists of things like carb cut-offs, and protein/fat and protein/carb meals. Do you think for teens that these things are particularly important, or rather just getting in the food?
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Vanilla-Gorilla wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
laujik wrote:
Do you remember what ~weights you were throwing around back when you were 16/17? How fast were you progressing and adding weight?
Im currently hunting down good buffet places close to my place.
Really all I remember is the first time I bench pressed I could only do 95 lbs and I don’t think I could even squat 135 haha, it was bad. My freshman year I went to a huge football high school in louisiana. Guys there were already juicing as freshman. I will always remember this guy Daniel Macintosh, the summer of 8th grade he maxed 315 on bench and squatted 400 something. I was in complete awe haha, he was an animal. (Shame he died in an ATV accident later that year).
Back on topic…the one benefit I had as a youngster was a strength coach that wrote down the weights I HAD to use for my workouts. He made me progress, I didn’t have a choice lol. If I felt like going lighter too bad. His training program sucked balls, but his forced progression worked well and is something I’ve kept with me today. I try to progress no matter what, every workout.
Oh at 17 my maxes were 250 bench and 275 squat, that’s really all I remember from back then sorry man.
Just curious…was the strength coach you worked with your school coach or someone you worked with outside of school?
Hah he was an old guy, probably like 60. He was a bouncer and a pretty beastly guy in his prime apparently. I don’t know what credentials he had but he was our designated “strength coach”, he had no involvement in the football program outside of the weight room. My senior year they fired him though and brought in these guys from this company called “D1”. It’s a company that specializes in training athletes for the D1 level, founded by Peyton Manning and one other fella I don’t remember. I didn’t do their workouts but bounced ideas of some of the guys and lifted with them occasionally, it was good times. We had a shitty ass weight room (the best kind) rusty weights/barbells,all iron, none of that plastic bullshit. They let me bring in my metal CD’s and we just killed ourselves everyday, it was great.[/quote]
Thanks. I live in NOLA and was just curious if I’d heard of any of these guys.
[quote]Tyler Colp wrote:
waylanderxx, it seems recently, the bodybuilding methods used by Dante Trudel have become quite popular, especially the dieting. This consists of things like carb cut-offs, and protein/fat and protein/carb meals. Do you think for teens that these things are particularly important, or rather just getting in the food?[/quote]
Common Sense… If you’re fat or close to it, it would make a whole damn lot of sense to take steps against getting any fatter or to even lean out while gaining normally in the gym…
But if you’re some super-skinny 120 lb kid, 16 years old and cursed with a raging metabolism and no money for your own food outside of the cafeteria…
Well? Makes more sense to just get in the food and protein then, no?
Most teens have fast metabolisms… But not all of them. Especially in the US it seems
/end thread takeover
You’re a big man Way, can’t wait to see how you’ll look like in 5 years time. I have a question for you, you said your calves is one of your weak bodyparts, what have you been doing to bring them up? Thanks!