I said this with a successive portion of a sentence. Of course I sympathize with young people who can’t afford a home! I live in Suffolk, Long Island, where the median home price is in the mid 400’s! I have my home partly because I’m Spoiled!
400’s is fine… median price 970,000 here
It’s not about young people not being able to afford… at this point, NOBODY can afford aside from the very rich. Even in my 30’s, unless I’m quite successful I’m not going to have an extra million lying around. I’d have to put a deposit down on a house. Given a deposit tends to be about 20% of the purchase price, I still need 200K lying around… about the avg cost for a HOUSE in Philadelphia.
If you’ve brought property here 10-20 years ago… good. If you’ve just arrived and need to buy a house, good luck…
How so? No judgement from me
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Just own it and move on man. No one who lives in the first world with modern amenities isn’t pretty spoiled. Throw in recreational travel worldwide, the college of your choosing a foregone conclusion, and all of the ect. 's,
And just move on. No one is actually holding it against you.
Even bandying about subjects like this is totally a “my life is great, but I want it even better” kind of subject.
So back to it.
So how are you supposed to regulate how much or how often people use these substances?
I’ve seen the results of long term heavy use of shrooms and lsd. Not a whole lot, but every so often you get someone that decides they’re all in on hallucinogens and they go for it, turning themselves into total nimrods.
This requires prioritization. In the US pot has been way down the list for a good while, with meth and heroin up top.
Yes, I’ve heard about it, and that jackass who said young Aussies can’t Get a home because they eat too much avocado toast! 
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This is long term, very heavy usage. LSD/Psilocybin aren’t particularly reinforcing in nature (psychologically or physiologically). We have no data to suggest the use of LSD/psilocybin (my keyboard is fucked, stay with me here) elicits a net neurotoxic effect. Individuals significantly effected may have garnered such an effect after extensive abuse and/or from other substances.
I know what you’re talking about, I’ve used 2-3g shrooms before (not a common thing, as I’ve stated the majority of the time it’s cannabis)… then you’ve got those guys who will use 10g every other week (takes 2 weeks for psychedelic tolerance to reset)… prime reason as to why it’s not particularly addictive is because you CAN’T keep taking them, the escalating dosages required wouldn’t be feasible… tolerance builds directly after the first dose.
I’ve never taken LSD, but I would… There’s always the risk of HPPD etc… but it’s a relatively low risk substance, and I don’t buy the gateway theory. I think perhaps some are merely more predisposed towards taking substances (environmental factors, trauma, genetics etc)
the starting dose is about 100ug, I know those who will take 5-600ug… So yes, like all substances abuse exists. But compare the consequence to the detriment induced by say… alcohol, meth, crack, cocaine, benzodiazepines, barbiturates, ketamine (bladder cystitis, neurotoxicity etc), racemic amphetamine, heroin (I hesitate to say opiates in general… tramadol is very different to heroin). You’re “nimrod” comment may be true… or not… either way it’s covering extensive abuse over a very long period of time, at which even then the consequence pales in resemblance to harder substances.
Who said this?
Oh, this guy Millionaire tells millennials: if you want a house, stop buying avocado toast | Avocados | The Guardian
What a dick… he’s a MILLIONAIRE… he can’t possibly relate lol… let’s put him under the situation us youngsters are in… how out of touch can someone be!
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My family gave me a considerable amount of money and paid off my wife’s student loan.
Oh, it is. If you’ve ever met anybody who made their living following the Greatful Dead and selling mushrooms and acid, you’d know exactly what I’m talking about.
They’re basically a carrot with legs.
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Lol you’ve made me laugh
I still believe my theory stands
The same consequence I’ve anecdotally seen with those who smoke pot all day every day for many years… same with booze
Cognitive deficits aren’t solely based upon mushrooms, you’re example here is very extreme. Used acutely, or even intermittently psychedelic drugs (in a healthy man/woman) aren’t particularly dangerous, far safer (physically) than binge drinking
In terms of damages induced towards the user, shrooms/lsd are one of the more lenient substances. I’ve linked the prior study ranking drugs based on potential harm based upon
- harm induced (physical and psychological… to the user and others)
- addictive potential
Etc
Shrooms were right at the bottom, below cannabis… we have no data that exists to suggest shrooms are particularly dangerous if used occasionally
Though we’ve got data to suggest even cannabis can cause serious adverse effects in those predisposed. There are a few concerning reports regarding the facilitation of arrhythmia and/or myocardial infarction directly after ingestion of the substance in those predisposed
We have MANY case reports of the aforementioned events occurring after acute phases of heavy drinking even in HEALTHY individuals without underlying risk factors
We have… one case report regarding shrooms potentially inducing MI… one report…
I’m aware of all this. I’ve used quite a bit of lsd, mushrooms, and mdma plenty of times, have a long history of drug and alcohol addiction, and currently 17 years and counting sober.
I’m speaking from decades of experience on both sides.
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I’ve actually got a really good answer for this, but I’m currently multitasking, will reply in like 30 mins
I applaud you’re willpower and dedication, furthermore I find the fact that you spend time helping others stay off to be very admirable
This isn’t a shot or me trying to pick out inconsistencies within you’re character as you’d previously thought I was trying to do within a different thread
I’m trying to say you’ve overcome a great deal and come out alive, furthermore you spend time attempting help others… I respect that very much
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Ah, it’s life or death. It’s not like I have some altruistic drive to help others.
But thank you. 
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That’s pretty accurate.
That’s not what I was saying though. Some people start smoking crack mixed with weed because it somehow seems less harmful, but then a lot of these people eventually end up smoking straight crack like in the example I gave. I knew a few people who got hooked on crack like that, I’m glad I never tried it.
Yeah I think a lot of people would just go ahead and do it if everyone else is doing it too.
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Considering now we’re the only three discussing this, if you wish, perhaps we can consider what a community that legalizes drugs with a good mix of intelligent and disciplined people and unintelligent and impulsive people and everyone in between would look like. I’ll take the concept of “covenant community” from the libertarian economist and professor Hans Hoppe, a concept rooted in fantasy but perhaps worthy of consideration here. All those who highly value recreational drug use and consider them of major importance shall live there. For acceptance, they take an oath for no punishment of people who useany drug, regularly or irregularly. Plenty of funds will be needed to be raised to take care of all maladies that can be used to help and rehabilitate users with resultant mental and physical illness.
What would this community look like versus the reverse, one in which there would be an oath stating something similar like “Those who use or distribute recreational drugs will get BTFO.” Perhaps we can consider the economy, public spaces, overall safety, and well-being.
Any takers?
You may not highly value recreational drugs… nor do I… actually I take that back, the illicit use of androgens (albeit low dosage) has had a dramatic impact on my overall quality of life. Beats taking painkillers/repeated cortisone shots.
But, you’ve specified you drink. If we refer to recreational drug use, you fall within that category. Alcohol is no different…
Probably not great, if we refer to “no consequence for the use of any drug” this probably also refers to “no consequence for one’s actions under the influence of said drugs”. There is a demographic even more progressive than I. One of which advocates for the legalisation of ALL drugs, say “penalties for crimes committed under the influence should be reduced”… I think this is bullshit, you’ve made the decision to take benzodiazepines + alcohol, snort an eight ball in one night etc… if you’ve snapped, killed someone under the influence it’s you’re own fault, no reduced penalty should apply here unless said individual is a juvenile unable to comprehend his/her own actions/see the difference between right and wrong.
Well, look at Canada (barring the injection clinics), look at the Netherlands (barring the tourism). The general residing populace is well behaved, we don’t have a community of unproductive stoners/guys popping shrooms at every conceivable opportunity. We’ve legalised alcohol, one of the most destructive substances available, by you’re rhetoric the sky should’ve fallen decades ago
If people had the choice to move to such a community, rather than the laws suddenly changing, then you could expect the first one to be pretty messed up and dysfunctional. The second one would be something like a secular Saudi Arabia.