By this logic if I’m hosting a 15 y/olds birthday party and I leave a bottle of vodka out in the open it isn’t my fault if him/his friends drink it. I didn’t give it to them right?
We are talking about full grown responsible for themselves adults. I know people on the left think that the normal citizen is so stupid that they have to mandate everything otherwise they will hurt themselves (I know you are not one of those) but how can somebody drive a car, own a gun, own a knife if he ISN’T responsible for his own actions?
Yes if you didn’t then you didn’t give it to them, correct. But we are talking about adults.
I think his response was better than the hands on approach Germany took. Also, COVID is overblown and everyone in the medical community knows it. I see and know they know it. I talk to them every day. But they think the normal citizen is stupid as shit. That’s why they want to force these rules down your throat. I heard this sentence so often and it’s so irritating to me
“The normal citizen is stupid as shit so we have to mandate x,y, and z and all other letters of every known alphabet”
Also, the Deaths by states statistic shows enough to not have to discuss COVID policy.
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Thanks. I don’t look like that now. It’s a four-plus year old picture.
A topic I cannot discuss online. I don’t care to be possibly labeled a self-hating Jew or have a conversation about Hitler, WWII, or National Socialism. I don’t think people can control themselves.
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Sorry, I know BALLS about the this topic lol. Seriously, absolutely nothing.
I missed the details of that burger. 
I’ll add that I wouldn’t mind talking about the topic but I believe the others will inevitably be brought up. Once they’re brought up, a poster cannot safely move forward unless he follows one line of thought or believes unapproved information.
So, this is why going forward it’s not worth it for me to post about anything politician, societal, or historical. If I happen to, and someone brings up the following, when I was NOT talking about them initially, I will step out of the conversation, even if someone isn’t intending to gaslight or browbeat me or throw me off guard.
Nazis, Hitler, WWII
homosexuality
women’s rights and misogyny
slavery
Europeans’ treatment of the Indians
Islam
and now I have to add China, Russia, or perhaps some country one isn’t fond of
It does appear that dim views on China, Russia, and Islam are tolerated in PWI though seemingly everyone is down on ethnocentricism. How this is not incongruent, I don’t know.
This is why I abruptly cut down on posting in here.
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I don’t support that, because I don’t feel it follows logic.
I’m a bit grumpy. Just had a very disappointing deadlift day. I have a muscle in my back that isn’t right, and it is screwing up my lifts. I missed a warm up weight that should be easy for me, and it’s a tough thing to accept.
That’s not what the medical people I know say. Not in the slightest. Something that killed over 550,000 and counting in this country in a year? I’d pick a new doctor if they thought that was no big deal.
You’re right we shouldn’t have to mandate things like masks. What would have helped is a President who didn’t belittle his own doctors guidance and the overwhelming consensus of the medical community.
But we have a whole Covid thread to talk about that in.
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I think that’s because they’re either countries or religions so we’re really talking about governments and leaders of various religious factions.
As for ethnocentricism, I think all I did was state that it wouldn’t be beneficial in today’s world for 1st World countries and most developing ones and some other countries have successfully managed to maintain racial harmony while even China is getting more inclusive because they know it’s lucrative.
I honestly have no moral opinions about it. Pragmatically, it can make sense in a different era or in the 3rd World where people actually get massacred(not being hyperbolic nor am I trying to link you to a strawman or anything. It’s just what’s happening now out there even today and you can read the news from S.E Asia to get an idea on what’s happening).
Again, I rarely state my opinions from a point of morality unless someone engages me from that point of view or is being intellectually dishonest. If I whine about stuff like, say, “ethics”, it’s because I’m criticizing people who have broken a written agreement or industrial code etc, which is separate from “morality” IMO. Just clarifying that even though we’ve had disagreements, they’ve never been a reflection of my view of your sense of morality.
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I hear conflicting responses from those in the medical community. Though virtually no one in the field of science here believes the scenario of which has unfolded within the USA is “okay”.
Should note I have distant family who died from covid-19 and close family who became very ill (with long lasting effects post covid in one case). It’s not the Flu, that’s for damn sure.
Edit: none were elderly
Right on. Can’t be. Flu is down over 99%. Child deaths from flu are down by about 99.5%.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/us-coronavirus-deaths-by-state-july-1.html
You can see a direct relationship between deaths-per-capita and shutdowns(or not-shutting-down, as the case may be). If you can’t, it’s because people didn’t listen to the science and leadership. If you can, it’s because the science and leadership convinced people without the need for mandates. It’s the circle of life.
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I don’t feel like getting into this argument on here. Rather transfer the discussion to the covid thread. Overall mortality rate mediated through covid-19 pales in comparison to the flu. Is it overblown? In countries such as NZ/Aus… probably. In the USA? No…
That’s right. Now you got a president who wears a mask even though he’s vaccinated and advisers of him and himself who say they don’t know when you can open up and if it’s this year or next year. I guess it’s pick your poison in the US. But that’s what happens in a 2 party system. But actually Germany isn’t much better regarding that even though we have countless parties.
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Exactly! Neither candidates are “good” in my book. But if you held a gun to my head and told me to vote, I’d vote for Biden.
To set a precedent/example.
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I’m sorry for your loss. With overblown I mean the measures taken are not supported by data or logic. Not that it’s not bad. Also it is very largely not killing any healthy or young people. That’s why I say overblown. In Germany healthy people my age are scared of it, but doctors I work with are more casual about it. Not wearing masks often for example. I only wear the mask to protect older people that’s it
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Should be noted one individual within my family who fell very ill was in his 20’s. Nothing serious, just shortness of breath, trouble walking distances. He described it was “the worst flu you’ve ever had *10”. Took him a little while to get his cardiorespiratory fitness back.
The individual who died was in his/her late 40s. Another ended up on oxygen, late 60s (with lasting complications). Aside from that, those I know who have caught it describe it as a really bad flu, aside from teenagers… In which case it appears to be akin to a cold/flu.
For people aged 50-60-70-80+ this really is quite a dangerous virus to catch, with mortality rates associated with infection exponentially increasing as each decade goes by. I don’t think it’s fair/humane to simply state “well fuck old people”, hence why I believe a vaccine is our best bet.
Even if it doesn’t adequately curb the spread of more infectious variants and whatnot, the severity of said infections ought to be akin to say… The common cold if you’ve been vaccinated.
Death rates go down, we treat this as a yearly thing etc. Only issue is the prospect of “long covid”, are there potential long term neurobiological consequences associated with covid-19 we aren’t aware of?
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I have some thoughts, mainly that Israel did make mistakes and does make them, but that Palestinians were never ready to come to the table. Also I don’t see a reason to support nearly any state besides Israel in the Middle East. They are the only democratic one and even have parties in their Parlament that want to basically end Israel. I think support of this country should be high, it’s our only reliable ally.
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Completely agree. That’s why I’m very cautious around old people or older people. But it is still blown out of proportion. As soon as risk groups and older people are vaccinated there shouldn’t be question about states completely opening up. The government is enjoying its power and spending way too much in my opinion.