That is simply refutable. Children never hearing about pornography won’t know that it exists, therefore won’t look for it. Even better, children with a family (with a mother and especially father they respect) where for example pornography is off limits, will be against porn, so they’ll inherently know it’s bad because they got taught so.
Examples would be: children voting for the same parties their parents always did or at least leaning in the same direction very often.
An example from my childhood is, that I found an (unused) pack of condoms at like 10 years old and I didn’t know what that was, couldn’t even pronounce condoms as I didn’t know smithing about sex. I remembered this and I eventually learned what it was with 11-12 years old. I had a great childhood without knowing about sex, adultery, people’s sexual orientation or some school forcing my parents to give me estradiol and puberty blockers because they thought I acted girly sometimes (I didn’t, but that is actually what is proposed in the US now. Think about what we discuss on a daily basis in the Pharma section and this shit hole of a life awaits children/adolescents who do a cross dress for fun or have mental problems).
I saw a few of putins Q and As and I gotta say, his views on degenerate behavior are spot on. I’m not educated enough on Russia to give Putin a up or down vote but he seems to get things our politicians don’t want to get.
Authoritarian upbringing with strong rules in the house goes a long way. That instills a sense of morality and “good and bad”. If you then want to inform them later on when they are capable of listening, you can, but to prevent your daughter from going into porn for example or your son from taking drugs, the first one is the important one.
Both. They both promote each other. Pop culture and social media are always on the edges of killing any societal norms.
I’ll give you an example. I saw you once made the point that “I don’t care what two consenting adults in a room do”. Your posts clearly indicated that you think, regarding sex, the only thing that makes it ok or not ok, is consent.
I’ll tell you how that backfires (I don’t want to get into the whole rest of the conversation you guys had, was interesting though). If a woman doesn’t feel as if the sex was what she wanted afterwards but society tells her that everything is alright as long as she consents, she’ll just go to the logical conclusion: it didn’t feel right last night, I must have not consented!
Hence all the accusations now coming out of women who fucked a guy, it didn’t feel right, they felt used and whoops he must’ve raped her. I mean well she consented at the time but it didn’t feeeeel right. So she pulls her consent afterwards. In the courtroom that wont stand a chance for now, but in the public discourse (social media, mainstream media) it is already a guilty charge.
“Ignored non-verbal cues”
“She briefly performed oral sex on him”
Buuut she really didn’t want to get pumped and dumped so time to cancel the man and destroy his reputation (I think he recovered, thank God)
@BrickHead s solution would solve this problem. Don’t fuck around. Another option would be to let legal things be decided in court and not in the eye of public opinion.
Great posts. Another thing I think I should mention is no longer an atheistic man. I am a biological Jew and I am converting to Catholicism. I will be baptized on April 3rd and I often attend a traditional Catholic Church for mass that is opposed to modernism.
My conversion is sincere and I wouldn’t convert if I was even silently condoning degeneracy. It’s not a conversion simply because my wife is Catholic and my kids were baptized in which I were to fake it and go through the motions.
In all fairness I think you know what I was referring to, that is having a factual conversation regarding the subject matter “pornographic material exists, there’s nothing special about it. I’d prefer if you didn’t look at this. If you ever happen to stumble upon this material it is imperative you know pornography isn’t representative of healthy same sex relations and dynamics. Aesthetic features present on actors aren’t representative of reality/norms. These are actors getting paid for a job, nothing more. Generally this is an industry rifle with substance abuse, low rates of job satisfaction and sky high rates of abuse. In no way do the acts portrayed in pornography portray the reality of sexual relations. Sex is an intimate act to be shared between two consenting adults who love and care for one another.” After which you can link some literature (NOT propaganda) showcasing potential neurological abberations and long term sexual dysfunction stemming from excessive use of pornography.
I don’t like the age argument. You’ve had more life experience than I have, but that shouldn’t render my observations irrelevant. What’s more, our combined experiences represent a fraction of what encompassed daily peer to peer reactions, it’s highly plausible sample bias may be present. My rebuttal for the latter would be “I’ve lived in two countries, moved school six times, moved houses many times, been all over Europe by myself, been around/with people residing within a myriad of different cultures/ethnic backgrounds”.
Our observations clearly differ. From what I’ve seen, strict parents/societies create sneaky, rebellious kids. I’m not sure what you and @lordgains are referring to by “authoritarian” upbringing. I’ll give an example of what I refer to as “strict parenting”. Back in the states one of my closer friends had what would denote evangelical parents. The mother wouldn’t let this individual out of her sight, wouldn’t let this individual drive when it was legal to do so (ditto with R rated movies/restricted videogames), wouldn’t let him/her date. More/less this person had incredibly invasive restrictions clouding over him/her day and night.
The kid ended up being one of the most mischievous out of all my friends (that’s really saying something). This hasn’t been a sole observation. “Authoritative” parenting (i.e instilling moral fundamentals, setting obvious boundaries like don’t use drugs/alcohol when you’re a kid) is a no-brainer. Hellicopter parenting (in my terminology “strict” parenting) is where issues arise from my POV.
As to kids not knowing about porn/sex? Good luck… Not knowing about porn at 9-10 is one thing. Reaching the age of 14-15 without knowing about sex in my opinion isn’t normal. When puberty hits, it’s probably time to have that talk. One could bring up the child devoutly religious and keep him/her within the confines of said community. This could shield the child from vice until adulthood. Unfortunately I’ve found these people, once venturing out into the secular world tend to be preyed upon as they’re easily manipulated.
Interesting, as this wasn’t/isn’t the case with me. I was also raised with boundaries but ended up experimenting with drugs (for the most part when I was no longer a minor), watching pornography from mid/late teens, I ate non mosher food, I have quite a few tattoos and more. I was adamantly told not to look into any of this, particularly the tattoos. From the age of seventeen onwards I began to develop my own opinions. At this point I live by myself, I have a relatively good relationship with my family despite the fact we don’t see eye to eye. Politically I’m on the opposing spectrum comparative to my father. I love and respect my parents to bits, but we don’t agree on everything. That’s okay…
You can’t fake a baptism though. It’s a physical procedure.
Where I live this is so rare. These churches that are traditional don’t even have churches anymore. They sit in small groups in houses. The big Catholic Church in Germany (belonging to the Vatican) is a big bloated institution of simps with our new Pope, the überSimp at the top of it. Nothing in this Catholic Church is catholic anymore or at least not enough people working there to make a difference.
I’ll be eager to join such a traditional institution some day in the future, for now I’ll try to deal with the shenanigans.
Also… When referring to parenting, what age bracket are we talking about? Is this KIDS (like, really young… Below 13) or are we referring to parenting adolescents (14-19)
I wouldn’t be using Vladmir Putin as an example regarding the fight against societal degeneracy. He lives like a king in a massive palace whilst a large portion of his comrades starve in mass poverty with lack of access to food, clean water or healthcare. I somehow doubt a man with a life as luxurious as his is free of vice @loppar can probably give some insight here though.
Kinda like Rodrigo Duterte railing on about the degeneracy associated with drug addiction yet reports indicate he might have a tiny issue with fentanyl himself.
First unreal, spot on about porn. I wouldn’t use the term “I’d prefer for you to do x” with my kids though.
There a terminology mistake here on your part I think but it doesn’t matter. “Helicopter parenting” is as far as I know the same as “overprotective parenting”. Authoritative or strict parenting, which are synonymous, is that you tell your child to do x and if not there will be harsh consequences. You set boundaries very clearly with no wiggle room. You love your child and support it but you draw clear lines. You also let it drive, especially motorcycles if it’s a boy, as that is manly. Not letting your kid drive is not authoritative, it’s overprotective.
You draw lines around moral questions, not draw lines wherein they can move without getting hurt.
If your child is easily manipulated you didn’t prepare it for the world adequately or didn’t let it make mistiakes. Both im not advocating for.
I think here, it is actually important. People tend to get way more conservative when they age. When I was 20 I was a liberal and thought there’s no clear good or bad, just let people do what they want. It is now clear to me that this is a recipe for disaster. I’m not advocating for punishment through governmental forces but for a strong cultural incentive to conform to conservative societal norms. These keep a society stable and alive. Everything else is bound to fail.
Actually I think it’d be fair game to tell my son “no” to riding a motorcycle. The road fatality statistics are off the charts.
You mention authoritative parenting and harsh consequences. At what point do you believe this is longer feasible? It’s a little bit difficult to punish a child when he/she is financially independent. For many this can be around the age of eighteen.
At that point you hope for the best. Financially independent is grown up as far as I see it. I’ll always be there for advice or to help but at that point it’s ones own decision.
Should also be noted. I don’t believe in letting people do whatever they want. I don’t like the prospect of gun ownership the way it is set up in the states amongst many things. Though laws in Australia regarding gun ownership are absolutely draconian.
At the same time I think it’s heinously stupid to throw someone in jail/ruin a life over the possession of say… A vial of testosterone. When referring to personal endeavours like this I fully back decriminalisation or flat out legalisation dependent on societal consequence associated with X vice. I believe there are bigger fish to fry and more productive allocations for government resources.
Well, I do like it and I’d wish for Germany to let its citizens own guns. A lot would be easier then.
Actually I’ll post tomorrow about a very very big issue as I see it. Population density. I think a few of the societal problems today can be explained by that.
I agree with this statement. The details is where I think it gets dicy and where we probably disagree. But I think we are on par enough to let that go for now
@lordgains there is a link in my profile to my blog that I never took seriously. There’s a contact form you can use if you ever want to talk shop or Catholicism.
HoW dArE yOu DiSaGrEe WiTh Me!!! Though if you look at my sentence afterwards I state I don’t agree with what Aus has done. I’d be more down for a model akin to New Zealand or Canada
I think incarceration/incurred criminal records ruin future economic prospects and potentially lead to a cascade of downstream consequences resulting in an unintentionally high rate of either reoffending or overt criminal activity.
I also believe high overdose rates as a byproduct of tainted product exist due to A: an illicit market B: lack of testing/safe use facilities.
By looking at data it appears nearly impossible to actually keep this shit off the streets. We need harm minimisation campaigns/public education campaigns with factual information. Not propaganda/lies that people tend to disregard. I’d argue a fair portion of casual cocaine users in particular would be taken back and potentially put off over the cardiotoxicity associated with use.
You should start it up again. Doesn’t have to be about bodybuilding. I’ve checked out the blog before, very interesting material.