The War on Drugs

Not particularly, there are many actions/activities that I find deplorable or don’t approve of; yet I’d be willing to tolerate/wouldn’t want penalty associated with said activities.

I find adultery/cheating on a spouse/SO deplorable (barring special circumstances), I don’t approve of gambling, horse racing (cruel), putting animals on display for entertainment (i.e SeaWorld), I don’t approve of unregulated captiolism. That being said I’d be willing to tolerate these aspects of society or otherwise accept that these elements are probably here to stay. Despite my percieved sense of morality, my personal preferences I don’t think I could justify a blanket ban on all of this. As a result I’d rather have the public decide.

That’s right. How DARE you think differently to me! BaCk Of tHe LiNe!!!

I wasn’t intending to insult you. If you prefer dictatorships to democracy that’s fine with me, though I don’t agree with the concept of a dictatorship as nearly all modern dictatorships have the same fundamental flaws. Extensive breaches of fundamental human rights, mass poverty/starvation, generally poor percieved quality of life within the generalised populace etc.

I have a few friends who actually think in a similar fashion, said friends advocate for communism; whereas (one) other advocates for right wing authoritarianism. My peer groups are fairly diverse, I like it this way as it allows me to open myself to new and differing perspectives. At this point, aside from this forum there are few I talk politics with as I find people tend to resort to ad hominem attacks or try put you down in a futile effort to try discredit harboured ideology. It’s an immature/juvenile approach of which signifies an inability to have a coherent conversation with someone who thinks differently.

There are many ideas of which may sound nice in theory, but when applied and exposed to all the external variables within the real world things don’t pan out. You can’t just “force” say eighty percent of the population in line with religious rule. The push back would be extensive. As @mnben87 has said, with a homogeneous population this might work. Even then, from looking at covid response within religious communities and draconian, nonsensical legislation instated, human rights abuses, religious extremism etc I’m inclined to think a new modern era theocracy wouldn’t pan out well.

As to those who participate in activities you find deplorable (drug dealing, adultery, production of pornography, bullying/extensively manipulating others for personal gain). Do you advocate for extreme avenues in effort to combat these issues (death penalty)? You’ve alluded to this before, I’m just not sure if you were referring to the death penalty or long stints in prison.

You’d probably require a dictatorship for this kind of policy to be instated. However dictatorships tend to have tyrannical leaders of which even when drunk on power can’t be voted out.

If you do advocate for the death penalty for said actions. How can you justify such extreme, barbaric and cruel punishment if as a result a fairly large swath (say 1-2% of the population +) may be put down as a result. The Phillipines has enacted the death penalty for drug users/sellers. As an example this has led to tens of thousands of deaths, many of which comprise of extra judicial killings. Many of those shot to death as a result aren’t related to the drug trade, kind of like a modern era Salem witch trials. What’s more, harsh laws haven’t altered the prevalence of the issue they’re trying to combat

Assault, rape, theft, animal cruelty, murder, and so on, have been with us since the dawn of man, and we criminalize them despite them being “here to stay”.

You imply because something is here, it can’t be criminalized, dealt with, or discontinued. That you don’t want some things banned or criminalized aligns with your sense of right and wrong (morality) too.

I don’t have faith in the 80 percent, the masses, as a social force considering ordinary people are conformist, sheep-like, gullible, and yield to peer pressure. I don’t put faith in herd rule. It appears you do. The rule and trends we have in the Anglosphere are forced too. That’s how the world works: imposed will.

I don’t think I can equate gambling, adultery etc to rape, murder, assault etc

Apples to oranges. You can’t compare a punch in the face to getting shot…

Does it? As I’ve said I find certain activities deplorable, however the ramifications associated with said activities don’t weigh up with many currently criminalised offences. How can I compare adultry to stabbing someone to death? It’s not a comparable offence by any means. If you believe otherwise, I’d like you to highlight why this is the case.

Not exactly, rather I’m not of the opinion that I definitively know better than everyone else. I tend to agree regarding this observation

Though I also believe the average Joe is more likely to reach a middle ground re many controversial topics as opposed to you or I who reside within diametrically opposed “extremes” pertaining to certain topics (though on the political spectrum I reside at “centre left”. I’d speculate you are either independent or teetering on far right. Would I be correct with my observation?)

I believe there is a happy medium, somehow I doubt society would be in a good place if the shots were being called from either of us.

Say you were able to try force eighty percent of the population in line. Don’t you think there would be pushback? Displays of disobedience leading to mass casualties?

I’m not qualified to call the shots.

Who is qualified to call the shots? Being a politician doesn’t inherently equate to knowing what’s best for everyone.

I think initiatives aside from public opinion ought to be based upon evidence based policy and experts from various departments.

For an example, you are a dietician (I think?). If there was a public health initiative being put in place with the effort being to alter public dietary habits for the better I’d think you’d have the ability to “call the shots” within this department. I don’t believe any single individual ought to be calling the shots, as is frequently the case with dictatorships.

Question. With age have you found a shift in conveyed political beliefs? If so, where did you reside on the political spectrum say… In your 20s as opposed to today? If you’ve noticed a stark change, what were the causative factors for these changes?

Also, do you have any decent snow pics from the winter storm that hit NYC about 1-2 weeks ago?

Hence I’ve noted only once in the past 23 years since turning 18, and I can’t even recall what year I did.

I’ll try to get a flick later.

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Pic of backyard from today. Sorry for any derail guys.

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Thank you, I’m a massive weather buff. I don’t talk about it on here as I believe it has the tendency to bore people; particularly when going into details regarding modelling, the dynamics of various weather systems etc.

Extreme weather events fascinate me, to the extent wherein I’ll sometimes drive out into hazaderous weather and film it if/when I get the chance. I have a fantastic story about driving out into a severe thunderstorm, getting out and filming it; getting pelted by hail the size of half dollars, running back into my car and driving away.

Snow/freezing rain is my favourite type of precipitation. I miss the snow, during the winter months one can take a drive up into the mountainous terrain for snow but accomodation is very expensive.

anyhow, thanks for the pictures; it looks beautiful… I’m jealous

back to the topic at hand

@lordgains @BrickHead

What’s this?

Could it be?

An invitation to derail @unreal24278’s thread?

(Made sure there were no injuries associated with the train pic)

You can continue your conversation here if you’d like to. It’s certainly an interesting one.

I might comment later. It’s apparent that I consider the topic both fascinating and infuriating at the same time!

Punch back sir!!!

I can see how you’d find this topic infuriating given personal vendettas you may harbour. You’ve stated your father was negligent and/or emotionally absent growing up. I extend my sympathies in a respectful manner.

It should be noted not all marriages are perfect. Whilst a child raised within the dynamic of a nuclear family is statistically more likely to proposer, challenges still exist within the concept of barring no fault divorce; and a married couple doesn’t inherently equate to a happy couple.

It can be difficult to bring to light convincing evidence of abuse. Without the concept of no fault divorce scenarios can and will exist wherein one partner is trapped within the toxic wreckage of an abusive relationship.

What is one to do if they legitimately fall out of love?One can’t always “make it work”. At what age do you propose one is realistically mature enough to get married. Maternal mortality rates are generally lowest for women in their early 20’s through to early 30s. Women aren’t in “prime condition” to give birth in terms of absolute risk during adolescence/late teens (18-19 is still “adolescence”)

I firmly believe one aspect that made early marriage work back in the day with the prospect of sexual relations. With modern societal constructs in place it isn’t feasible to expect an adult to stay celibate until 25+, or even 30, 35 etc.

I didn’t pick up on the latter. Rather I thought you were passionate regarding your point of view. You didn’t resort to ad hominem attacks at any point in time, nor did you step out to bring up irrelevant facts or (as you call them) strawman arguments.

Continuing my response. The rate of domestic violence in Afghanistan is skyrocketing! What do you have to say about that?

It’s not infuriating for that reason. The assault on the family unit, the vulgarization and debasement of society, and men mistreating other men over the topics are.

Please extrapolate if you feel comfortable doing so.

Are we referring to a detachment from traditional sociocultural values or an issue with our modern core dynamic (i.e pop culture, social media etc). If the latter, I’d argue safeguards exist to shield young eyes. Perhaps said guards ought to be taken more seriously as opposed to ridding everything from society that isn’t appropriate for a child or young teenager.

What do you propose as an alternative? In a percieved utopian ideal, what kind of music, film/entertainment and pop culture would be on the menu?

How would I listen to masterpieces like Cardi B’s WAP (saw/heard this yesterday at a restraunt/bar… My jaw practically hit the floor regarding how explicit the music video/lyrics were. I’ve heard preteens singing the lyrics to this. I’d never seen the whole song as to put it in context). Should be noted in Aus music videos typically air uncut. “Clean” and “explicit” variations of music videos exist.

They don’t. Hence the risk of my own children seeing pornography at as young as 9 to 11 is significant.

I’ll be back later.

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There are various countries that are trying/have put up significant safeguards to deter children from accessing pornography.

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I’m aware of this, as well as Russia smacking down on it. Good.

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They’re not smacking down on anything. ADULTS can still view the material if they wish to. Adults are the demographic of which pornography is aimed at, children are unfortunately caught in the crossfire.

As to whether cracking down will work? Debatable, magazines etc will still be available; curious adolescents will always pry. Though I’d argue a playboy magazine is a far cry away comparative to hardcore pornography.

The problem I have with “cracking down” is that it genuinely doesn’t appear to work. I’ve yet to see clinical data backing the notion stricter rules/regulations create obedient kids. Rather I find people turn to shady/unorthodox avenues to acquire what they would have otherwise found under regulated pretences. Growing up I’ve observed this with video games, music, porn, alcohol/drugs, vaping, junk food and more. Kids want what they can’t have. As opposed to setting strict, rigid boundaries and creating a mysterious allure perhaps factual, non-biased and informative discourse would be a better alternative?

Regarding the music video I mentioned earlier, Russel Brand has some fairly interesting commentary on the matter.

Apparently you and I have observed differently. And considering I’m 41 years old and live in one of the most ethnically and socioeconomically diverse areas on earth (more income inequality than apartheid-era South African, I’ve seen enough. And that is, that families raised with appropriate discipline, training, education, and guidance generally had good outcomes and those without had bad outcomes.

We’ve gone over all this that you wrote already. As said, people can write and write, or talk until their blue in the face on the matter.

Care to tell me how I can in some way have open discourse with my daughter in the future about porn featuring three or more men sodomizing a woman, hitting her, ejaculating on her, using expletives and using words like “—- dumpster”?

Btw, Putin has several times spoke out against degeneracy, on his value of the family unit, and the garbage coming out of Hollywood.

Porn producers actually do target underage people, not to mention the fetishization of underage-presenting characters in some films (Eg, making women appear 13 years old and having a respective plot to tap into the dark fantasies of perverts).

I will be gone for rest of today as I will spend evening with my family.

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