The problem with containing any ort of virus or disease in a place like India is they way that poor people live in the cities, crowded slums with all one room houses side by side, no plumbing, often 10+ people in one house. There is no way to contain anything.
That’s exactly what happened to worker dorms in Singapore. Go look at the amount of cases now.
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They couldn’t sustain it because it was simply impossible, after a month of being stuck inside how many people would die of hunger or starvation? The plan was unrealistic from the start, even New Zealand and other western dictatorships still allowed people to go out and buy food. India shut down all the stores.
Exactly. That’s why I said lockdowns are a “luxury” for richer countries.
India was wasn’t lockdowned like Wuhan. They didn’t shut down all stores, only the small ones run by self proprietors. The large stores were open.
The problem with all this talk about “cases” is that it doesn’t really mean anything, this is a virus that doesn’t produce symptoms in 86% of people (UK study) and has a death rate around 0.13% (according to WHO). The concern is deaths and severe illness. Here in Canada the “cases” are at an all-time high but hardly anyone is dying, few people are in hospital. I don’t see what the big deal is, people don’t freak out about the flu but it kills people too.
I don’t know if richness is the determining factor, being well organized and prepared like China is the main thing to make it work.
From what I heard and read in the news, everything was closed and people were not allowed outside on the street. There were videos circulating online showing people being beaten by police just for being outside. The only place to get food was from the government. This was back in April or March and I’m not sure exactly how long it lasted but evidently it didn’t work out as planned.
You need the financial reserves and manpower to do execute it, China has both.
Nah, the government was giving food to those who couldn’t work and had no money to buy food. We’re talking about odd job laborers here who live on payments from day to day. The lockdown was the same as in the rest of Asia, just that India has a large amount of impoverished people… It was all similar to New Zealand. And, yeah, the cops were beating people up because that’s what cops in shitholes in Asia do lol. I wasn’t exaggerating when I wrote about police brutality where I used to live in the other thread.
Think about it, How could the government possibly have been handing out food to all middle and upper class citizens? Surely these guys bought their food supplies from somewhere. Almost 1/4 of the population is upper middle class or upper class. That’s 300 million people.
Lol… western dictatorships. New Zealand is far more progressive/ less authoritative than the United States federal government.
Studies contradict one another regarding the percentage of those presenting with symptoms. A family member of mine died (50s, relatively healthy), another was put on oxygen… another (teenager) is currently short of breath
Is Aus the fatality rate is closer to 2%, and around .4-.5% when taking aged care outbreaks out of the equation. It should be noted overall fatality rates depend on a countries capacity for hospitals to harbour critically ill patients.
Covid-19 is considerably more dangerous than the flu. I suggest you read more literature on this subject. Particuarly the cardiac damage noted, the prospect of long covid, covid-19 mediated cytokine storm in those critically ill, potential complications revolving around ace 2 overexpression and more. This isn’t the flu…
Many of those who recover, including one of my family members have incurred permenant damage. You might be alive with 30% lung capacity, but what quality of life is going to be seriously impeded.
Furthermore, during bad flu seasons alone hospitals become overwhelmed and unable to cater towards those presenting with serious medical ailments.
Not a single family member of mine (absent of genetic predispositions) has been asymptomatic, as a matter of fact they’ve all gotten very sick and claimed it’s “worse than the worst possible flu you could ever imagine”. None of those afflicted were senior citizens.
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Jacinda’s pretty hot.
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She is attractive
It’s interesting how many seem to think covid is relatively benign as a result of the disease having not seriously impacted anyone close to them. Wait till it kills off or seriously maims a family member, a friend, a romantic partner etc.
Is it overblown? Probably, but look at the death rates in the USA/Europe, it’s fairly evident this isn’t the seasonal flu given the death rate alone in comparison to the average flu season.
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They couldn’t go out to buy food, they had to have it delivered (by the government I believe, maybe there were private companies too) but they had more choice because they were paying for it unlike the poor people.
Taking away everyone’s guns and quarantining the country is less authoritative than the US?
The main difference is that it spreads more easily. The WHO says that over 760 million people have been infected with COVID but only 1 million have died (including those who died “with” COVID rather than as a result of it) which puts the death rate at approximately 0.13%.
Your family must have weak immune systems.
I work in a nursing home, there was a COVID outbreak in the spring, all residents were infected and 10 died. A few years ago there was a flu outbreak and everyone was infected, 10 residents died. It’s very similar.
Yes… New Zealand doesn’t order unmasked federal officers to drag random people off the streets. You can acquire firearms in New Zealand with relative ease, merely regulations on assault weapons were tightened. Owning a gun/not being able to isn’t indicative of a tyrannical state. The USA is the only secular country I know of wherein citizens for whatever reason believe gun ownership is a right as opposed to a privilege. I can think of so many unstable basketcases I directly know of residing in the USA who have no business owning guns, yet have managed to acquire arsenals.
In response to a brief lockdown, NZ is practically covid free and citizens may leave as they wish so long as they quarantine upon return.
What an ignorant and factually incorrect statement to make. Immune function within my family is on par. I also know others within the USA who have caught it. These people weren’t related to me, all were symptomatic, I suppose they also have compromised immune systems.
Go speak to ER docs working shifts in covid clogged hospitals. As a matter of fact, if you’re so sure it’s benign you ought to volunteer to help out if possible.
Working in one nursing home isn’t an adequate substitute for the pool of data that exists
We currently have 42 million confirmed cases worldwide and 1.2 million deaths. Chances are the actual case load is substantially higher, though likely not 750 million
Covid 19 is not the flu, it’s mechanism of entry isn’t comparable in the slightest.
Covid latency period is around 14 days. Many test positive and are asymptomatic at the time, only to come down with symptoms one to two weeks later.
The WHO states 760 million MAY a have been infected, I highly doubt this is the case. It’s also highly plausible deaths go by unreported in third world countries without adequate access to healthcare, media/adequate means of documentation.
You do realize that hardly anyone was being tested until recently, right?
It’s also highly plausible that many “COVID deaths” are not due to COVID at all:
If it is then how are they all symptomatic when studies show that 86% have no symptoms?
I know lots of people who had it, some had symptoms, some died, many had no symptoms at all. Even some elderly nursing home residents had no symptoms.
Yeah they just arbitrarily decide to lock down the whole country instead.
Come on man, use your common sense. How can this even be remotely possible in a country with a population of 1.3 billion people? Perhaps they did this in certain hotspots like Malaysia did but seriously, come on… You think the Indian government is in any way, shape or form capable and efficient enough to undertake something as massive as this? If this were the case, they would be a First World country right now and every single one of their leaders is a certified genius. Even the CCP wouldn’t be able to pull this off.
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Are you confusing it with this?
"The economic package gives grains like rice or wheat and lentils to 800 million people or two-thirds of the country. "
“The announcement of the lockdown led thousands to scurry to stock up on food rations and medicine, despite repeated announcements by the government that supply lines will be kept open.”
No, and that is why it was a complete failure.
Did you not read the 2nd link? It lists all essential services allowed to remain open.
This is essentially what New Zealand and other countries in South Asia did other than the stopping of public transport. This was to prevent mass movement of migrant workers who were trying to return to their villages without work available.
Yeah I was trying to figure out exactly what had happened and it seems that most food sold out very fast as soon as the lockdown was announced, which explains why even when people had money available they had problems getting food.
Instead they walked, often hundreds of kilometres.
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Yeah, the Indian government is both corrupt and filled with dumbasses. There’s a reason why these countries stay poor.
The handouts of grains were like cash handouts but cheaper, although they also did hand out some cash. It wasn’t meant to feed the population, just to score political points. NGOs had to go distribute food to the really poor people.
I get the impression that it’s more that they don’t care about poor people rather than just stupidity alone.
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I think it’s a combination of both from what Malaysia has shown us. Politicians are scum and most career politicians aren’t very bright, with a couple of exceptions of course.
^This was the ex-Prime Minister. These idiots thought they were untouchable so they did things so overtly stupid everyone in their right minds knew about what was going on.
Ironically, they even fucking partially funded The Wolf of Wall Street LMAO but got a good return on that investment.
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