This won’t happen to Australia.
Come on, man. You equate dedicated temporary quarantine facilities in Canada to “steps away from Gulags” lol.
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The Canadian government is now trying to deny their plans to build quarantine facilities and changing their story since that got out.
They’re hockey camps.
Anybody that says otherwise just isn’t very Canadian.
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I think we have a job for you:
Canadian military wants to establish new organization to use propaganda, other techniques to influence Canadians
It’s not propaganda if they just put a couple of hockey players in them.
Completely legit. 
Isn’t that a good sign?
There are a lot of factors to consider with regards to corona virus, the size of our countries and what that entails. First, the USA tests more by population way more than most countries with a large population and have conducted more tests total than anybody else, by far. So we are going to find more cases, many of which are symptomless. Further, a huge portion of our death rate was due to the whole nursing home fiasco. Which wasn’t the will of the people, but a government mandate. Hence the death rate in those places soared making the situation actually worse over all, and seem worse from a numbers standpoint, while being relatively much less harmful to the population at large. Meaning, subtracting the numbers from the deliberate nursing home fiasco, the disease is by in large, mostly survivable for most of the population.
All this to say, that here, the lockdown mandate did probably more to kill people, then if there were no mandates or lock downs. This is not to say that a 2 week lock down wasn’t necessary to stabilize the numbers to not overwhelm the hospitals. But continuing lockdowns appear to be counter productive in the disease itself. And devastating to the largest economy in the world.
All this to say, I will always choose freedom over security. I would rather die from corona, than live in fear of it. Living in fear is just death with a pulse.
The U.S. Federal response was fine. What drove our numbers to the moon were in fact the state lockdowns and the afore mentioned nursing home fiasco. Roughly 61,675 deaths came from nursing homes, the majority occurring during the pre-phase 1 reopening. You subtract that from the total and it’s a quarter.
Nobody wants anybody to die. But I think most reasonable people realize that to live is to take risk. Compared to all the things that can kill us on a daily basis, covid is a relatively low risk, especially if you don’t carry high risk factors around personally. Hence, this is a long way to say that the draconian measures are not worth it.
Sure you may have very low cases right now, under strict guidelines, but any reasonable person knows that as soon as you open, the cases will jump. What do you do? Lockdown again? Only to re-open and have another case spike? The number one killer in the world is economic despair. Given the relatively low risk of mortality from the virus, is locking yourself into poverty worth it? I say, hell no, but you may think different.
Sure, as long as you stay in the current lock down you may have very few cases. But what happens when you do open up? You know there is going to be a spike. Do you lockdown again or do you bite the bullet?
Yeah, no shit. Was it there, where the police tackled a woman for not wearing a mask, coming to find out after she was beaten, she had a legit exemption
It’s the trend. My problem is that I don’t see a historical precedent, where a place trending towards authoritarianism didn’t become fully authoritarian. Perhaps, yall could be the first. Germany didn’t become authoritarian overnight, it trended slowly towards it. And it didn’t or doesn’t happen for no reason. It’s always the result of a crisis exploited.
That’s a right worth fighting for. You could start a movement toward a constitutional amendment! Well, you could. That is of course assuming your government functions like a democratic-republic. I have been to Brisbane, I have seen the layout of the buildings be just like ours.
Yeah, I am not a fan of violence. You can get a lot done with peacefully protesting and a little civil disobedience. Just occupying the capitol grounds with tons of people united for a cause, refusing to leave is plenty effective. Violence is counter productive, it makes the state look like the good guys.
It also gave the government no fear of it’s populous. While I am against violence, I understand the need for revolution when a political class is irreparably broken. With you bent towards authoritarianism already in the works, you have no means by which to make a last stand. I don’t consider this a good thing.
Aus/US covid testing rates per capita as of Oct 20 2020 were comparable
Same with Aus.
Are you sure? Australia has opened up after harsh lockdowns, over the past two days we’ve recorded zero cases, as a nation. We have extensive contact tracing, quarantine protocol, sanitary measures in public and more. As SOON as a case breaks out authorities and healthcare professionals are all over it. Clusters will break out occasionally, but we have the ability to keep communicable transmission eliminated with intelligent, quick, efficient contact tracing and mandated isolation for those infected.
American economy isn’t doing too well regardless
Really? Death/case rates are at (from what I believe) currently a record high and there’s no sign of them tapering off anytime soon.
Aus is more or less open now. Still no cases. Aus had 27K cases total, 900 deaths and is recording 0 cases + 0 deaths per day. The USA has 9.3 million case and 231K deaths. The USA has roughly 10x more inhabitants, is recording 100k cases per day and 500-1k deaths per day. Aside from Victoria other states were only locked down for a total of 6 wks. The USA still has Trump touting the US is at a turning point wherein the numbers are about to drop and/or that the virus will just “disappear”. If you dispute this I will post a hefty portion of quotes consisting of the US president downplaying the virus and stating it’ll disappear spanning over February 2020 all the way to October 2020.
Probably, Victorian police have made a right ass out of themselves during covid-19. Police powers in Aus are quite extensive, though more and more cases of police misconduct have been brought to trial following the protests regarding the murder of George Floyd.
No, we have generalised freedom to speak our minds in public so long as we don’t outwardly preach hate/speech that incites violence. I’m okay with this, I don’t think you should be able to go out in public for a neo-nazi/KKK rally.
Do you really think the American populace could make a stand against the millitary/federal government? A tank/missiles or a nuclear bomb would easily wipe out a resistance. The federal government could also cut power, access to food/water etc and wipe out resistance without even resorting to violence.
Owning a gun under the pre-tense of being able to excise control over a tyrannical government is IMO merely a fallacy/gives the owner the illusion of having control. If you want to own a gun for recreation (and you’re allowed to), own a gun because you like guns… enough said. Collectors licenses exist in Aus, we even have gun clubs for those that simply like firearms
Have you seen the movie goon? It’s about a bouncer recruited to play ice hockey. His job is to beat the crap out of plays on opposing teams players whenever he’s brought out onto the field. It’s hilarious
From watching some of the fights that break out on the rink the film doesn’t appear to be that far off lol. They’re a tough bunch
#hockey
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Goon is definitely one of my favorite sports films!
Also, yes very realistic in terms of the last 40 years of hockey violence lol
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They made a sequel (haven’t seen the sequel yet).
No, but I’m aware of that role in hockey. A former co-worker was a goon in minor league hockey. He couldn’t skate very well, and his stick handling was so-so, but he was 6’6, about 270 lbs. and could hit like a truck.
His career ending injury was when he broke the bones in his hand off of somebody’s head. No dukes, no job.
He was a pretty shit welder too though.
You know what sucks about welding… when a little piece of hot metal falls into your gloves/boots and you can’t get it out.
It is, but it would have been better if the government was open about their plans from the start. Right now I’m not sure what to believe, but obviously they see that something like that won’t go over well.
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I mean the mere fact if your government was even afraid people would know they were planning something that lots of other democratic countries implement and don’t consider authoritarian shows that you’re probably doing fine.
In Asia, the people actually WANT this and the governments are probably doing it only because they would be accused of not doing their jobs if they didn’t. I know the governments in Malaysia and Indonesia would have been happy to have let people reach herd immunity because they have no money for all these measures including prolonged lockdowns.
If you don’t believe me, go look at their initial responses. They were telling people to “pray the virus away” and take traditional medication.
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https://themalaysianreserve.com/2020/10/14/pm-another-round-of-mco-will-hurt-the-economy/
““Do not hope for MCO to happen again as the burden was enormous,” he said at a special press conference in Putrajaya yesterday.”
MCO = Movement Control Order (lockdown)
@unreal24278 @chris_ottawa look at the wording lol. “Do not hope…”. See what I mean?
Locking down is a “luxury” afforded to richer countries.
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The only reason Canada can afford more lockdowns is because we have a prime minister who says the budget will balance itself.
India and South Africa are rich in your opinion?
I’m talking about prolonged, country wide lockdowns with enough manpower available to enforce them. Look at the cases in India now and tell me those are “real” lockdowns.
When India first locked down they made everyone stay home for a month. One of my co-workers came back from India a couple weeks before that happened and his wife was stuck there, it was a very bad situation. There was a government agency that was supposed to deliver food to people who have nothing to eat but apparently nobody was picking up the phone when you call. I’m not sure what exactly they have going on there right now, but India probably had the most severe lockdown of anywhere other than Wuhan.
No, they did something similar to the rest of South Asia but they couldn’t sustain it. When Asia does a lockdown, it’s a REAL lockdown.