One study shows 86% had no symptoms at the time of testing positive… shocker considering long viral latency period.
For good reason, they’ve effectively eradicated covid-19. They’re open now, citizens can do as they please. Hell, they can even travel over to Europe and/or the USA if they wish to.
Unlikely, oxidative stress mediated via Covid-19 (many downstream mechanisms/pathways at play here) can precipitate arrhythmia, thrombosis, myocardial infarction etc. If an old person acquires covid and dies of a heart attack/arrhythmia, it’s probably covid that killed them. ARDS isn’t the only mechanism by which covid-19 can kill. Hell, covid-19 causes viral cardiomyopathy with ease in comparison to the flu. If anything it’s the opposite, and many deaths induced by covid go by unreported.
You aren’t linking clinical literature or articles with sources linked back to published data either, just media articles without references (aside from the one study regarding 86% asymptomatic rate)
Not true either. Perhaps in certain third world countries, but many secular countries have been conducting mass testing for a while now. In Aus the test rate per capita is around 400 per 1000 inhabitants. We know how many cases we have and we know how many deaths are attributed to covid-19. The mortality rate is far higher than the seasonal flu even when taking aged care outbreaks out of the equation. Health ramifications following recovery also appear to be more severe in comparison to the generalised seasonal flu.
This isn’t to say the flu can’t kill and/or lead to serious long term complications (respiratory damage, Guillain barre syndrome etc)
98-99% were Bangladeshi migrant workers 20s to 40s. So all relatively healthy, non-smokers, got lots of exercise etc. ALL workers were tested according to credible sources.
Singapores death rate remains low due to access to services required to treat covid-19. Those afflicted above the age of 45 are sometimes taken to hospital regardless of current status. If we look at statistics stemming from other countries without such luxuries the death rate amongst young people is considerably higher than that of the flu, and it’s FAR higher than the flu for those above 65 and/or with co-morbidities.
Pre-existing conditions don’t merely pertain to insanely obvious shit like cancer or heart disease. Diabetes, hypertension, being overweight/obese etc all dramatically factor in as risk factors regarding increased mortality rates in response to infection.
Let me ask you. What percentage of the Western population is obese? What percentage are hypertensive, diabetic etc. It isn’t exactly a minority.
I was arguing with an older gentleman about the severity of covid-19. He is certain he will be fine if he catches it as he isn’t old (late 40s). But he is overweight, hypertensive, pre-diabetic, eats badly, is sedentary, drinks regularly and smokes cigars (and cigarillos… imo cigarillos are glorified cigarettes. You use them to fool yourself that you aren’t smoking, but come on… you’re probably inhaling)
Yes, I know. I’m just saying figures can be skewed.
IIRC only 2 Bangladeshis died. That makes the death rate for their demographic alone… get this…
0.003%
Also, the hospitals were overwhelmed. They built makeshift hospitals in 3 locations because of the number of cases to house over 30,000 patients but they were more like quarantine centers since most were asymptomatic.
Seriously, you can google all this if you don’t believe me lol.
Another concerning prospect of covid-19 is the markers of cardiac damage evident in some asymptomatic patients. What is the long term significance of this? I don’t condone shutting down society for months on end, but I also don’t think the USA should be hosting rallies and concerts during their current predicament.
The American populace can’t be compared to healthy, migrant workers performing rigorous manual labour. People in Donald Trump’s shape get very sick. Hell, Donald had to be given supplemental oxygen twice, was administered dexamethasone AND he was given experimental treatments… Then he comes out to say “don’t let covid control you, it’s nothing to fear” etc… absolute fuckwit he is
But even if you count death rate in Bangladesh, it’s around 1.5%. That’s taking the really shitty healthcare system they have into account. However, like India, they did LOTS of testing so they have more reported cases than most other countries.
I’d think the eventual death rate will settle around 0.4-0.5 percent when taking into account all age demographics. That’s my estimation. Deadlier than the flu, but a far cry away from the original SARS.
Young, healthy people aren’t typically prone to serious complications (though some do get unlucky, same with all coronaviruses/influenza)… But they can spread it like wildfire over to those who are at risk.
Covid-19 effects on male testicular function, is it permeant? What is the significance of potential cardiac damage induced? Why do some acquire “long covid”. There are many variables unanswered for.
Death rates/case rates and hospitalisation are out of control in Europe, South America and the USA. It’s unfortunate… I do agree it’s somewhat overblown, but not to the extent that many appear to believe (i.e it’s harmless, hospitals are empty etc).
And to those pushing films like plandemic… are you fucking kidding me, this consists of straight up conspiracy theories. Might as well believe in QAnon’s bullshit too… stop spouting and spreading misinformation.
Yes, my point is we don’t know the exact figures so arguing about “evidence” from here and “evidence” from there is pretty useless to me. All I know is that I have aged parents and I don’t want to spread the virus to them so I wear a mask and wash my hands. It’s that simple for me.
Go look at the death rate in the UK. It’s like 5%. It was like 10% before mass testing.
I totally skimmed through the last couple hundred posts and have no idea what’s really being talked about, but I have family in Venezuela and from Eritrea (that person is living in the U.S. but their family is still in Eritrea).
In both countries, the official number of cases/deaths seems like it’s too low, compared to what the people living there are witnessing daily.
Just an observation. Nothing official, but it’s firsthand in areas where it can hard to get firsthand info.
Yeah, completely get what you’re saying. It’s really hard to get accurate reports for something like this. I don’t trust stats from Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam and lots of other places myself.
Even if they aren’t fucking around with the numbers, the classifications also differ from country to country. I know Singapore doesn’t classify people who die from heart attacks as COVID deaths even though it was reported one migrant worker dude died due to this in his 30s while infected. The US seems to list everything as COVID deaths from what’s on the news.
No, of course not, it’s a fluid situation. But according to many “experts” including the WHO, lock downs are discouraged.
Just wait, it’s a fluid situation. Every time somebody thinks they are rising out of the muck, another spike hits. Of course, nobody really knows. I hope for yall’s sake, it’s stays down.
Boy I sure am pissed at China. They really deserve a nuke on Beijing. Not saying we should do it, but they deserve it. They have earns a harsh response.
What about riots?
I don’t see that represented in the data. Spikes happen and are going to keep happening. Nobody has the magic formula for this thing.
We also have a completely reckless, lying news media apparatus, that takes lying to levels never seen before. They lie so much, they make Trump look like he’s walking around with a sodium panthenol drip. He may be wrong or in error, but he tends to believe what he is saying most of the time. Reliable information for this or anything else, is at a premium and you usually have to go to the sited source if you want to know anything.
That sounds to me like you are not free to speak your mind. Where’s the line and who gets to decide what ‘hate speech’ is and what is okay? I am guessing, at this moment your thinking and speech represent the norm, but what happens if you change your mind? What happens when you disagree and you have no voice?
And I am so sick of the KKK\neo-nazi thing. There are so few of those people and they have been so marginalized that few even dare to step out of line. And the BLM rallies? The ones that devolve into chaos and rioting, frequently, murder and mayhem, you are okay with them?
Which would you rather have, a Nazi rally with little white people waving Nazi flags or BLM riots?
But I think it’s better one be free to express their true intentions.
Just as a matter of self preservation, you know who to stay away from. Suppression of that can unintentionally put you amongst some bad folks you want know part of, because you didn’t know up front, what they believed.
Yeah, freedom of speech means precisely that you have to put up with opinions you don’t like. You need that to express the opinions you do like. A slippery slope always slides to the bottom. And after you hit the bottom, there is no way back up.
We have a lot better chance armed than we do unarmed. We can put up a fight. You do not necessarily have to win outright conflict to send the message that the people will not comply with an authoritarian dictate. And that’s assuming the military, which is boldened to the people, would actually turn on the people. Noncompliance with a weapon lasts longer than non compliance without one.
One thing that ANTIFA and BLM did manage to prove is that it doesn’t take a lot of chaos and mayhem to destabilize an area. So, yeah the government can kill everybody, but who would they then rule?
Civil conflict has proven to be not as simple as warring armies. There are tactics and coercion and the erosion of trust. In the case of a final stand against authoritarianism, the armed citizen can stand much longer than the unarmed citizen. Hell, look at Venezuela. They disarmed the population and the people had no way to stand for themselves. When it comes down to it, liberty is preserved at the end of a gun, so it’s better to have one.
The WHO can be incorrect on occasion. Given the success garnered within Australia, even after large outbreaks in Victoria lockdowns may be the new precedent if proven to work for long periods of time.
Unlikely, NZ never had a large spike after practically eliminating covid-19. WA has recorded zero cases for months on end, VIC has recorded zero cases for 7 days now. I’m not advocating for elimination but in theory it does appear possible.
You ought to be pissed off at the Chinese government. Not otherwise innocent civilians. This is a barbaric idea given the level of civilian casualties that would amount.
Without communicable transmission riots aren’t a concern regarding spread.
quick google search. First wave was never surpessed, peaked out at around 70k cases/day. Currently at 107k cases/day. You guys have more confirmed cases/deaths than India, and I for one find that hilarious.
Said who? Prove it… Even Fox News doesn’t “lie” per se. Biased takes on politicised topics perhaps, but the US media isn’t propaganda laden as one would see in dictatorships. Donald Trump successfully plays towards paranoia, divisiveness and uncertainty by spouting misinformation and thus playing towards harboured fears. I’m watching a convention on the news wherein republicans are talking about mail in ballots. “how can we trust votes coming in AFTER the election”. What nonsense, the postal service has been purposefully tinkered with over the past few months; and I can actually link factual data to back this notion. As a result ballots are taking longer to arrive than would otherwise be expected. The dates on the registered ballots/tracking numbers potentially signed on said ballots should clear that right up
inb4 “voter fraud”. Look at the case numbers last election pertaining to how prevalent falsified ballots actually are. Virginia recorded something like “eight” fraudulent ballots. The claims of ballots being dumped in rivers and whatnot made by Donald Trump are bullshit.
Perhaps when you are publicly raving about a leader who killed six million jews in cold blood. When you deliberately go out to intimidate certain demographics, preach hate or directly incite violence. Dressing up as a wanna be member of the special forces and patrolling voting booths armed to the teeth seems like it ought to cross a line.
Are you kidding me… do you know how many people actually died during these protests… nineteen… These protests were IMO sensationalised, talk to someone who actually lives in Portland and here what they have to say.
Violence/riots also broke out partially in response to white supremacist/right ring extremist groups rocking up with the purpose of irritating the BLM crowd. I’m not pro BLM (though I am anti racism), but this spin of the riots/protests being entirely dependent on the left is irritating as hell. Many of those looting weren’t affiliated with any group, they just wanted an excuse to break things and steal.
Furthermore, of COURSE I’m not okay with rioting, stealing etc (if it’s without merit). IMO these recent protests went overboard, but police conduct didn’t exactly appear to be aimed towards situational de-escalation either.
No, you can still praise white supremacy/nazism on social media/on private residencies. You just can’t go out and hire public platforms to hold rallies for extremist groups. You can’t dress up as a klan member in public eye etc.
But you can’t, owning a gun gives you the facade of control. Over a legitimately tyrannical government (if it was as powerful as the American government) a resistance wouldn’t stand a chance.
Good luck fighting potentially without food, water, electricity, access to internet whilst being surrounded by vastly superior weaponry like tanks, missiles, aircrafts etc.
“Countries under lockdown should do what Singapore has done to blunt the spread of the coronavirus, according to an infectious disease expert working with the World Health Organization.”
To be fair, the people in charge in Singapore are efficient because of existing protocols already in place from the SARS outbreak.
Unfortunately, they’re also spellbindingly, mind-bogglingly stupid so I’m almost giving the WHO a pass on this one.
I called the very clear signs of exponential growth a week in advance in another thread around the same this article was published in an exchange with you if you still remember. I based this on simple math and common sense but I didn’t know their leaders were THAT stupid.
Example 2:
(I can’t find the original official recommendation but it was in early to mid feb.)
After this was announced, relatives in CHINA immediately called me and told me not to listen to them. CHINA.
Let that sink in.
They were still telling people not to AFTER the CDC told people to wear “face coverings” in April.
The media may not be lying, but they’re clearly either deliberately exaggerating or omitting things for clickbait and to pander to their audiences.
Example:
There was a report on a “clampdown on religion” in China that @pat and I were having an exchange about some time back. It turned out that all the CCP did was close down 5 churches out of over 10,000(actually it may be 50,000 I can’t recall the exact number just that it’s over 10K or more) ones for unknown reasons.
And I’ll bet any amount of money that the cross that got burnt was an accident or something due to stupidity from some of the lower ranking fellows who have most likely been sacked.
Also, Muslims have their own schools which are allowed to be run by Imams.
These are just short lists of Universities. I can’t be bothered to dig up how many Muslim and Christian educational institutions there are from primary level onwards.
I’m honestly not a fan of the media although I accept them as a necessary evil for at least some information and a free press is needed as a counter to government propaganda.
Agree more or less with the rest. Good post overall. Just adding my 2 cents.
I honestly don’t think so. He’s a salesman. They’re normally full of shit.
The media, on the other hand, shouldn’t be fighting bullshit with bullshit. It’s just shameful. Presidents come and go. The Free Press as an institution will remain and should maintain their integrity if they want to stay that way.
Dude, trust me, you won’t unless members of the military defect to the side of civilians. The only reason why you see people having the balls to wreck havoc without getting shot at is because they aren’t shooting at the cops in masses. If they call in the military and the military starts shooting, no one will stick around, I fucking guarantee you that. There will be no fight.
I’ve wondered about this for a while. Would people retreat, or would a small portion of people gather under the pretense of “muh freedoms” and shoot back. As a result the ‘resistance’, a few millitary personal and a portion of civilians would get wind up dead.
There’s footage of the unmarked, unidentified federal officers screaming at otherwise innocent civilians to go inside (USA). Said civilians are filming on their doorstep, federal goons start shooting and everyone runs inside.
It’s not that. If it gets to the point where the military is deployed, it means people have begun shooting and the cops can’t handle it.
People don’t know what a real military strike is like. Other than veterans, most will be scared shitless when they see trained soldiers doing what they do and they bring in the heavy artillery.
I believe POTUS was rambling on about deploying the millitary during these “deadly” protests fuelled by the “radical left”.
Donald Trump has identified as both democratic and independent before, and his stance on issues like abortion, gun control etc have flip flopped as he’s decided to suddenly identify as republican and run for president.
Part of me wonders if he chose republican candidacy because he sought after the largest demographic be could possibly find that’d follow him blindly. He was a master at marketing/PR, I’ll give him that.
He has a group of loyal supporters that’ll follow him to the grave if needed. He knew exactly which buttons to push in order to divide America to unprecedented rates within modern society.
Unfortunately I wouldn’t be surprised if we see more and more politicians taking a similar route to power via spreading misinformation and conspiracies, seeing which stick and doubling down.
It appears people don’t think for themselves, they see an article on Facebook or some clickbait website displaying a headline. This headline fits a certain perogative thus said individual is now going to spread it as fact without checking to see if said information is accurate… It’s infuriating.
I’ve had “plandemic” pop up on my Facebook page three times now. I’ve seen plandemic, it’s FuCkInG bUlLsHiT
