How harsh do you think the law should be on hard drug users?
I’m not for completely decriminalizing hard drug use but I know there’s a tipping point where you go overboard with the penalties and the option of someone getting a career and finding a loving woman diminishes to the level it’s almost impossible so the cycle either repeats itself indefinitely, or he just lives a very sad and shitty life, till he dies.
Just asking for an opinion. I don’t know the threshold myself.
For personal use related stuff like possession, As libby as it seems, I believe it should be treated as a psychological/health/medical issue. If crimes are committed in support of that behavior, the penalties should be the same.
Our HIPPA laws would protect the information pertaining to the drug use, so that wouldn’t necessarily be an impedance to employment, but a crime (stealing, robbing, uncontrolled/violent behavior) is a crime, and justice should be served for its victims.
For criminal enterprise–dealing and distribution and all that goes with it, sentencing guidelines should scale to the act. A kid selling quarter grams or what ever to make his money back on an eight ball isn’t a crack dealer running a trap house, and should be treated accordingly. Actually, pretty similar to how it is now, but applied more even-handed.
A kid with a few pills gets busted and acts like a punk to the cops. The arresting officer shows him what’s up by hammering him with charges. If the kid is fortunate and his family can afford an attorney, he will probably end up with rehab and fines/community service.
A kid from a poor family will do time. Sometimes quite a bit.
That type of practice makes spoiled brats that think they are untouchable out of stupid kids that kinda need an asswooping and hardened criminals out of petty dope dealers that are usually just trying to make a few bucks (the wrong way).
I’m kinda moving towards this thinking for first time offenders though I’m not sure about repeat offenders not avoiding punishment. I think there’s a need for some form of deterrent but like I said I don’t know the threshold. Perhaps it would make sense to compare it to seatbelt laws but with harsher punishments.
Also, users are unintentionally doing their part in the drug trade and potential abuse. Without demand, there wouldn’t be supply. With supply, there’s a higher chance of exposure for non-users and greater ease of getting supplies for existing users who may be trying to quit.
I guess it’s kinda hard to sort this out and I would be open to having my opinions changed as I don’t have personal experience. My experience is only limited to what I’ve seen happen to old friends.
That’s a good idea.
Shit, when I was a teen, we’d go in a group and beat up small time dealers who were selling drugs to friends who were trying to quit. It worked for independent dealers. But some of them were runners for the big players who were the gangs and they’d go get their people to come after us and we’d go to friends from another gang for protection and then we’d have to do something for their bosses* like sell illegal porn vcds or join the gang lol. It didn’t work for these guys.
Yeah, so this makes sense.
*They’d sit down and negotiate with their boss and make us apologize and buy drinks cos we were kids. I get how weird this all sounds but that’s the way we settled certain things. If you’ve watched those 90s HK gangster movies you’ll see an exaggerated form of this. Or maybe it’s not exaggerated there I wouldn’t know but they’re fucking realistic.
Isn’t this based dependent state legislature? In my state regardless of attitude/socioeconomic status having a few pills on you will almost certainly result in criminal penalisation (i.e a criminal record). You might not do time if you aren’t disadvantaged, but a hefty fine + criminal record is on the table unless you have a reasonable defence indicative the drugs weren’t in your possession and/or you weren’t aware of the drugs being in your possession.
What do you think about crack vs cocaine sentencing disparities (for possession). It would legitimately appear as if this is a method to penalise/discriminate upon those residing within lower socioeconomic demographics.
Do you believe cannabis should be legalised?
This is fantastic :), a HELL of a lot better than many (including myself) are currently faring.
100%, many frequently don’t think about/don’t wish to adknowledge the fact that money spent on drugs sourced go on to fund criminal syndicates who are involved in all sorts of nefarious shit. Particuarly cocaine, just about all of it has ties to large scale cartels and the exploitation of locals in poor villages growing cocoa plants to make a living.
Cutting out supply is very difficult, and when it does occur alternatives are found. This was the case with the development/marketing of synthetic cannabinoids, cocaine analogues, mdma substitutes etc. The pharmacokinetics regarding these synthetic analogues are frequently unknown as these drugs have never been trialled on humans. Toxicity profiles are unknown and sometimes these “designer” drugs tend to be far more toxic than the substances they’re derived from.
Have you tried designer steroids? I hypothetically did methylstenbolone when it was still legal in other countries and the post cycle symptoms were absurd. Hypothetically woke up in the middle of the night with calf cramps every other night for a week for 2. But it’s more powerful than tren from what I’ve heard. #natty4life
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No, wait, it wasn’t even post cycle symptoms since I hypothetically used it for a month at the start of a cycle with test. #stillnatty4life
There was a store selling methylstenbolone OTC around my area, they were also selling sarms. Never bothered purchasing any of it. Clinical data pertaining to SARMS vs dosages marketed for bodybuilding differ immensely, and dyslipidemia induced via clinical dosages is quite extensive. From the bloodwork I’ve seen SARMS appear to seriously fuck up cholesterol on par with c-17 aa anabolic steroids. M-sten is also quite toxic, a few case reports detailing intraheptic cholastasis stemming from very acute use at relatively low dosages exist. Quite jarring given I don’t think use was all that widespread.
I think they were shut down a couple months back. Many of these designer steroids are far more potent than testosterone/common derivitaves. That’s really saying something as testosterone is quite potent in relation to its ability to pack on size.
I tried an analogue of DHEA once. Does that count? 1-dhea, theoretically through various metabolic pathways it’d eventually convert to dihydroboldenone, but there’s so much back and fourth going on that it’d probably only amount to a 1-2% conversion rate if that.
There was one study regarding the stuff indicating it’s effective/adds lean mass at an accelerated rate as compared to controls. It also had many signature side effects associated with anabolic steroids within the study (dyslipidemia, renal strain etc). I took it for around 13 days, procured it over the counter. Didn’t notice anything
The results are MINDBLOWING from what I’ve heard. Vascularity, hardness, lbm gain etc. But I felt like my head was going to explode everyday after 1 week. #mikeohearnefansoimnatty
I have no idea what that is tbh. Need to ask @Aragorn.
You’ve probably seen it marketed as 1-andro after androstenedione/androstenediol and associated analogues were banned.
Did you check blood pressure? This can be a symptom of significant hypertension
Did you/your friends hypothetically keep the LBM accrued? Or was it predominantly glycogen retention
I’d never be interested in something like msten, far too toxic.
Oh, that’s what Biotest used to sell. I used it before. It was called “Androsol”. But it was in spray form that was supposed to be absorbed through the skin. I’m not going to comment on it here.
Yes. It was that good. That’s not to say there wasn’t lots of glycogen retention. But the side effects aren’t worth it. I hypothetically tapered up from a low dose to less than the recommended dose and I don’t get any adverse side effects from any kind of normal roids other than deca. I can’t imagine people abusing it at pro level amounts. #nattybrah #roidsr4losers
You mean your FRIEND used it before #autocorrect
Has your friend ever had cardiac parameters/generalised health checked out. If your friend has a prolonged history of anabolic steroid use it might be a good idea to have some cardiac imaging conducted, perhaps get a plaque score, bloodwork to assess renal function etc just to see if any serious damage has been incurred.
Sometimes the first sign of serious AAS mediated toxicity is sudden cardiac death. It appears unique in that many of those with AAS induced cardiomyopathy appear to be asmyptomatic. They aren’t always short of breath, coughing up blood and retaining like 20lbs of fluid etc as you’d expect of someone with a weakened heart (until end stage, irreversible dialated cardiomyopathy develops)
Drugs like msten absolutely wreck lipids. Acutely this isn’t a big deal, but the cumulative effect (say using orals for 12 weeks per year over 15 years) can be quite significant. Esp if HDL/LDL ratios are like 70:1, and this does happen.
There is an apt body of data indicative cumulative dosing/exposure is directly correlated to the development/progression of atherosclerosis, and this is not all directly mediated by dyslipidemia. Elevated homocysteine, CRP, generalised oxidative stress all play a role. Vascular calcification may be induced via a direct effect of androgen receptor binding within artierial walls.
Nah, I did them for 3 years in my early twenties and then my mid thirties for around 3 years or so. Can’t remember exactly how long. Just ballpark figures. I stopped training for 9 years because of work. Took msten like 4-5 years ago. I’ve not been on anything for a couple of years, not even TRT and intend to stay natty till I get symptoms of low test. #thisisallfiction
Good genetics if full HPTA recovery is apparent.
Msten is actually just the c17aa methylated version of masteron on a DHB frame with the addition of a methyl group at the second carbon position.
C17aa masteron is “superdrol”. Masteron is 2a methyl dihydrotestosterone, 5a reduced EQ is dihydroboldenone. 2a methyl dihydroboldenone is stenbolone (DHB with methyl group added to the 2nd carbon position). C17aa stenbolone is methylstenbolone.
It’s interesting as to how many of these drugs are closely linked in structure, yet the slightest chemical alterations can dramatically alter potency/pharmacology.
Hell C17aa EQ is dbol
Many say masteron doesn’t build muscle. That isn’t true, the addition of a methyl group at the 2nd carbon position reduces affinity for the 3b-hsd enzyme, which is responsible for breaking down DHT into inactive metabolites within skeletal muscle, hence why DHT isn’t directly anabolic.
Proviron (1a methyl DHT) on the other hand has affinity for the 3b-hsd enzyme and doesn’t build muscle. Primobolan however (1a methyl DHB) acts as an anabolic within skeletal muscle.
I’m not sure one requires good genetics for this since I mostly cycled on and off. Perhaps those who can’t recover have bad genetics. The only research I’ve seen that states otherwise involve people who start using before full brain maturity.
It’s why I try to tell people who are cycling to quit if they’re not serious about pursuing a career in bodybuilding or are just too fucking small to warrant cycling. #stillallfiction
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Wait, or was that a study on malformation of the brain? Can’t remember.
I’ll link literature later. There’s a growing body of evidence indicative former AAS users have significantly lower total and free testosterone + testicular volume as compared to controls.
Some don’t recover at all, AAS induced hypogonadism isn’t an uncommon entity amongst former users.
The potential cardiovascular/neurological ramifications are far more pressing though. I can link literature later if you’d like. You can live with hypogonadism/get on TRT, you can’t live without a heart.
Permenantly stunted cognition is also probably permenant if it does occur. Data regarding AAS/cognition is in its infancy. But numerous mechanisms hypothetically exist as to how AAS could be neurotoxic. It appears 19-nors may be somewhat more culpable than say… testosterone.
I need to carefully word my sentencing here. I know there isn’t a whole lot of data to go on, but from the data that currently exists/new data being released I prefer to err on the side of caution.
I was talking more about piling on charges. I forget what the practice is called, but what happens is that a good attorney will argue them down and have the majority of them dismissed, then start negotiating what, if any, the sentencing will be. A public defender with a high case load will give it a little, but have to move on. The extra charges are like a legal red herring that have actual consequences, which if not addressed, will result in a long/longer sentence.
The sentencing guidelines were created in response to the drugs impact. When crack hit the streets it was an actual blood bath. It literally created a new paradigm in the drug world and how people behaved. This contemporary idea that it unfairly targets minorities is only trotted out by people who don’t remember that or are trying to get one over on others. The drug doesn’t choose who uses it. If a given socio economic group chooses to use it, deal it, create lives and criminal enterprises based on it, that’s their bad choice. Not the laws. You have to look at-who is bringing it in to these neighborhoods? Who is selling it to their neighbors? Who is recruiting kids into their gangs?
That’s who is at fault. The laws are saying (paraphrasing) “Don’t do that!”.
It pretty much is. It’s manufacture and distribution is controlled, legally. Controlled is legal. Lots of drugs are legal. Oxycontin, anabolic steroids, and bunches of others–all perfectly legal to have and use under certain conditions.
Just because it isn’t a decriminalized free-for-all doesn’t mean that its illegal. Hell, if someone is in pain and their doctor determines the necessity one can go to the pharmacy and get fentanyl loli pops. Legally.
I was referring to legalised cannabis in terms of recreational use (i.e a free for all for those above a designated age restriction).
The testosterone/painkillers prescribed to me are legal for me to handle/use as per designated guidelines, and even then I have to be careful if I am to travel out of the house with them.
I apologise for my ignorance. Crack isn’t particuarly prevalent in Australia, cocaine is considered a luxurious item due to the price and is more typically associated with those who have high incomes and/or rich kids and university students. I thought crack cocaine was associated with low socioeconomic demographics as cocaine is expensive and crack cocaine is typically a diluted, more potent, shorter acting, cheaper form of cocaine.
As it’s cheaper, I thought it would be more prevalent in poorer neighbourhoods. Poorer/rural neighbourhoods also tend to have higher rates of substance abuse. As you’ve said “dysfunction begets dysfunction”.
We have a very large, crippling methamphetamine problem in Australia. Certain rural communities have practically been taken hostage from it. It also effects those from middle/upper class neighbourhoods, meth isn’t selective regarding the lives it’ll destroy.
On a use per inhabitant basis methamphetamine does appear to disproportionately effect rural communities and those within lower socioeconomic demographics. I thought crack was similar in this vein.
I did all the cardio checks, bloodwork, full body stuff last year. Everything’s fine.
What happened with deca is that it left me with occasional RLS and a couple of bouts of sleep paralysis due to prolactin issues but only when I’m overworked. I think the neurological effects somehow became permanent despite the absence of high prolactin. Seen lot of doctors and specialists but no one has solved this but it’s not frequent and I’m used to it so I don’t care anymore since it’s been like almost 2 decades.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0018506X16303087
#thisisalladream
#noneofthisisreal
It is, but drug of choice is still a choice. And believe me, middle class and rich people love smoking crack too.
Nobody is out there twisting arms and shoving crack pipes in anybody mouths (eh, maybe sometimes. Who knows? People do fucked up shit) These drugs effects and reputations precede them.
I do find it very interesting that you don’t seem to see these things as bad choices.
Why do you suppose that is?