Karma, no offense intended but I beieve you think a little too much like us guys. Most girls say one thing, but mean another, I cant count the times that I have initially pissed a girl off, her thinking she would have nothing to do with me, then waking up next to her the next morning. Its is about first impressions, as you say, but also what you do after the first impressions. I dont want a girl, I dont feel I need one right now, so come the time when carnal instincts take-over I have learned what I need to do to satisfy 'em. It is all VERY specific to the personality of the gal, but typical young, shallow, good looking GIRLS will hate the asshole at first, but for that 5 minutes that you look into their eyes and spew forth total BS, they will want you all the more for it. Dont ask me why, but from personal experience it works…what would you rather be? The guy that is expected to vaccum the living room, or the guy that gets a blow job for doing it?
Anty16 - I’m not even going to pretend I understand your point about thinking I’m too much like you guys. I am who I am. Period. Ya like it - Cool, let’s drink a beer. Ya don’t - Fuck off.
Yes, many chicks will say one thing and mean another - but only because they have been allowed to by men and encouraged to by women. So many men complain of this female phenomonon, the “No meaning Yes/Yes meaning No” stuff, but they refuse to accept responibility for allowing females to continue with this behaviour. Why do the “nice boys” complain that girls always go for “bad boys”? Because most chicks don’t dig pussies. The pussies parading as men out there that allow females to pull their bullshit are the ones poisoning the pool for the real men. You try calling a chick on her bullshit and not only will you be more likely to get laid but you will also have more strength of character for it.
Seeeee?
[Looks back over his shoulder and raises an eyebrow at all the guys standing there in the bar as he walks out the door with the lady…]
F*K buddy, One night stand, or hell even a month relationship is what im going for.
And don’t think, I havn’t read ALL of your posts, Cuz I have.
Guys, another situation however, Im in high school(not for long , finally)
What do you reccomend for a situation and environment like that?
Ok. I thought I would throw my two cents into this conversation. I am a college student at Tulane (New Orleans) so I have seen some sleazy pick up tactics and basically all of the above. I don’t go out and drink because I prefer getting good sleep and focusing on my bulking cycle…I know I know dorky right?? haha. Anyways the nice guy commented made by Karma really infuriated me. I mean I consider myself a nice guy. I have never used a pick-up line, I don’t go out and get drunk and wait for members of the opposite sex to get drunk so I can talk to them or coerce them into coming back to my room. All of this talk about having personality is what is really important. Karma I really like reading your posts and I have nothing against you, but if you are calling all nice guys pussies then I have a problem with that. Nice guys may finish last in a lot of cases, but at least they aren’t screwing over your daughter, sister, or friend. They are the guys who these women come crying to when the asshole hurts or leaves, and for that alone us nice guys should be given some credit.
Char–see what? I pretty much am in total agreement with Karma. What I meant when I said that you think a lot like us guys (or at least me??) is that you say what you mean, no bullshit, and are upfront, at least thats how I preceive you on this forumn. That is pretty much contrary to most girls I meet nowadays. I am in total agreement that you have to call chicks on their BS, thas what I mean by playing the asshole, I guess its a matter of semantics. Char-dawg as a side note, your in Japan correct? Are the you originally from there, as I was just wondering of the cultural differences in the women. Also, I am not giving advice on how to meet your lifemate/girlfriend or whatever (as I am pretty much a hopeless romantic, and hope that Ill just know who my wife is the first time I lay eyes on her), but I do alright in the one night stand department…
CGB, I really was trying to get others to post not for my benefit, but for the original posters’ desires. I’ve got my ball & chain. 
So what qualifies a man as a pussy? Not acting as the moral police and calling a girl on her cheap tricks? I’m not sure where you draw the line between “bad boys” and “pussies”.
Also, why should a man be responsible for calling a woman out on bullshit tactics? If a real man caught a woman using them, I would certainly hope he’d just move on and not see it as his responsibility to “set the little lady straight”.
The best way to pick up chicks is with the following “line” (some people call it a line, I call it poetry) “Hey bitch, let’s fuck.”
~karma~ I believe that if a chick were to “bone” me, I would reckon she ain’t a chick at all. Unless she has a strap-on, in which case I would ram it up her ass if she tried to use it on me. Perhap she could wrap my soldier in a love tuxedo, but certain she wouldn’t bone me, that would hurt.
Pat, oh Pat - I dig you! 
Good point. Next time I should say “If I’m going to pussy you, then I’ll pussy you.”
JaredNFS - For me: (Male)Pussy = Allowing those little bitches to pull their stupid-ass bullshit games on you because you’re not enough of a man to either walk away OR call them on it since putting up with it is the only way you’re gonna get your dick wet. That’s being a (male) pussy, in my book. No, you don’t need to be the “moral police”. But you do need to have the balls to either stand up for yourself when treated with disrespect - or walk away.
Slider - No, not all “nice guys” are pussies. See above. Unfortunately, in my limited experience, most nice guys are pussies. If you are the exception, congratulations.
Anty16 - As per my PM, I agree. Damn shame too. Also, while you may be a hopeless romantic (which is really sweet), be aware that there are a lot of chicks out there that will take that and twist it into something beneficial for them and harmful for you.
God damn…this has turned into quite the thread to say the least! Many many many good points have been brought to the table by a number of people. I know I probably shouldn’t, but I am going to claim myself as one of those “nice guys”. To me, I don’t think you can find a girl you can date, much less find a soul mate in a bar. But, thats just me! I don’t drink, so going to the bar wouldn’t be the place for me to meet women. I just find drunk girls really annoying anyways. I actually met my ex-girlfriend (we broke up about two months ago)…at the grocery store. She was one of the cashier’s there and I would always go through her line whenever she happened to be working there while I was shopping. Mind you, I would consider myself on the shy side…but I kept going through her line for a good 6 months before I even asked her out! She went to the same college as I did, so every once in awhile I would see her on campus, in the fitness center, or around town. But, the only time I ever really saw her was when I was grocery shopping…haha. Her and I would just briefly talk while I went through the line…and after 6 months…I just said, “the hell with it” and I asked for her number and we started to hang out (as friends). It was probably a good month and half before we even considered ourselves a couple. But we took that month and a half and just got to know each other as friends. We were together for almost two years (like I said, we broke up not too long ago). I guess the whole point to the story is to just be yourself! There is no need to play “the game” and pretend to be someone you’re not. I was just me…and if she didnt like it…then I guess I would have had to move on. But I won her over regardless…(wink). I dont know…maybe I sound stupid…but I just don’t see the reason to use lines or play games. Just be you.
Slider: Unfortunately, nice guys finish last in this game. I don’t drink either, and it has cost me bigtime on the college scene.
On the other hand, after the girls become used up and skanky women, who want to have children (despite the burning sensation while they pee), they’ll look to you to support their ass. Hopefully, the kid will be yours. Does that brighten up your day?
~Karma~ Thanks for clarifying your position to include walking away as a reasonable response to a woman’s bullshit. My x thought that I should keep her in line, which is one of the reason why she’s my x. This isn’t just a female thing, as there are plenty of men who feel the need to be controlled. I think this is what happens when people are looking for mommy or daddy in a relationship. Not very mature.
Vaines - I didn’t realize how young you are at first. For someone your age, antny16 has some good advice. I’m not condoning it, but girls your age are often insecure and unwise. For anyone taking that approach though, be prepared because once women get out of college and into their mid 20’s they are less and less likely to put up with that kind of crap.
I also forgot one impotant piece of advice: buy a motorcycle.
Hey Nephorm. That post was really sad… But I do agree on some level. I think us “nice guys,” need to be more aggressive in other aspects of our life. I mean I understand what Karma is saying about nice guys coming across as pussies, but to me I think being nice does not meam you are NOT hardcore, hot, jacked, a badass etc etc. I mean I am a cocky little shit, so take all of this stuff with a grain of salt. I notice women looking at me when I am drinking a Grow shake walking on campus, asking intelligent questions in class, making members of the opposite sex laugh…The list goes on and on. Do I go to bars and get drunk or even drink? NO! Do I meet interesting people based on other interests? YES! Not to make this argument black and white (i.e. assholes vs. nice guys), but nice guys are only pussies if they believe that bars and clubs are the only place to meet girls/women/ladies/skanks/sluts etc. Anyways I have babbled enough. Also Karma I ran Char-Dawg over in my Harley, so you are all mine baby…
Ya know, everyone is coming up with little formulas, tricks and tips to pick up chicks…why not just go out and have fun? I know it might sound stupid but go out, have a beer (or eight), laugh, talk. HAVE FUN. The girls will come. Then and later that night
Slider, what kind of harley? I am getting a cheap little crotch rocket for the summer, than Im going to sell it before winter hits and use the money to start building my own custom. The Asshole v Nice guy debate will never be solved, it is too much a matter of semantics and definition. As long as a guy doesnt act like a doormat (I can hear a bunch of dudes right now "no not me, I aint whipped, I am a tough guy, she aint got me by the balls) he’ll be okay. But unfortunetly in this day and age almost every guy I meet, who is in a relationship, is one pussywhipped mofo. I have one buddy that is self-medicating because his gal cheated on him, I have another that isnt allowed to go out for a night on the town w/ me unless his g/f is with us, and another that took his girl back after she cheated on him twice, the list goes on.
Im pretty sure as a real t-man whenever one of us goes out for a night on the town we have a good time.
antny16, Sorry man no Harley. I was trying to appeal to Karma’s…hahaha. If I did run over char-Dawg or anyone it would be in a Hummer or a Panzer tank because I would want to make sure I got the job done. hahahha. completely joking, but us t-men are resilient and a Harley probably wouldn’t do it. Ok I am babbling. Take it easy boys and girls.