The Slutwalk

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
A woman accepting money for a sex act is certainly not rape, regardless of her current financial condition. Maybe some of you should familiarize yourselves with the basic elements of rape before you post again:

  1. Force or threat of force.

  2. Sexual contact against the will of the victim.

  3. Consent (for sex)cannot be given (legally) if a person is impaired, intoxicated, drugged, underage, mentally challenged, unconscious, or asleep.

Now if none of these elements are met there is no rape.

End of story.
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  1. and possibly 1. threat of homelessness. Sounds like force to me.[/quote]

No. Why do you keep ignoring my posts, Chris? They are right here with all the others.

2 in no way whatsoever applies because SHE is the one who made the choice to go to the guy in the first place. If the guy didn’t exist she would still end up homeless. Whose fault would it be, then? A non-existent non-rapist’s fault?

And yeah, homelessness sucks, but it is still not as if the old dude willfully set up the situation to ensure that the girl had no other choice.

You really believe this?
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I definitely see your point, but he took advantage of a situation. Clip didn’t say that the lady knew or figured that he’d want sex. Just said she knew he had $500 and she asked him for it. After that he gave the option, sex and $500 or homelessness.

The reason I didn’t address your posts is usually because I scroll down looking for someone that responded to me because jumping into the late into someone’s discussion is a little rude.

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
So I think your scenarios aren’t about rape at all. [/quote]

So you think in the second situations that is not rape? [/quote]

If I remember right the scenario was “have sex with me or I will not let you stay in my house/ you will have to go outside.” If that was the scenario then that is more extortion or prostitution.

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You mean into a blizzard where she has to walk 3 miles with inadequate clothes? Yeah…totally extortion.[/quote]

We have different words to define things, for good reason. I think ZEB defined what ‘rape’ is.

You could erode the credibility of legitimate cries of ‘rape’ by calling prostitution or anything else that is not rape ‘rape’. Evidence of this: Clip11. So think about that

[/quote]

So…possible death vs. having sex isn’t rape?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
A woman accepting money for a sex act is certainly not rape, regardless of her current financial condition. Maybe some of you should familiarize yourselves with the basic elements of rape before you post again:

  1. Force or threat of force.

  2. Sexual contact against the will of the victim.

  3. Consent (for sex)cannot be given (legally) if a person is impaired, intoxicated, drugged, underage, mentally challenged, unconscious, or asleep.

Now if none of these elements are met there is no rape.

End of story.
[/quote]

  1. and possibly 1. threat of homelessness. Sounds like force to me.[/quote]

No. Why do you keep ignoring my posts, Chris? They are right here with all the others.

2 in no way whatsoever applies because SHE is the one who made the choice to go to the guy in the first place. If the guy didn’t exist she would still end up homeless. Whose fault would it be, then? A non-existent non-rapist’s fault?

And yeah, homelessness sucks, but it is still not as if the old dude willfully set up the situation to ensure that the girl had no other choice.

You really believe this?
[/quote]

I definitely see your point, but he took advantage of a situation. Clip didn’t say that the lady knew or figured that he’d want sex. Just said she knew he had $500 and she asked him for it. After that he gave the option, sex and $500 or homelessness.

The reason I didn’t address your posts is usually because I scroll down looking for someone that responded to me because jumping into the late into someone’s discussion is a little rude.[/quote]

Okay. I’m no longer butt-hurt.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
So I think your scenarios aren’t about rape at all. [/quote]

So you think in the second situations that is not rape? [/quote]

If I remember right the scenario was “have sex with me or I will not let you stay in my house/ you will have to go outside.” If that was the scenario then that is more extortion or prostitution.

[/quote]

You mean into a blizzard where she has to walk 3 miles with inadequate clothes? Yeah…totally extortion.[/quote]

We have different words to define things, for good reason. I think ZEB defined what ‘rape’ is.

You could erode the credibility of legitimate cries of ‘rape’ by calling prostitution or anything else that is not rape ‘rape’. Evidence of this: Clip11. So think about that

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So…possible death vs. having sex isn’t rape?[/quote]

I hope you recognise the distinction between ‘failing to save’ / ‘killing’.

If I see you in the road, with a tree fallen on you, and leave you there for whatever reason, that is not murder. It might be bad but it’s not called ‘murder’.

George Bush, if he did indeed fail to give due aid to Katrina victims, did not ‘murder’ them.

Rape is as ZEB defined very effectively, not prostitution or whatever.

Refusing to shelter someone unless they fuck is amoral or whatever, but it is a trade, with agency given to the sex donor (in this case female).

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
A woman accepting money for a sex act is certainly not rape, regardless of her current financial condition. Maybe some of you should familiarize yourselves with the basic elements of rape before you post again:

  1. Force or threat of force.

  2. Sexual contact against the will of the victim.

  3. Consent (for sex)cannot be given (legally) if a person is impaired, intoxicated, drugged, underage, mentally challenged, unconscious, or asleep.

Now if none of these elements are met there is no rape.

End of story.
[/quote]

  1. and possibly 1. threat of homelessness. Sounds like force to me.[/quote]

You are very wrong my friend. The woman entered into a legal agreement when she decided to lease an apartment from the Landlord, just as hundreds of people do each day. When she, of her own free will and volition, decided to sell her body for money to the Landlord that was certainly not rape. And in fact she was committing the crime of prostitution and the Landlord solicitation. Both could have been incarcerated for their actions. But, of course, the issue has nothing to do with rape.

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women that dress like sluts deserve to be critisized. Rape is about a power control issue but when a woman dresses in such a low class manner, they are much more likely to get a negative reaction directed toward them. Sure, many men are attracted to that but there are just as many men that are disgusted by it. and that can many times lead to violence against them. be it rape or some other sort of violence.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
A woman accepting money for a sex act is certainly not rape, regardless of her current financial condition. Maybe some of you should familiarize yourselves with the basic elements of rape before you post again:

  1. Force or threat of force.

  2. Sexual contact against the will of the victim.

  3. Consent (for sex)cannot be given (legally) if a person is impaired, intoxicated, drugged, underage, mentally challenged, unconscious, or asleep.

Now if none of these elements are met there is no rape.

End of story.
[/quote]

  1. and possibly 1. threat of homelessness. Sounds like force to me.[/quote]

By your definition then, a person working a job they don’t like is being held in slavery. Think about it, if they quit their job then they won’t have money then they can’t pay their rent then they’ll be homeless so therefore said worker is being held in slavery. Thats about how much sense you’re making.

No force was applied, she had the choice to accept or reject the money. Although if she accepted HIS MONEY she had to accept on HIS TERMS. Just like to get money from your job you have to accept THEIR MONEY on THEIR TERMS. But you’re free to quit whenever you want. You dont have to worry about the goons coming to get you. The girl was free not to accept the money and thus not have to abide by his terms. Makes sense?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
So I think your scenarios aren’t about rape at all. [/quote]

So you think in the second situations that is not rape? [/quote]

If I remember right the scenario was “have sex with me or I will not let you stay in my house/ you will have to go outside.” If that was the scenario then that is more extortion or prostitution.

[/quote]

You mean into a blizzard where she has to walk 3 miles with inadequate clothes? Yeah…totally extortion.[/quote]

We have different words to define things, for good reason. I think ZEB defined what ‘rape’ is.

You could erode the credibility of legitimate cries of ‘rape’ by calling prostitution or anything else that is not rape ‘rape’. Evidence of this: Clip11. So think about that

[/quote]

So…possible death vs. having sex isn’t rape?[/quote]

So…possible death vs working a job you hate isn’t slavery?

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[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
A woman accepting money for a sex act is certainly not rape, regardless of her current financial condition. Maybe some of you should familiarize yourselves with the basic elements of rape before you post again:

  1. Force or threat of force.

  2. Sexual contact against the will of the victim.

  3. Consent (for sex)cannot be given (legally) if a person is impaired, intoxicated, drugged, underage, mentally challenged, unconscious, or asleep.

Now if none of these elements are met there is no rape.

End of story.
[/quote]

  1. and possibly 1. threat of homelessness. Sounds like force to me.[/quote]

By your definition then, a person working a job they don’t like is being held in slavery. Think about it, if they quit their job then they won’t have money then they can’t pay their rent then they’ll be homeless so therefore said worker is being held in slavery. Thats about how much sense you’re making.

No force was applied, she had the choice to accept or reject the money. Although if she accepted HIS MONEY she had to accept on HIS TERMS. Just like to get money from your job you have to accept THEIR MONEY on THEIR TERMS. But you’re free to quit whenever you want. You dont have to worry about the goons coming to get you. The girl was free not to accept the money and thus not have to abide by his terms. Makes sense?[/quote]

Good analogy. I have another one to demonstrate Chris’s thinking which seems too simplistic:

I have a TV. I have to pay the rent one month, i’m £50 short. I love the tv. It cost £400 when it was new. I go to the pawn shop, who offer me £60 for it. I am forced to accept, to pay the rent. I WAS ROBBED (if you follow Chris’ reduction of complex concepts into the most basic primary ones)

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:
women that dress like sluts deserve to be critisized. Rape is about a power control issue but when a woman dresses in such a low class manner, they are much more likely to get a negative reaction directed toward them. Sure, many men are attracted to that but there are just as many men that are disgusted by it. and that can many times lead to violence against them. be it rape or some other sort of violence. [/quote]

I doubt your tales of an amicable relationship with your ex-wife now.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
A woman accepting money for a sex act is certainly not rape, regardless of her current financial condition. Maybe some of you should familiarize yourselves with the basic elements of rape before you post again:

  1. Force or threat of force.

  2. Sexual contact against the will of the victim.

  3. Consent (for sex)cannot be given (legally) if a person is impaired, intoxicated, drugged, underage, mentally challenged, unconscious, or asleep.

Now if none of these elements are met there is no rape.

End of story.
[/quote]

  1. and possibly 1. threat of homelessness. Sounds like force to me.[/quote]

No. Why do you keep ignoring my posts, Chris? They are right here with all the others.

2 in no way whatsoever applies because SHE is the one who made the choice to go to the guy in the first place. If the guy didn’t exist she would still end up homeless. Whose fault would it be, then? A non-existent non-rapist’s fault?

And yeah, homelessness sucks, but it is still not as if the old dude willfully set up the situation to ensure that the girl had no other choice.

You really believe this?
[/quote]

I definitely see your point, but he took advantage of a situation. Clip didn’t say that the lady knew or figured that he’d want sex. Just said she knew he had $500 and she asked him for it. After that he gave the option, sex and $500 or homelessness.

The reason I didn’t address your posts is usually because I scroll down looking for someone that responded to me because jumping into the late into someone’s discussion is a little rude.[/quote]

Okay. I’m no longer butt-hurt. [/quote]

Yeah, sorry, I didn’t see you as I usually scroll down without looking at the avatars. how you been bub?

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
I hope you recognise the distinction between ‘failing to save’ / ‘killing’.
[/quote]

So, if you take a woman out to your cabin, knowing that there is going to be a blizzard coming and then give the ultimatum that if she doesn’t have sex with you she will have to leave.

You don’t think that is ‘failing to save’? That in most states is murder, sir. Motive, opportunity, and intent.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
A woman accepting money for a sex act is certainly not rape, regardless of her current financial condition. Maybe some of you should familiarize yourselves with the basic elements of rape before you post again:

  1. Force or threat of force.

  2. Sexual contact against the will of the victim.

  3. Consent (for sex)cannot be given (legally) if a person is impaired, intoxicated, drugged, underage, mentally challenged, unconscious, or asleep.

Now if none of these elements are met there is no rape.

End of story.
[/quote]

  1. and possibly 1. threat of homelessness. Sounds like force to me.[/quote]

You are very wrong my friend. The woman entered into a legal agreement when she decided to lease an apartment from the Landlord, just as hundreds of people do each day. When she, of her own free will and volition, decided to sell her body for money to the Landlord that was certainly not rape. And in fact she was committing the crime of prostitution and the Landlord solicitation. Both could have been incarcerated for their actions. But, of course, the issue has nothing to do with rape. [/quote]

So, now this old man is the Landlord? Did anyone actually read what clip wrote?

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Good analogy.[/quote]

That’s not a good analogy.

Clip never said that she went over there expecting to sell her body. She went over their to ask for the money. That is not the same as going to a pawn shop. In a pawn shop you go to sell your TV, this woman didn’t go over there to sell her body, she went to ask for money.

He has a responsibility to women and children. That is all I am saying. If you don’t get that, maybe re-read clips scenario and get some morals.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:
women that dress like sluts deserve to be critisized. Rape is about a power control issue but when a woman dresses in such a low class manner, they are much more likely to get a negative reaction directed toward them. Sure, many men are attracted to that but there are just as many men that are disgusted by it. and that can many times lead to violence against them. be it rape or some other sort of violence. [/quote]

i loved it when you raped my white little ass last night you really showed me, how would you feel if i asked that black guy ive seen at the gym if he wants to join us next time ? X

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Good analogy.[/quote]

That’s not a good analogy.

Clip never said that she went over there expecting to sell her body. She went over their to ask for the money. That is not the same as going to a pawn shop. In a pawn shop you go to sell your TV, this woman didn’t go over there to sell her body, she went to ask for money.

He has a responsibility to women and children. That is all I am saying. If you don’t get that, maybe re-read clips scenario and get some morals.[/quote]

If some random person (man or woman) contacts me asking me for money, the answer will always be no regardless of what they tell me. I have no reason to believe them. Even if they were a loose acquaintance and neighbor I wouldn’t.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Good analogy.[/quote]

That’s not a good analogy.

Clip never said that she went over there expecting to sell her body. She went over their to ask for the money. That is not the same as going to a pawn shop. In a pawn shop you go to sell your TV, this woman didn’t go over there to sell her body, she went to ask for money.

He has a responsibility to women and children. That is all I am saying. If you don’t get that, maybe re-read clips scenario and get some morals.[/quote]

If some random person (man or woman) contacts me asking me for money, the answer will always be no regardless of what they tell me. I have no reason to believe them. Even if they were a loose acquaintance and neighbor I wouldn’t.[/quote]

But, but, but, you have the responsibility to help every stupid trollop who has fucked up her life!

Chaplain Save-a-ho says so.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Good analogy.[/quote]

That’s not a good analogy.

Clip never said that she went over there expecting to sell her body. She went over their to ask for the money. That is not the same as going to a pawn shop. In a pawn shop you go to sell your TV, this woman didn’t go over there to sell her body, she went to ask for money.

He has a responsibility to women and children. That is all I am saying. If you don’t get that, maybe re-read clips scenario and get some morals.[/quote]

If some random person (man or woman) contacts me asking me for money, the answer will always be no regardless of what they tell me. I have no reason to believe them. Even if they were a loose acquaintance and neighbor I wouldn’t.[/quote]

But, but, but, you have the responsibility to help every stupid trollop who has fucked up her life!

Chaplain Save-a-ho says so.

[/quote]

Saying no =/= Suck my dick or no

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Good analogy.[/quote]

That’s not a good analogy.

Clip never said that she went over there expecting to sell her body. She went over their to ask for the money. That is not the same as going to a pawn shop. In a pawn shop you go to sell your TV, this woman didn’t go over there to sell her body, she went to ask for money.

He has a responsibility to women and children. That is all I am saying. If you don’t get that, maybe re-read clips scenario and get some morals.[/quote]

If some random person (man or woman) contacts me asking me for money, the answer will always be no regardless of what they tell me. I have no reason to believe them. Even if they were a loose acquaintance and neighbor I wouldn’t.[/quote]

But, but, but, you have the responsibility to help every stupid trollop who has fucked up her life!

Chaplain Save-a-ho says so.

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Saying no =/= Suck my dick or no[/quote]

I am conceding that he has bad manners.

Better?

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Ok, here is an example from the law of USA:

Does anyone remember the rapper Mystikal? He has just been released from prison.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1629820/mystikal-released-from-prison.jhtml

I don’t want to endorse any crimes. This is just to show how the courts have dealt with a similar case.

He went to prison, after a hairstylist he formerly employed had admittedly stolen $80,000 from him. He gave her an ultimatum: have sex with him and two bodyguards, or they will report her to police. Obviously, you cannot offer these ultimatums legally.

He got a charge of sexual battery and extortion.