The Slutwalk

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

  1. Cute college girl loses her job and can’t pay her rent. Theres an overweight, smelly 60 y/o man that lives across the hall from her and always oogles her that she know has the $500 she needs to pay her rent. She goes and ask him for the money. He knows she has no where to go to get the money and she will be homeless. He says he’ll give her the money…on the condition she has sex with him. She agrees, believing she has no choice. She feels very dirty afterward, and goes home to take a long hot shower. Was she raped?
    [/quote]

Not at all, she’s simply taken up a new profession – Prostitution.[/quote]

Well, Zeb, according to a number of posters here, she has been “raped” and is therefore justified in calling the police on the man across the hall and having him arrested and likely put away for what will amount to the remainder of his life for sex crimes. And she will be perfectly justified in doing so.

Because she was raped.

Did I miss anything? Because nobody ever responded to my post regarding this and chose instead to stick with the low hanging fruit.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

  1. Cute college girl loses her job and can’t pay her rent. Theres an overweight, smelly 60 y/o man that lives across the hall from her and always oogles her that she know has the $500 she needs to pay her rent. She goes and ask him for the money. He knows she has no where to go to get the money and she will be homeless. He says he’ll give her the money…on the condition she has sex with him. She agrees, believing she has no choice. She feels very dirty afterward, and goes home to take a long hot shower. Was she raped?
    [/quote]

Not at all, she’s simply taken up a new profession – Prostitution.[/quote]

Well, Zeb, according to a number of posters here, she has been “raped” and is therefore justified in calling the police on the man across the hall and having him arrested and likely put away for what will amount to the remainder of his life for sex crimes. And she will be perfectly justified in doing so.

Because she was raped.

Did I miss anything? Because nobody ever responded to my post regarding this and chose instead to stick with the low hanging fruit.
[/quote]

Ahhh!! The illogic of political correctness.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

  1. Cute college girl loses her job and can’t pay her rent. Theres an overweight, smelly 60 y/o man that lives across the hall from her and always oogles her that she know has the $500 she needs to pay her rent. She goes and ask him for the money. He knows she has no where to go to get the money and she will be homeless. He says he’ll give her the money…on the condition she has sex with him. She agrees, believing she has no choice. She feels very dirty afterward, and goes home to take a long hot shower. Was she raped?
    [/quote]

Not at all, she’s simply taken up a new profession – Prostitution.[/quote]

Well, Zeb, according to a number of posters here, she has been “raped” and is therefore justified in calling the police on the man across the hall and having him arrested and likely put away for what will amount to the remainder of his life for sex crimes. And she will be perfectly justified in doing so.

Because she was raped.

Did I miss anything? Because nobody ever responded to my post regarding this and chose instead to stick with the low hanging fruit.
[/quote]

It’s times like these which make me very happy that T-Nation isn’t our legislative body.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

  1. Cute college girl loses her job and can’t pay her rent. Theres an overweight, smelly 60 y/o man that lives across the hall from her and always oogles her that she know has the $500 she needs to pay her rent. She goes and ask him for the money. He knows she has no where to go to get the money and she will be homeless. He says he’ll give her the money…on the condition she has sex with him. She agrees, believing she has no choice. She feels very dirty afterward, and goes home to take a long hot shower. Was she raped?
    [/quote]

Not at all, she’s simply taken up a new profession – Prostitution.[/quote]

Well, Zeb, according to a number of posters here, she has been “raped” and is therefore justified in calling the police on the man across the hall and having him arrested and likely put away for what will amount to the remainder of his life for sex crimes. And she will be perfectly justified in doing so.

Because she was raped.

Did I miss anything? Because nobody ever responded to my post regarding this and chose instead to stick with the low hanging fruit.
[/quote]

It’s times like these which make me very happy that T-Nation isn’t our legislative body.[/quote]

Purely to satisfy my curiosity, do you think this forum is better or worse than the average legislative body and how much so?

Think about it and weep.

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Now according to feminist, NOT HAVING SEX with a woman is now rape:

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A woman accepting money for a sex act is certainly not rape, regardless of her current financial condition. Maybe some of you should familiarize yourselves with the basic elements of rape before you post again:

  1. Force or threat of force.

  2. Sexual contact against the will of the victim.

  3. Consent (for sex)cannot be given (legally) if a person is impaired, intoxicated, drugged, underage, mentally challenged, unconscious, or asleep.

Now if none of these elements are met there is no rape.

End of story.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
A woman accepting money for a sex act is certainly not rape, regardless of her current financial condition. Maybe some of you should familiarize yourselves with the basic elements of rape before you post again:

  1. Force or threat of force.

  2. Sexual contact against the will of the victim.

  3. Consent (for sex)cannot be given (legally) if a person is impaired, intoxicated, drugged, underage, mentally challenged, unconscious, or asleep.

Now if none of these elements are met there is no rape.

End of story.
[/quote]

By those definitions, a guy who sleeps with a porker while he’s piss ass drunk and then regrets it afterwards can file rape charges against the woman.

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By the way, by those definitions if both parties are drunk neither can consent so who raped who? Did they rape each other and they should both be prosecuted by a 3rd party?

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
A woman accepting money for a sex act is certainly not rape, regardless of her current financial condition. Maybe some of you should familiarize yourselves with the basic elements of rape before you post again:

  1. Force or threat of force.

  2. Sexual contact against the will of the victim.

  3. Consent (for sex)cannot be given (legally) if a person is impaired, intoxicated, drugged, underage, mentally challenged, unconscious, or asleep.

Now if none of these elements are met there is no rape.

End of story.
[/quote]

By those definitions, a guy who sleeps with a porker while he’s piss ass drunk and then regrets it afterwards can file rape charges against the woman.
[/quote]

Yes, technically that is true. However, two things have to take place. First, the police officer has to believe that a crime was in fact committed and then go forward with the charges. Secondly, if the charges are pressed that doesn’t mean that after a careful review of all of the evidence that a conviction would be forthcoming.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
But what you wont admit is that if the situation were reversed you wouldn’t say the woman should’ve shown temperance.
[/quote]

But, I did. That is what I am talking about, you are not comprehending what I write. That which I write plainly.

How hard is it to understand that people shouldn’t get drunk in public and one should not have premarital sex. It doesn’t say, ‘if you’re a guy’ or ‘if you’re a woman,’ it applies to both.

Those statements apply to both. BOTH.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
Well to sum it up…I only believe rape happens when force or threat of force is used. Under duress, getting drunk on your own, etc etc. is bullshit. Call me all the names you want, I really dont care.[/quote]

But it’s not. Rape is when you have sex with someone without consent by free will. If they do not freely consent to having sex it is rape. Doesn’t matter if force is involved or not.[/quote]

Not to split hairs, but some level of force is required, which I believe coercion fits into.[/quote]

True.[/quote]

Well then it would still not be rape, but where was the coercion in this example?

[/quote]

Because chances are in a situation like the ones he described, the women felt there was no other option. They were coerced into unwillingly giving up their bodies. Were the roles reversed, I would not hesitate in saying the same thing. Those are two very specific situations where I believe it is rape.

Getting drunk and taking a guy home, then crying rape when the beer goggles wear off on the other hand… no, not rape. Pathetic on the guys part if he wasn’t equally drunk, but not rape. [/quote]

What she “feels like” is of no interest to me, it is a safe bet that her judgement is not that good in the first place if she ends up with options like this.

Either she sucks his dick or she sleeps in the next park, it really is entirely up to her and not in the least bit coercive.

[/quote]

This is America, homeless people usually aren’t treated kindly, specially women.

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[quote]dannyrat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
So I think your scenarios aren’t about rape at all. [/quote]

So you think in the second situations that is not rape? [/quote]

If I remember right the scenario was “have sex with me or I will not let you stay in my house/ you will have to go outside.” If that was the scenario then that is more extortion or prostitution.

[/quote]

You mean into a blizzard where she has to walk 3 miles with inadequate clothes? Yeah…totally extortion.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
A woman accepting money for a sex act is certainly not rape, regardless of her current financial condition. Maybe some of you should familiarize yourselves with the basic elements of rape before you post again:

  1. Force or threat of force.

  2. Sexual contact against the will of the victim.

  3. Consent (for sex)cannot be given (legally) if a person is impaired, intoxicated, drugged, underage, mentally challenged, unconscious, or asleep.

Now if none of these elements are met there is no rape.

End of story.
[/quote]

  1. and possibly 1. threat of homelessness. Sounds like force to me.
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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
Well to sum it up…I only believe rape happens when force or threat of force is used. Under duress, getting drunk on your own, etc etc. is bullshit. Call me all the names you want, I really dont care.[/quote]

But it’s not. Rape is when you have sex with someone without consent by free will. If they do not freely consent to having sex it is rape. Doesn’t matter if force is involved or not.[/quote]

Not to split hairs, but some level of force is required, which I believe coercion fits into.[/quote]

True.[/quote]

Well then it would still not be rape, but where was the coercion in this example?

[/quote]

Because chances are in a situation like the ones he described, the women felt there was no other option. They were coerced into unwillingly giving up their bodies. Were the roles reversed, I would not hesitate in saying the same thing. Those are two very specific situations where I believe it is rape.

Getting drunk and taking a guy home, then crying rape when the beer goggles wear off on the other hand… no, not rape. Pathetic on the guys part if he wasn’t equally drunk, but not rape. [/quote]

What she “feels like” is of no interest to me, it is a safe bet that her judgement is not that good in the first place if she ends up with options like this.

Either she sucks his dick or she sleeps in the next park, it really is entirely up to her and not in the least bit coercive.

[/quote]

This is America, homeless people usually aren’t treated kindly, specially women.[/quote]

So?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
Well to sum it up…I only believe rape happens when force or threat of force is used. Under duress, getting drunk on your own, etc etc. is bullshit. Call me all the names you want, I really dont care.[/quote]

But it’s not. Rape is when you have sex with someone without consent by free will. If they do not freely consent to having sex it is rape. Doesn’t matter if force is involved or not.[/quote]

Not to split hairs, but some level of force is required, which I believe coercion fits into.[/quote]

True.[/quote]

Well then it would still not be rape, but where was the coercion in this example?

[/quote]

Because chances are in a situation like the ones he described, the women felt there was no other option. They were coerced into unwillingly giving up their bodies. Were the roles reversed, I would not hesitate in saying the same thing. Those are two very specific situations where I believe it is rape.

Getting drunk and taking a guy home, then crying rape when the beer goggles wear off on the other hand… no, not rape. Pathetic on the guys part if he wasn’t equally drunk, but not rape. [/quote]

What she “feels like” is of no interest to me, it is a safe bet that her judgement is not that good in the first place if she ends up with options like this.

Either she sucks his dick or she sleeps in the next park, it really is entirely up to her and not in the least bit coercive.

[/quote]

This is America, homeless people usually aren’t treated kindly, specially women.[/quote]

You mean, she might get…raped?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
A woman accepting money for a sex act is certainly not rape, regardless of her current financial condition. Maybe some of you should familiarize yourselves with the basic elements of rape before you post again:

  1. Force or threat of force.

  2. Sexual contact against the will of the victim.

  3. Consent (for sex)cannot be given (legally) if a person is impaired, intoxicated, drugged, underage, mentally challenged, unconscious, or asleep.

Now if none of these elements are met there is no rape.

End of story.
[/quote]

  1. and possibly 1. threat of homelessness. Sounds like force to me.[/quote]

No. Why do you keep ignoring my posts, Chris? They are right here with all the others.

2 in no way whatsoever applies because SHE is the one who made the choice to go to the guy in the first place. If the guy didn’t exist she would still end up homeless. Whose fault would it be, then? A non-existent non-rapist’s fault?

And yeah, homelessness sucks, but it is still not as if the old dude willfully set up the situation to ensure that the girl had no other choice.

You really believe this?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
So I think your scenarios aren’t about rape at all. [/quote]

So you think in the second situations that is not rape? [/quote]

If I remember right the scenario was “have sex with me or I will not let you stay in my house/ you will have to go outside.” If that was the scenario then that is more extortion or prostitution.

[/quote]

You mean into a blizzard where she has to walk 3 miles with inadequate clothes? Yeah…totally extortion.[/quote]

We have different words to define things, for good reason. I think ZEB defined what ‘rape’ is.

You could erode the credibility of legitimate cries of ‘rape’ by calling prostitution or anything else that is not rape ‘rape’. Evidence of this: Clip11. So think about that

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
Well to sum it up…I only believe rape happens when force or threat of force is used. Under duress, getting drunk on your own, etc etc. is bullshit. Call me all the names you want, I really dont care.[/quote]

But it’s not. Rape is when you have sex with someone without consent by free will. If they do not freely consent to having sex it is rape. Doesn’t matter if force is involved or not.[/quote]

Not to split hairs, but some level of force is required, which I believe coercion fits into.[/quote]

True.[/quote]

Well then it would still not be rape, but where was the coercion in this example?

[/quote]

Because chances are in a situation like the ones he described, the women felt there was no other option. They were coerced into unwillingly giving up their bodies. Were the roles reversed, I would not hesitate in saying the same thing. Those are two very specific situations where I believe it is rape.

Getting drunk and taking a guy home, then crying rape when the beer goggles wear off on the other hand… no, not rape. Pathetic on the guys part if he wasn’t equally drunk, but not rape. [/quote]

What she “feels like” is of no interest to me, it is a safe bet that her judgement is not that good in the first place if she ends up with options like this.

Either she sucks his dick or she sleeps in the next park, it really is entirely up to her and not in the least bit coercive.

[/quote]

This is America, homeless people usually aren’t treated kindly, specially women.[/quote]

So?[/quote]

I am not a woman, so I try not to speculate, but as a man I’d rather weather three hour walk through a blizzard than be homeless.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
Well to sum it up…I only believe rape happens when force or threat of force is used. Under duress, getting drunk on your own, etc etc. is bullshit. Call me all the names you want, I really dont care.[/quote]

But it’s not. Rape is when you have sex with someone without consent by free will. If they do not freely consent to having sex it is rape. Doesn’t matter if force is involved or not.[/quote]

Not to split hairs, but some level of force is required, which I believe coercion fits into.[/quote]

True.[/quote]

Well then it would still not be rape, but where was the coercion in this example?

[/quote]

Because chances are in a situation like the ones he described, the women felt there was no other option. They were coerced into unwillingly giving up their bodies. Were the roles reversed, I would not hesitate in saying the same thing. Those are two very specific situations where I believe it is rape.

Getting drunk and taking a guy home, then crying rape when the beer goggles wear off on the other hand… no, not rape. Pathetic on the guys part if he wasn’t equally drunk, but not rape. [/quote]

What she “feels like” is of no interest to me, it is a safe bet that her judgement is not that good in the first place if she ends up with options like this.

Either she sucks his dick or she sleeps in the next park, it really is entirely up to her and not in the least bit coercive.

[/quote]

This is America, homeless people usually aren’t treated kindly, specially women.[/quote]

You mean, she might get…raped?
[/quote]

Probably, homeless people get beat up, spit on, pissed on, and all kinds of awesome stuff I have seen in this great bastion of hippie-ness they call Flagstaff.