The Sadness of Welfare

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I know when I was 16, I’d go shovel snow on my own time. One blizzardy day, I made $100 in 2 hours, but it depends on how fast you work too.[/quote]

the reason those “low skill” jobs pay so well is not only because theyre govnt jobs, but because they suck and no one will do them for 8 dollars an hour, private contracting is just soft sweatshops. Shoveling snow 8 hours a day, every day, day after day. This isnt like when you were kids and had no responsibilities.

at the hospital i work at, the people who do the cleaning, trash and sanitary work are contracted out, the part time kids working the gift shop make more than they do per hour. those contracted workers are dealing with staff who wont bother to learn their names, hazmat, and most gross things you can imagine happen in hospitals. no surprise its a revolving door of people who work their, and no surprise that attracts a lot of less than honorable workers, so theft happens, people who dont want to work hard take those jobs and slack off, and could care less about washing their hands and worry about spreading germs to patients. But at the end of the day its cheaper for the hospital.

this is basically why a lot of physical city jobs are paid well and not contracted to private companies.[/quote]

Wait wait wait. You mean paying people decent wages results in better work, less turnover, less theft, and less people on government assistance? That paying shit wages results in shit attitudes and people going on welfare?

How dare you. If businesses pay MOAR they’ll all go out of business, just ask orion![/quote]

Nike treats his American employees very well.

They have a spa and gyms and a plethora of other fringe benefits.

The real production however is done overseas, because it does not pay for them to pamper unskilled laborers.

So yes, for some people it pays to keep them happy, for others it doesnt.

[/quote]

So you’re defending Nike sweatshops? Thats cool. Some people just deserve a spa and gyms and a plethora of fringe benefits, while others work in sweatshops. Nope, nothin wrong with that, just good business.

You defend Nikes unethical actions, yet condemn the unethical actions of those who choose to be on government assistance rather than work. Ironic?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
These low wage jobs that the left seem to complain about are not supposed to be forever. It is not hard to get out of them and on to a better paying job. So all you cry baby liberals will forgive me as I don’t take any of your sob stories seriously.

I make 9.25 an hour working at that evil Wal-Mart, I work 32 hours a week because that is the only job around right now, and I am doing a 15 credit class load.

I pay for my own health insurance through my job, pay my own bills, rent, and food, buy at least 3 ounces of silver a month and have money left over.

So anyone who is down like that is either disabled in which charities will help them, Or they are lazy and have no reason to move up because things like food stamps and rent assistance allows them to stay on the bottom.

Anyone trying to make it out to be more then that is just outright lying.

And low level production needs to be temporary so people entering the workforce actually have a job.[/quote]

On 9.25 an hour? Exactly how much is your rent?[/quote]

After bills, 425. I have a roommate. It is crazy what just a little bit of budgeting can do.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

So you’re defending Nike sweatshops? Thats cool. Some people just deserve a spa and gyms and a plethora of fringe benefits, while others work in sweatshops. Nope, nothin wrong with that, just good business.

You defend Nikes unethical actions, yet condemn the unethical actions of those who choose to be on government assistance rather than work. Ironic?[/quote]

I would say that the shops are better then what they where doing before.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

So you’re defending Nike sweatshops? Thats cool. Some people just deserve a spa and gyms and a plethora of fringe benefits, while others work in sweatshops. Nope, nothin wrong with that, just good business.

You defend Nikes unethical actions, yet condemn the unethical actions of those who choose to be on government assistance rather than work. Ironic?[/quote]

I would say that the shops are better then what they where doing before.[/quote]

What were they doing before?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

So you’re defending Nike sweatshops? Thats cool. Some people just deserve a spa and gyms and a plethora of fringe benefits, while others work in sweatshops. Nope, nothin wrong with that, just good business.

You defend Nikes unethical actions, yet condemn the unethical actions of those who choose to be on government assistance rather than work. Ironic?[/quote]

I would say that the shops are better then what they where doing before.[/quote]

What were they doing before?[/quote]

Subsistence agriculture, crime and prostitution.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I know when I was 16, I’d go shovel snow on my own time. One blizzardy day, I made $100 in 2 hours, but it depends on how fast you work too.[/quote]

the reason those “low skill” jobs pay so well is not only because theyre govnt jobs, but because they suck and no one will do them for 8 dollars an hour, private contracting is just soft sweatshops. Shoveling snow 8 hours a day, every day, day after day. This isnt like when you were kids and had no responsibilities.

at the hospital i work at, the people who do the cleaning, trash and sanitary work are contracted out, the part time kids working the gift shop make more than they do per hour. those contracted workers are dealing with staff who wont bother to learn their names, hazmat, and most gross things you can imagine happen in hospitals. no surprise its a revolving door of people who work their, and no surprise that attracts a lot of less than honorable workers, so theft happens, people who dont want to work hard take those jobs and slack off, and could care less about washing their hands and worry about spreading germs to patients. But at the end of the day its cheaper for the hospital.

this is basically why a lot of physical city jobs are paid well and not contracted to private companies.[/quote]

Wait wait wait. You mean paying people decent wages results in better work, less turnover, less theft, and less people on government assistance? That paying shit wages results in shit attitudes and people going on welfare?

How dare you. If businesses pay MOAR they’ll all go out of business, just ask orion![/quote]

Nike treats his American employees very well.

They have a spa and gyms and a plethora of other fringe benefits.

The real production however is done overseas, because it does not pay for them to pamper unskilled laborers.

So yes, for some people it pays to keep them happy, for others it doesnt.

[/quote]

So you’re defending Nike sweatshops? Thats cool. Some people just deserve a spa and gyms and a plethora of fringe benefits, while others work in sweatshops. Nope, nothin wrong with that, just good business.

You defend Nikes unethical actions, yet condemn the unethical actions of those who choose to be on government assistance rather than work. Ironic?[/quote]

I do not defend them, I praise them.

Also, this has nothing to do with how “deserving” you are, but with how productive you are.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

So you’re defending Nike sweatshops? Thats cool. Some people just deserve a spa and gyms and a plethora of fringe benefits, while others work in sweatshops. Nope, nothin wrong with that, just good business.

You defend Nikes unethical actions, yet condemn the unethical actions of those who choose to be on government assistance rather than work. Ironic?[/quote]

I would say that the shops are better then what they where doing before.[/quote]

What were they doing before?[/quote]

Subsistence agriculture, crime and prostitution.

[/quote]

Oh, what the sweatshop workers were doing before. I thought he meant what Nike was doing before. Mah bad.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I know when I was 16, I’d go shovel snow on my own time. One blizzardy day, I made $100 in 2 hours, but it depends on how fast you work too.[/quote]

the reason those “low skill” jobs pay so well is not only because theyre govnt jobs, but because they suck and no one will do them for 8 dollars an hour, private contracting is just soft sweatshops. Shoveling snow 8 hours a day, every day, day after day. This isnt like when you were kids and had no responsibilities.

at the hospital i work at, the people who do the cleaning, trash and sanitary work are contracted out, the part time kids working the gift shop make more than they do per hour. those contracted workers are dealing with staff who wont bother to learn their names, hazmat, and most gross things you can imagine happen in hospitals. no surprise its a revolving door of people who work their, and no surprise that attracts a lot of less than honorable workers, so theft happens, people who dont want to work hard take those jobs and slack off, and could care less about washing their hands and worry about spreading germs to patients. But at the end of the day its cheaper for the hospital.

this is basically why a lot of physical city jobs are paid well and not contracted to private companies.[/quote]

Wait wait wait. You mean paying people decent wages results in better work, less turnover, less theft, and less people on government assistance? That paying shit wages results in shit attitudes and people going on welfare?

How dare you. If businesses pay MOAR they’ll all go out of business, just ask orion![/quote]

Nike treats his American employees very well.

They have a spa and gyms and a plethora of other fringe benefits.

The real production however is done overseas, because it does not pay for them to pamper unskilled laborers.

So yes, for some people it pays to keep them happy, for others it doesnt.

[/quote]

So you’re defending Nike sweatshops? Thats cool. Some people just deserve a spa and gyms and a plethora of fringe benefits, while others work in sweatshops. Nope, nothin wrong with that, just good business.

You defend Nikes unethical actions, yet condemn the unethical actions of those who choose to be on government assistance rather than work. Ironic?[/quote]

I do not defend them, I praise them.

Also, this has nothing to do with how “deserving” you are, but with how productive you are.

[/quote]

Praise, not defend. Big difference. Somehow?

And, yes, its about entitlement (that evil thing everybody on the right says is the problem with welfare). The folks in America think they’re intitled to luxury funded by other peoples hard work while they remain in poverty.

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So, what we really should do is eliminate any form of government assistance whatsoever. Then, abolish any workplace regulations, including minimum wage, overtime pay, and child labor laws. That way, sweatshops can appear here in america, since sweatshops are “praiseworthy”. The sweatshops can be easily defended, saying that those who work in them would otherwise be doing something much worse.

Of course, having people here in America needing to send their 8 year old to work for ten hours a day to make four dollars (a day, not an hour) might cause a little bit of upsetness. So we’d probably better get rid of that “everybody has the right to own a gun” thing before the poor get all crazy or somethin.

/strawman. haha.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I know when I was 16, I’d go shovel snow on my own time. One blizzardy day, I made $100 in 2 hours, but it depends on how fast you work too.[/quote]

the reason those “low skill” jobs pay so well is not only because theyre govnt jobs, but because they suck and no one will do them for 8 dollars an hour, private contracting is just soft sweatshops. Shoveling snow 8 hours a day, every day, day after day. This isnt like when you were kids and had no responsibilities.

at the hospital i work at, the people who do the cleaning, trash and sanitary work are contracted out, the part time kids working the gift shop make more than they do per hour. those contracted workers are dealing with staff who wont bother to learn their names, hazmat, and most gross things you can imagine happen in hospitals. no surprise its a revolving door of people who work their, and no surprise that attracts a lot of less than honorable workers, so theft happens, people who dont want to work hard take those jobs and slack off, and could care less about washing their hands and worry about spreading germs to patients. But at the end of the day its cheaper for the hospital.

this is basically why a lot of physical city jobs are paid well and not contracted to private companies.[/quote]

Wait wait wait. You mean paying people decent wages results in better work, less turnover, less theft, and less people on government assistance? That paying shit wages results in shit attitudes and people going on welfare?

How dare you. If businesses pay MOAR they’ll all go out of business, just ask orion![/quote]

Nike treats his American employees very well.

They have a spa and gyms and a plethora of other fringe benefits.

The real production however is done overseas, because it does not pay for them to pamper unskilled laborers.

So yes, for some people it pays to keep them happy, for others it doesnt.

[/quote]

So you’re defending Nike sweatshops? Thats cool. Some people just deserve a spa and gyms and a plethora of fringe benefits, while others work in sweatshops. Nope, nothin wrong with that, just good business.

You defend Nikes unethical actions, yet condemn the unethical actions of those who choose to be on government assistance rather than work. Ironic?[/quote]

I do not defend them, I praise them.

Also, this has nothing to do with how “deserving” you are, but with how productive you are.

[/quote]

Praise, not defend. Big difference. Somehow?

And, yes, its about entitlement (that evil thing everybody on the right says is the problem with welfare). The folks in America think they’re intitled to luxury funded by other peoples hard work while they remain in poverty.[/quote]

That is probably true, but since they do not force those Chinese to work at gunpoint the market will take care of that soon enough.

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Er. Entitled. Not intitled. i r god spller.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
On 9.25 an hour? Exactly how much is your rent?[/quote]

After bills, 425. I have a roommate. [u]It is crazy what just a little bit of budgeting can do.[/u][/quote]

^^
This x 1,000,000,000,000

I’d also be willing to place an extremely large wager that he doesn’t have a bunch of kids running around.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
On 9.25 an hour? Exactly how much is your rent?[/quote]

After bills, 425. I have a roommate. [u]It is crazy what just a little bit of budgeting can do.[/u][/quote]

^^
This x 1,000,000,000,000

I’d also be willing to place an extremely large wager that he doesn’t have a bunch of kids running around.[/quote]

After reading through most of what was posted in this thread, I find it funny how no one defending entitlements has really discussed and analyzed the aspect of children . Probably one of the biggest costs a parent can have.
While I can sympathize with people who are in low paying jobs to a degree, it is really difficult to feel sorry for someone who can barely take care of themselves, yet chooses to continue having kids.
THAT is no one’s fault but their OWN.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

After bills, 425. I have a roommate. It is crazy what just a little bit of budgeting can do.[/quote]

Yup. America is crazy with all kinds of people living alone and paying all kinds of money for it.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
On 9.25 an hour? Exactly how much is your rent?[/quote]

After bills, 425. I have a roommate. [u]It is crazy what just a little bit of budgeting can do.[/u][/quote]

^^
This x 1,000,000,000,000

I’d also be willing to place an extremely large wager that he doesn’t have a bunch of kids running around.[/quote]

No kids, I won’t have any kids till after I graduate and have a good job and at least half a years worth of income saved in the bank. But I am just crazy because if/when I have a kid I want to send them to a private school.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]malonetd wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
On 9.25 an hour? Exactly how much is your rent?[/quote]

After bills, 425. I have a roommate. [u]It is crazy what just a little bit of budgeting can do.[/u][/quote]

^^
This x 1,000,000,000,000

I’d also be willing to place an extremely large wager that he doesn’t have a bunch of kids running around.[/quote]

No kids, I won’t have any kids till after I graduate and have a good job and at least half a years worth of income saved in the bank. But I am just crazy because if/when I have a kid I want to send them to a private school.[/quote]

Holy fuck! Look at this! Someone with a plan in life. I bet even if life throws him a curveball – and it will, it happens to us all – he’ll be decently prepared to deal with it.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]malonetd wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
On 9.25 an hour? Exactly how much is your rent?[/quote]

After bills, 425. I have a roommate. [u]It is crazy what just a little bit of budgeting can do.[/u][/quote]

^^
This x 1,000,000,000,000

I’d also be willing to place an extremely large wager that he doesn’t have a bunch of kids running around.[/quote]

No kids, I won’t have any kids till after I graduate and have a good job and at least half a years worth of income saved in the bank. But I am just crazy because if/when I have a kid I want to send them to a private school.[/quote]

Where do you buy your silver?

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

After bills, 425. I have a roommate. It is crazy what just a little bit of budgeting can do.[/quote]

Yup. America is crazy with all kinds of people living alone and paying all kinds of money for it.

[/quote]

Agreed. Familes should still live together. The grandparents can take care of the grandchildren while the parents work, the grandchildren can take care of the grandparents when they get too old. Thousand ways families living together saves money… yet its this huge taboo. I wonder why.

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Yeah, although this obviously isn’t 100%, I’ve noticed that alot of other cultures/ethnic groups the norm is for the kids to stay with the family until they’re able to look after themselves completely/have career/get married/etc, while in North American-born households, it’s like ‘gtfo’, or ‘I’m moving out’.
Just my experience though.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]malonetd wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
On 9.25 an hour? Exactly how much is your rent?[/quote]

After bills, 425. I have a roommate. [u]It is crazy what just a little bit of budgeting can do.[/u][/quote]

^^
This x 1,000,000,000,000

I’d also be willing to place an extremely large wager that he doesn’t have a bunch of kids running around.[/quote]

No kids, I won’t have any kids till after I graduate and have a good job and at least half a years worth of income saved in the bank. But I am just crazy because if/when I have a kid I want to send them to a private school.[/quote]

Where do you buy your silver?[/quote]

Ebay is my prefered place can get some maple leafs for around 30 bucks.